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Saturday, February 24, 2007

ECB’s Going to Love This

posted by on February 24 at 20:23 PM

Sorority at university in Indiana chucks out every overweight member, along with every non-white member. From the New York Times:

Worried [about] a decline in membership that had left its Greek-columned house here half empty, Delta Zeta’s national officers interviewed 35 DePauw members in November, quizzing them about their dedication to recruitment. They judged 23 of the women insufficiently committed and later told them to vacate the sorority house.

The 23 members included every woman who was overweight. They also included the only black, Korean and Vietnamese members. The dozen students allowed to stay were slender and popular with fraternity men—conventionally pretty women the sorority hoped could attract new recruits. Six of the 12 were so infuriated they quit.

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So they're worried about declining membership numbers...but would rather have no members than fat or non-white members? Well, I can't pretend that sororities ever made sense to me, anyway.

Posted by Joey The Girl | February 24, 2007 8:36 PM

I'm not sure whether it has any bearing on this story, but one of DePauw University's most (in)famous alumni is Dan Quayle.

Posted by R | February 24, 2007 8:59 PM

Ironically, another DZ chapter also made the news last week after their house was searched by police, who found some cocaine on one of their members.

Posted by mrscake | February 24, 2007 9:22 PM

Meh. I honestly can't conceive of how people could honestly be shocked - shocked! - that a Greek organization was headed by superficial bigots. Did y'all never go to college?

Posted by tsm | February 24, 2007 9:42 PM

What about the girls with glasses? Were they booted too?

Posted by Gitai | February 24, 2007 9:52 PM

Overweight by Indiana standards or overweight? I could well understand the shock of a national sorority representative encountering the reality of midwestern girth.
What I remember from my years in Indiana was a few stunning farmboy types who had a certain air of tragedy about them because you realized that they would almost certainly not carry back bright to it's coiner the mintage of man. Then there were the malls, with their herds of buffalo sized humans (walking slightly more upright than buffalo), ruminating fried foods in food courts paved in tiles that carried the perpetual patina of oxidized greases.
I propose that we simply blow up Indiana, with the exception of cities with *bloom* in them - in honor of James Joyce and the flowers that do it in the spring, tra-la.
(I hate being sick on Saturdays btw.)

Posted by kinaidos | February 24, 2007 10:18 PM

The best biodiesel comes from liposuctive morsels.

Posted by rodrigo | February 24, 2007 11:05 PM

Thats just fucked up. Yet another reason the greek system should be abolished, artificially constructed state sponsored (or in this case school) social hierarchies are inherently unfair in my humble opinion. That, and I have never been in a frat that smelled right.

Posted by brandon H | February 25, 2007 12:49 AM

frat boy crotch has always smelled just fine

whifing was my past time

the frat boys were too cool to ever say no

of course, mom nature sets them up with sex drives that are on fire

as to the women, this kinda shit is not cool

and #6, above, you are a foolish idiot, and I bet butt ugly to boot. ugly people are the first to mock the slightest cosmetic flaw in others. defensive deflection. find a fat girl at random and apoligise profusely - your karma is shit

Posted by Grunfeld | February 25, 2007 5:10 AM

Indiana is one of the most Republican states in our great nation.

Why aren't they encouraging all those fraternity 'men' to Man Up and volunteer for military service in the Global War on Terrorism?

Posted by Operation Yellow Elephant | February 25, 2007 6:42 AM

gee, when does this news make it national, with the corresponding republican talking heads all in unison bobbling their heads and saying it's free speech and and it's a free country, and why do you HATE AMERICA by opposing THIS???!?!?!?

Posted by lyle | February 25, 2007 8:16 AM

If memory serves, when I was in college, the DZ's were usually some of the prettiest girls on my campus, but also the most plastic and aloof. (Which didn't matter because I was a GDI (living off-campus) by then and thus an untouchable to the Greek system in general.)

The Greek system is much larger and widespread than people realize, I think (Cal-Berkley and Michigan still have the two largest Greek systems in the US, for example), and it's often an excuse to avoid dealing with the larger world, or on terms that include such a filter from reality such that you can graduate still clueless about the larger world beyond the tip of your nose. Realize that the Greek system was created in part to physically create protective groups for men entering college after the immediate post-Civil War cohort arrived and proceeded to terrorize their younger fellow students. (Of course, like the "wilding" phenominon of yore, how accurate that concern was is open to question.)

Combine that with the sons and daughters of small-time and higher movers and shakers often living there, and you have situations like at the University of Alabama, where a black woman tried twice to get into the sorority system in the late 1990s and failed. Though she met all the qualifications they demanded and was stunning to look at, and while race was probably a factor, the other side of that coin was that she didn't come from one of the families that feel that certain sense of petty noblesse-oiblige; that they control how their community or state is ultimately run.

And I suspect the ones kicked out of DePauw fell as much into that last category as well.

My two bits...

Posted by palamedes | February 25, 2007 8:33 AM

Though utterly repugnant, this does not really surprise me all that much. That kind of shit is all too common, and is why I refused to have anything to do with the entire Greek system when I was in college. It does nothing but breed a loathsome sense of superiority and entitlement.

Posted by SDA in SEA | February 25, 2007 8:35 AM

For everyone who wants to know how overweight is overweight, they can take a look at the picture. It looks like the biggest women are about a size 14. Not that that is what really makes.

The bright sunny spot is that of the 12 women who were chosen to stay 6 of them left. One of the six is leading a protest. Now that is sisterhood.

Posted by Papayas | February 25, 2007 9:10 AM

somebody remind me - why would anybody want to be in a sorority?

i'm serious, i don't see the draw.

not that were the height of sophistication or anything, but here in wisconsin, they're sort of laughed at.

Posted by gforce | February 25, 2007 9:21 AM

A guaranteed social network is a very comforting thing - it triggers the tribe instinct.

Posted by Noink | February 25, 2007 9:44 AM

ECB is also gonna love this:
On Robert Mak's Meet the Pressesque show this morning, Licata cited city studies which found that pollution would be WORSE with a surface/transit option because of congestion and tailpipe emissions. Ooops.

Posted by ECB loves TREES | February 25, 2007 9:55 AM

Thanks 17, been looking for that.

Posted by rodrigo | February 25, 2007 10:05 AM

I would like to think the Sorority would still kick ECB out just for being a pretentious pseudo intellectual, not being overweight or of color.

Posted by StrangerDanger | February 25, 2007 10:32 AM

Stranger Ranger - do you work with her and no guts to use your real name?

Is this sorority home based in Medina?

I was in the closet in college and the thought of bunking with all that lovely pussy and not touching was too much to bear.

Today, I would come out in high school and harvest bunk by bunk in college. Spice up the college years a lot.

Posted by celisea | February 25, 2007 11:15 AM


ah, the tribe instinct. i hadn't considered that.

i guess i don't want to believe that so many young people choose to be in a "tribe" with a bunch of shallow meanies. i prefer my fantasy world, where people roll with their own nice and interesting friends. that they didn't pay to get.

it makes me wonder if a sorority whittling down its members is really such a big deal. yes, it's unfair, of course, but it's also kind of how the world works. most companies can fire you for "not fitting in," and they have the right to do it, thanks to at-will employment.

yes, smart and interesting women were kicked out of a sorority. but what was the sorority doing that was so important? maybe, probably, they're a bunch of dummies who don't deserve independent, thinking people in their ranks. it makes me kind of sad to see young women fighting to belong to such a stupid system. they have all this drive, can't they fight for something worthwhile?

Posted by gforce | February 25, 2007 1:01 PM

I think the housing costs for a sorority or frat member is often noticeably less than comparable housing in the surrounding area.

I know that was a BIG motivator for a friend of mine who joined a sorority after she got in to UC Berkeley.

Posted by mirror | February 25, 2007 1:50 PM

Sometimes housing is cheaper, but not always. Sorority houses are almost always nicer than the typical student apartments available, though, so that could be a draw.

I see the attraction of a built-in social circle, especially for freshmen students, but I never liked the form it takes in sororities/fraternities. I went to college in the UK, and liked their system much better. Everyone is placed in a hall, where you not only live but also eat and have parties, plus you play on sports teams with others from your hall, and various other social things. You can make friends outside of your hall easily enough at classes, clubs, etc., but you've still got a whole network of people right there from the beginning. Plus, the halls are big enough that you'll find people you like, but small enough that you'll know basically everyone.

Makes a big university more manageable, and there's enough diversity that you don't get a dozen thin white girls wearing Uggs as your entire social circle.

Posted by Megan | February 25, 2007 3:14 PM

I don't get it. Was ECB in a sorority in college or something?

JK, obviously. I hope those fat cunts learned a lesson. Buying your friends usually leads to realizing they aren't really friends. I knew that without ever getting kicked out of some dumb club.

Or, like Groucho said, "I'd never belong to any club that would have me." Or something like that.

Posted by Mike in MO | February 25, 2007 3:44 PM

Check out Townes Van Zandt's song Fraternity Blues for a good take on the Greek system. But, hey, Cheers for the 6 who left afterwards. Maybe they realized how shallow the Greek system was.

Posted by hattio | February 25, 2007 4:21 PM

When someone says they joined a sorority/fraternity for the cheaper housing, I know they're lying and are embarrassed to admit that they wouldn't to be in a frat/sorority.

Yes, the housing is cheaper but you also spend thousands of dollars a year to belong to a house, there's no way it nets out cheaper.

Especially when you consider that you've basically agreed to spend every waking moment with the people in your house, no one gives up their social life to save $200/month on rent.

Posted by they'relying | February 25, 2007 7:28 PM

I'm impressed with the six "pretty girls" who had the guts and integrity to quit.

Here's my full disclosure: I was in a frat in college. I quit because of - and this is the God's honest truth - a really ugly incident involving some drunk "brothers" and some overweight girls who were just innocently walking by the house. I didn't want to be associated with any group that behaved that way.

None of my "brothers" could believe it, and I was cut off from my my social circle. But it was the best thing that ever happened to me.

Posted by catalina vel-duray | February 25, 2007 9:57 PM

#4, FYI, there are Universities that do not have Greeks. I went to one of them. Of course, I also commuted from my folks' place (I paid tuition, books, fees, etc, parents provided room & board if I lived at home) and so missed out on the so-called joys of dorm life.

Posted by JenK | February 26, 2007 2:05 PM

I never wanted to be a soror, and I was so independent that I refuse to use GDI because it just looks too wannabe. The rush advert book was page after page of the girls I avoided in hs, so why woud I want to play??


A dear friend of mine got sisterhood and and support et al out of her sorority, not unlike the building experience I got from Girl Scouts.

I remain mostly neutral- like the group, hate the trappings.

Posted by Cat | February 27, 2007 10:08 AM

Can someone tell me why sororities implode like this all the time? It would seem like the idea of "sisterhood" would extent to all members of the group, y'know, like "brotherhood" in a fraternity. Both sororities and fraternities have the same overarching concept: a tight-knit group of people who have been initiated in a series of debilitating fashions into a semi-egalitarian tribal network. So why do they behave so differently?

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