2008 Re: That’s It
posted by on August 21 at 9:11 AM
Annie says: “Let’s all declare war on Joe Lieberman.” Some of us declared war on Lieberman back in 2006:
The money I sent to Lamont was, in my booze- and Catholicism-addled brain, penance for my support for the invasion of Iraq. I couldn’t take back my cheerleading but I could help take out—out of the Senate, at least—one of the biggest backers of the war. But I was also motivated by a loathing of Joe “No Morality Without Religion” Lieberman that predated Iraq. And here’s an interesting detail that I didn’t write about in 2006: When I was raising money for Lamont—selling ITMFA buttons, encouraging “Savage Love” readers to send checks to Lamont—I got a call from a cousin. My cousin is a Democratic activist and campaign consultant, and we had recently met up in DC for drinks. Six months later my cousin was working for Lieberman and my cousin—I’m working to avoid gendered pronouns here—was upset with me. My cousin emailed me again and again to upbraid me for supporting Lamont. Lieberman was a good Democrat, my cousin insisted, and my cousin was annoyed by the raw deal Lieberman was getting from lefty activists, liberal bloggers, and—cruelest blow of all—sex-advice columnists with whom my cousin shared a set of great-grandparents.
Now my cousin—like voters in Connecticut—regrets not supporting Lamont and would like nothing more than to wring Lieberman’s wrinkly neck.
And yet, Dan, you seem to be a big cheerleader for the guy who was dumb enough to pick Joe as his Vice Presidential running mate in 2000.
Where does the “No Morality Without Religion” quote come from. I'd like to see that in full context.
"Now my cousing regrets not supporting Lamont.."
Fucking Christ, maybe if voters actually paid attention they would have voted with the brains and supported the better candidate in the first place. I have zero pity for any voter who makes uninformed choices at the polls (and most of the time uninformed by choice) and whine about it later on.
"But as a vice-presidential candidate [in 2000] he insensitively asserted last year that there could be no morality without religion, a statement he later retracted."
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E05E4D71130F932A3575AC0A9679C8B63
Also, the actual quote:
"In the same speech, Lieberman declared that without the Jewish and Christian traditions, the phrase "all men are created equal" in the Declaration of Independence "could never have been written." In another recent sound bite, Lieberman warned against "indulg[ing] the supposition 'that morality can be maintained without religion.'"
http://www.slate.com/id/89089/
Joe Lieberman apparently has never heard of Plato's Apologia.
When a rich man writes a check to a political candidate, he's declaring war on nothing. He is, in fact, defending our economically polarized status quo, whether he philosophically wants to or not.
You think money can buy off guilt? Man, you really are Catholic. Still, only a complete dumb ass couldn't have seen the whole Iraq debacle coming a million miles away. How ironic that you write advice columns and STILL dispense opinions on paper and on TV as if you had a single ounce of credibility.
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>> Still, only a complete dumb ass couldn't have seen the whole Iraq debacle coming a million miles away.
At exactly what point did you know that Iraq was a debacle?
I opposed it from the first moment I heard of it. (Pre-invasion) I was very naieve - and belived *MY* country should never invade another.
Since then, I've learned my country has invaded and/or interfered with other countries practically since its founding.
I'm not totally excusing Dan's poor judgement back then (nor his unmitigated hatred of all pit bulls), but he was hardly the only one. He LEARNED and changed his mind. If one cannot be forgiven after such a change, then God help us all.
Dan has an admirable sense of observation and applies the knowledge he gains to other situations.
Congratualtions to you, Fruitbasket, if you've never made a mistake - and if you've never attempted to atone. You're one in a zillion.
The appearance of George W. Bush, via birth or whatever other means, natural or unnatural, was already a debacle. Whatever subsequent actions initiated by George W. Bush can only continue to yield negative results. Examples: his years as an "oil man", his failed Congressional run, his stint as owner of a baseball team. As governor for the state of Texas, he was often in the news for his unsuppressed glee when performing his job as a very busy Executioner General. How could anyone have expected the Iraq folly to be anything other than a fiasco on all levels?
I am very sorry to hear that you have relatives from Connecticut. I'm sure that your family was devastated to discover the sad truth that your cousin had Connecticut syndrome.
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