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Wednesday, May 9, 2007

Zoophobia

posted by on May 9 at 12:40 PM

Ah, the Seattle Weekly film section. This week, we have…

Scott Foundas of the LA Weekly on one movie. Ella Taylor, also of the LA Weekly, on two movies. Jessica Grose, a (New-York based?) VVM freelancer, on one movie. J. Hoberman, of the Village Voice, on two movies. Nathan Lee, of the Village Voice, on two movies.

Yet mysteriously, the Seattle Weekly failed to use the admiring, hilarious Village Voice review for Zoo, by Nathan Lee. No, Brian Miller had to step in and share his opinion, which is, apparently, that men who have sex with horses are GAY.

That’s right:

What do we call these men who shun women and obtain sexual gratification in the company of other men? Oh, that’s right, we call them “zoo” (their secretive, whispered contraction of zoophilia), a three-letter epithet that, we’r e instructed, must be redeemed, or at least understood. Because labeling would be wrong, and so would judgment. Devor and Mudede scrupulously avoid judgingóor asking any hard questionsóbecause Zoo is all about tolerance, don’t you see? Parallels must be drawn, and bigots refuted. (The easy-to-loathe, deviant-hating chorus includes Rush Limbaugh and state Sen. Pam Roach.)

Um.

Anyway, Zoo opens this Friday at the Varsity. Congratulations, Charles!

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The only reason you keep pumping ZOO is because of Charles.

Posted by Brian Miller | May 9, 2007 1:08 PM
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And I suppose the only reason it got into Cannes is because of nepotism? And the glowing reviews in ArtForum, Newsweek, LA Times, the Village Voice, and the restójust nepotism?

Come on.

Posted by Brendan Kiley | May 9, 2007 1:19 PM
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Brian, this post is clearly labeled "conflict of interest," and we're not reviewing the film. Our readers are well aware that we're hopelessly conflicted. It's good that you acknowledged that Charles writes for The Stranger, so your readers can recognize the possible conflict too.

Posted by annie | May 9, 2007 1:23 PM
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And don't forget the New York Times review--very positive. I made that happen, pulled lots of strings. Because whatever we want from the NYT, we get.

We're proud of Charles' achievement. Why wouldn't we be?

Posted by Dan Savage | May 9, 2007 1:23 PM
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BTW, the DVD comes out September 18 (see Amazon link below).

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000Q66QFQ/thedigitalbit-20

Posted by elswinger | May 9, 2007 1:34 PM
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There's a lot of pumping going on around here.

Posted by Samoson | May 9, 2007 1:37 PM
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You're a bunch of hypocrites. I don't remember reading anything in the pages of The Stranger about writers and editors from the Seattle Weekly that got their films into Cannes. Why is that?

Posted by Weekly Wars | May 9, 2007 1:54 PM
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By my barometer of arrivedness - a writeup in The Week magazine, Zoo has, indeed, arrived. Congratulations to all concerned, and I'm really looking forward to seeing it. Of course, it's a well-known fact that the editorial boards of The Week and all the publications from whom they compile items are lackeys for the Stranger, so nevermind.

Posted by Levislade | May 9, 2007 1:58 PM
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What about a man who likes to fuck female horses? Is he still gay?

Posted by keshmeshi | May 9, 2007 2:28 PM
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No. That would be perfectly straight.

Posted by Mr. Poe | May 9, 2007 2:34 PM
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Oh gawd a-mitey--don't even tell me you're suggesting that all the New City or whatever-they're-called newspapers should use the same reviewer in all their papers!

It's bad enough that the Village Voice sucks so bad now anyway; do you really think they oughta export that crap all over the country?

Posted by Boomer in NYC | May 9, 2007 3:01 PM
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I found it a little odd too Annie. The Weekly seems very keen on pulling reviews for everything they can. We have press screenings every week and we're told "we saw it". The reviews that appear usually are from the LA Weekly or Village Voice, but suddenly a film that we all know that the response would be "we saw it" and a local review?

I appreciate the need to be accountable to a local audience, I just wish the Weekly would extend that accountability to every film that opens in Seattle.

Posted by Adam | May 9, 2007 3:03 PM
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It doesn't sound like anyone at the Stranger is willing to take any criticism of "Zoo" - what did you expect, five stars, two thumbs up, a standing O? When you make a film, write a book, direct a play, etc., you have to be prepared to accept that some will like it, others will not. I've read on here several times that the Stranger frowns on being self-congratulatory (something to do with Dan Savage's catholic background was mentioned by one of your writers), but c'mon - you can't expect everyone to throw bouquets at you for everything you do, on the clock or off it. Grow up and take it like a man - a horse lovin' man fer christ's sake.

Posted by Roger Ebert | May 9, 2007 3:12 PM
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Hey, Ebert, Brian, and whomever. You can dislike a film or criticize it in a paper if you want. But you have to use concrete reasoning. Rush Limbaugh didn't like the film, either, but his angle was to confuse bestiality with any form of sexuality that isn't confined to straight hetero sex.

Professionalism.

Posted by Billy | May 9, 2007 3:29 PM
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Speaking of "concrete reasoning" (or lack thereof), Brian never said GAY... Annie did. She's doing exactly the thing that she's accusing Brian of: making a biased assumption. Except in Brian's case, he's interpreting a piece of art, one with plenty of room for interpretation. In Annie's, she's taking a statement excerpt and running with it in a way that would make Fox News proud.

Her point is kind of pointless, as is typically the case when The Stranger takes another tiresome, weak-sauce jab at the Weekly.

Posted by he said she said | May 9, 2007 4:01 PM
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I was pleasantly surprised with Zoo, but only because it wasn't what I was expecting to see. I can't comment on whether I thought it was a good doc or not, because frankly, I really don't like documentaries. Reenactment documentaries are somewhat better, though.

Nevertheless I congratulate Charles. A lot of hard work goes into making a film, and it says something about someone who can pull it off without incredible financial help, whether it's good or bad.

Mr. Ebert, let's chat sometime. My aim is ihateRogerEbert. It has been since I was in the 6th grade. Love to catch up with you, especially since you never seem to write movie reviews anymore, would love to know what you think of your guest staff giving almost every movie that comes out 3+ stars. In an odd way, it almost makes me wish you were back. (In top form!)

Posted by Mr. Poe | May 9, 2007 4:04 PM
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Well done, he said she said.

I'm sure it's a fine movie, but I'm so sick and tired of the Stranger's RELENTLESS coverage! Honestly, if Charles worked anywhere else, this film would've been a meager calendar listing. And heaven forbid, if he worked at the Weekly, you'd be slagging it.

Are there any other local films worth mentioning? Apparently not. Don't ask Annie, she's too busy dissecting the Weekly film reviews.

Posted by Cranky | May 9, 2007 4:15 PM
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I read that article. Annie is justified. Anyone can see that Brian Miller was judging the film on the basis that the writers did not condemn their subjects. Thus, in his article, none of the particulars, the cinematography, the acting, the lighting, the story-line, none of it matters, because Charles Mudede decided to investigate the matter, rather than pre-judging it.

What would be the film if Mudede and Devor had done what Miller wanted? They wouldn't even have filmed it where they did. They would have filmed it in Seattle where Mudede lived and thought. They would have had to film Mudede's judgemental thoughts as they floated, cloud-like, out of his remarkable head. Or something like that.

Posted by Billy | May 9, 2007 4:16 PM
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Oh, for the good old days when Annie was giving the Weekly shit for not writing their own film reviews.

Posted by whatever | May 9, 2007 4:23 PM
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mr. poe @16: roger ebert hasn't been writing very many film reviews because he's recovering from complications of thyroid cancer. he did, however, attend at his annual film festival this month despite his inability to speak and far from telegenic appearance. [suntimes]

Posted by josh | May 9, 2007 4:42 PM
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@21

I'm well aware, but thanks.

Posted by Mr. Poe | May 9, 2007 4:48 PM
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he said she said @15:

Um, it looks like you're the one who took an excerpt and ran with it. Did you actually read Brian Miller's review? The closing paragraph goes like this:

"Not that he would ever sleep with those men. Because he wasn't gay, no!, nor were they, nor is that word ever uttered in Zoo. A film that's all about tolerance turns out to be a sterling example of the art of denial."

If you're still confused, let me translate: horse fuckers are fags in denial.

Posted by awkward | May 9, 2007 4:53 PM
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19
I think Annie is giving the weekly shit for not writing their own reviews.

"Scott Foundas of the LA Weekly on one movie. Ella Taylor, also of the LA Weekly, on two movies. Jessica Grose, a (New-York based?) VVM freelancer, on one movie. J. Hoberman, of the Village Voice, on two movies. Nathan Lee, of the Village Voice, on two movies."

It's just that she also giving them shit for the film that they decided to write their own review for. It was a little bit of a surprise don't you think?

Posted by toallparties | May 9, 2007 4:54 PM
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Brendan @2, Not all of the reviews are positively glowing. But of course "Seattle's Only Newspaper" would never reveal that. So could you turn down that nepotism a bit?

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/zoo

Posted by Hype Machine | May 9, 2007 5:53 PM
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Hype Machine@25:

Au contraire: Here's what we actually printed in the newspaper.

Posted by annie | May 9, 2007 6:09 PM
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I can't believe you suckers actually thought I was Roger Ebert. You think a guy like him even knows this spitoon of a site even exists? Hardly; no one here but us lowbrows. Hey at least I admit it.


I stand by what I said before though. And brace yourself; I see some two-star reviews in your future.

Posted by Low Rider | May 9, 2007 6:09 PM
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Very clever, I'll give you a blue star on the forehead for that one. Funny how your quote is " How the hell are we supposed to write about this movie?!", yet you seem to get around that problem week after week here on the slog.

I know, it's not the paper, so anything mentioned here about Zoo doesn't count. So convenient.

Posted by Hype Machine | May 9, 2007 6:36 PM
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Not to belabor the point to death, but what I meant in that context was "how are we supposed to write an objective review of this film?" Clearly, Slog posts about, for example, Zoo getting into Cannes (in which, by the way, I called Manohla Dargis's review in the New York Times a "thrashing"--albeit a respectful one) are news, not a review. We do the same thing when Erica C. Barnett gets awards from the Muni League. And honestly, we would do the same thing for any local film that got into Cannes. I believe we've labeled every Slog post on this subject "conflict of interest." If this isn't the case, feel free to let me know and I'll edit it.

Posted by annie | May 9, 2007 9:09 PM
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@27

I don't think anybody actually thought it was Roger Ebert.

I also doubt anybody believes Brian Miller was here. (First comment? Yeah right. Not unless he spends the bulk of his day refreshing SLOG to see if his name is ever mentioned...oh)

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