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Wednesday, July 26, 2006

More Nickels Pro-Tunnel Campaign Propaganda

Posted by on July 26 at 12:58 PM

This morning, Mayor Greg Nickels announced the “city’s vision” for Seattle’s downtown waterfront. That “vision,” the product of months of taxpayer-funded work by the city’s Department of Planning and Development (which answers to the mayor), assumes—surprise!— a decision by the city (or voters) to replace the Alaskan Way Viaduct with a cut-and-cover tunnel. In other words, Nickels’s propaganda piece assumes the existence of a waterfront tunnel as a way of selling it to voters, who have so far been skeptical, at best, about Nickels’s as-yet-unfunded $4-billion-plus tunnel. (Support for replacing the viaduct with another viaduct, meanwhile, remains high.)

But never mind reality; the mayor’s waterfront “vision” is pure politics. According to the web site unveiled by the mayor this morning, building the tunnel “is a once in a life time opportunity to reshape the city. The Waterfront Plan represents the City’s greatest aspiration to seize this extraordinary opportunity…. It is a project that will define the city for the next 100 years and one by which it will be measured in history.”

Good lord. Well, if I’d known that a waterfront Seattle citizens barely use would define the city for all of history, I would have supported the tunnel all along. The site continues floridly:

Removal of the Alaskan Way Viaduct presents an unprecedented opportunity for creating a grand pedestrian promenade along the Waterfront and lively east-west connections for walking and bicycling to and from the Center City core. Walking is a healthy, sustainable, and enlivening urban experience and the Waterfront provides an exceptional opportunity for people to enjoy this activity.

Walking is healthy? Now that’s exactly the kind of information I rely on Mayor Nickels to tell me.

Elsewhere in the mayor’s presentation are photos showing what other cities have done after tearing down waterfront freeways. Among the cities featured are Melbourne, Sydney, Vancouver, Chicago, Portland, and NYC. What the presentation doesn’t mention is that in almost every case Nickels’s presentation cites, the cities tore down waterfront freeways and did not replace them—making the case against Nickels’s costly cut-and-cover tunnel and for the more sensible surface/transit option.

The mayor’s campaign for his controversial tunnel has become increasingly brazen over the last few months, as the line between Greg Nickels, Seattle mayor, and Greg Nickels, spokesperson for Citizens for a Better Waterfront, has blurred. Citizens, the Ethics and Elections-sanctioned front for Nickels’s tunnel campaign, has raised about $40,000 so far, much of it from the Downtown Seattle Association, the Holland America cruise line, and the Seattle Mariners.

So far, the pro-tunnel folks have spent the overwhelming majority of their money on three things: Polls, focus groups, and fundraising for more money. Nickels’s pollster, Don McDonough, wouldn’t say much what the focus groups and polls revealed, but given the difficulty Nickels has had separating his campaign activities from his official business, it wouldn’t be surprising at all to see some of those poll results morph into official Nickels sound bites in the near future.


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So is Nickels basically asking us to finance a $10 billion walking track so he can lose a little weight?

And keep it off, Fnarf. Keeping the weight off, that's the real goal.

TUNNEL BOOSTERS WRITE:
"...It is a project that will define the city for the next 100 years and one by which it will be measured in history.”

COMMENT:
If Nickels only had been Mayor in 1906 ago, imagine the 100-year horse and buggy technology we'd have been measured by.

I would love to see what we as a city have to give up to pay for this damn thing compared to the better PWC plan.

The entire green line monorail + modern public schools + better bus service + lightrail to northgate.....

Ugh. What a joke.

oh come on, don't you want to spend ten times what the monorail green line would have cost for exactly ZERO extra road capacity and some BONUS TOLLS you don't have to pay for any other option?

in the end, it all comes down to cost - you either get one of the other options and pay no extra taxes - or you swallow the underwater tunnel line and pay lots and lots of money for the next 30 years and are unable to pay for any new downtown capacity as a result.

which will it be?

Oh, for fuck's sake, people. No matter how pissy you are that your toy public transit boondoggle was killed, that's no reason to fight one of the most significant aesthetic improvements that this city has seen in decades.

Piss, moan and gripe all you want, but you aren't getting rid of SR99. People use it. Businesses use it. And even though the world looks very neat and tidy from the top of Capitol Hill, you might just have to face up to the fact that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Sometimes, I wonder how a "world class" city ever managed to build such an ugly, loud, disgusting cold-war monstrosity on their waterfront. But then, I listen to the rest of you, and I understand: the Seattle Way (tm) will never allow for the improvement of urban infrastructure, if there's a way to save a few bucks by making everything louder, uglier and less convenient.

As far as I can tell, the only thing that Nickels is doing incorrectly, is that he's not marginalizing the rest of you, so that you have no influence over the decision-making process of adults.

Could it be possible that the waterfront isn't used heavily because there is a giant ugly viaduct in the way. I'm not saying I support a tunnel but another viaduct is a horrible idea. Why not create an area full of interesting retail space and parks that would draw people to it instead of being another avoided eye-sore?

I think it's the lack of trolley streetcars - when we built those 100 years ago, they were supposed to define the waterfront and show how advanced we were.

they were elevated, too.

just think how they reduced the horse poop on the waterfront!

Jesse: Could it be possible that the waterfront isn't used heavily because there is a giant ugly viaduct in the way. I'm not saying I support a tunnel but another viaduct is a horrible idea.

Jesse, you're on to the essential point here for the environmentalist/transit/density crowd. The focus should be on opening the waterfront and preventing another viaduct from being built more than precisely how. Once you get the new viaduct option completely off the table, you can consider tunnel or surface route or even (a compromise of sorts) a tunnel with fewer lanes.

The sad thing is that we've seen just this kind of infighting with light rail vs. monorail. Makes it very easy for the roads/sprawl crowd to divide and conquer.

A Nony Mouse --

so you think the tunnel is worth what it will cost? after all the cost overruns?

Would you be willing to pay $5 a trip? Because that is about what this plan is going to cost in the best case scenario.

If SR99 drivers are willing to pay that toll, I say give them a tunnel. Downtown condo and apartment owners willing to pick up the leftover costs? Great! Tunnel it is!

If the rest of the city is going to pay for this, out of the already stretched general budget, causing school closings, curtailed bus service, AND higher taxes, I say shove off.

Regarless of what choice is built, the thing is coming down, and all of those SR99 drivers and buisiness users are going to find alternatives during the long long construction. Why can't that be the permanent state, and let the rest of us put money into a more rational use...

Oh, and exactly how is a tunnel "green"?

Look, both the underwater tunnel AND the elevated viaduct (cheaper) involve the EXACT SAME number of lanes, the exact same amount of trucks and bus and SUVs and cars, the exact SAME amount of pollution.

Ain't no difference greenwise between either. You can put a two-way streetcar lane under the elevated viaduct for the same as a surface lid on an underwater tunnel, and you won't have to replace it in 2050 when sea level is a few meters higher. Heck, it will be covered then, and you can walk rain-free under it ... or wait for the streetcar without being drenched.

Let's get real - the only GREEN option is actually the Surface Plus Transit option, but the state killed that option.

If the choice is a waterfront for cruise ship tourists or a vital transportation corridor for 80,000 West Seattleites and a similar number of NW Seattle residents, I'll take the transportation corridor, thanks (as over 100,000 vehicles per day now do).

You know what is super fun about a big elevated viaduct? Walking or driving under it when, cement, railings, hubcaps and those little traffic dots on the road come flying off. And if you want to build something, start a business or live by it you could get broken windows from rocks kicked up by tires, TOTALLY FREE! It's also really cool how a block or two in any direction it is so loud it's like you are standing right next to the ocean. It's kinda like an urban vacation! I really don't know why more people don't hang out down there as it is. And how about those views? I sure do love to gaze at the scenic sound while driving 55 mph around tight curves.
Screw a tunnel, the viaduct is AWESOME!

Critics of the viaduct were crushed (figuratively) when no portion of the structure fell during or after the Nisqually earthquake. Fortunately for them, someone claimed a few weeks later to have been miraculously MISSED by a piece of rebar that fell off the bottom of the viaduct. Can anyone cite one person or object of value that has actually been injured or dented by a falling piece of the viaduct? I can't.

Please tell me that someone else finds it amusing/annoying and maybe *just a little* hypocritical that Erica constantly accuses the mayor of propaganda re: the viaduct while openly and dishonestly advocating for another alternative herself.

My favorite in this article is "in almost every case Nickels’s presentation cites, the cities tore down waterfront freeways and did not replace them." Now, this is true in Portland and NYC. But it's not true in Vancouver, Sydney, Melbourne, or Chicago. 33% is less than "almost every case." Melbourne and Sydney actually built new roadway tunnels recently. But Erica didn't want to tell you that. Or didn't bother to investigate.

Two words: Big Dig.

Read the history; gird your grits.

"The Big Dig is the most expensive Highway project in America.[1] Although the project was estimated at $2.5 billion in 1985, when the last major highway section opened in December 2003, over $14.6 billion had been spent in federal and state tax dollars as of 2006."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_dig

Humorous that Nickels (Trillion Nickels) proposes this solution ... but we can't affort the monorail. We need to ship him back to Green Acres or Pettycoat Junction or wherever.

Uh, smarm, that was a part of an expansion joint that fell from the vidauct, not a piece of rebar. Not that it matters, the results would be the same.

I walk or cycle the waterfront every day. There were three joints that clanged every time something drove over them. It was obvious they were loose and needed fixing, but even after a lot of complaints, nothing was done until "someone claimed a few weeks later to have been miraculously MISSED by a piece of rebar that fell off the bottom of the viaduct."

You might change your perspective if you actually ever went to the waterfront. The real miracle is that after the incident you are disparaging, all three joints were fixed before they killed or injured anyone.

If you think a piece of metal falling three stories is OK as long as it is just rebar, then I encourage you to try it yourself on your own head.

Erica asserts that "Seattle citizens barely use" the waterfront. Duh. It is an embarassment.

Arf -

Do tell more about the rebar or expansion joint that failed to leave reasonable evidence of having fallen. Surely someone like you who walks or bikes the waterfront everyday is an automatic world class structural engineer and saw the entire episode you mention. And surely you'll want to kick in a few thousand dollar to make the waterfront more to your personal liking. Yes?

Skip,

I don't have to be a fireman to know what a fire is.

I'm not sure why it has become a myth that a four foot piece of an expansion joint fell. Why don't you prove it never happened since you seem so sincere in your certainty.

I do know that the three loose joints no longer clang. I wonder why? Unlike you, I don't reject everything I have not personally witnessed.

Since I never made any assertions about what I personally would like to see, I reject your lame straw man.

What a moron. So, you don't need to see or prove your own claims, but it's my personal duty to disprove them? How very convenient for you.

I understand that you're into humping sheep. Do I need to back up this accusation with evidence? Of course not. It is now your responsibility to disprove the claim.

Perhaps a four foot section of T-bar will fall on your head some day. I doubt you will believe it happened, since you are unlikey to see it coming.

I think that the Alaskan Way Viaduct should be torn town, and not rebuilt. It is an eyesore. It should simply revert to being a surface street, which would save a lot of money compared to rebuilding the viaduct, or building the tunnel. Anyone familiar with the fiasco with the "Big Dig" in Boston?

When the Embarcadero in San Francisco was torn down after the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake, it was not rebuilt. Tourism revenue increased, in no small part due to the vastly improved aesthetics of the waterfront.

Seattle should follow San Francisco's lead and make the downtown waterfront a place that's easy on the eyes.

We can learn a great deal from San Francisco's courage, as well as Boston's shortsightedness.

Just in case there's been confusion:
Waterfront: nobody uses it cus of the Viaduct
Viaduct: whatever happened last time, it's gonna be worse next time.
Tunnel: cost=two monorails, assuming it comes in on budget which it won't.
Roads=pollution+arab oil+blood of foreigeners

Clearly 0 of the options availible are acceptable, so we just have to try and throw a monkey wrench in the process long enough for an earthquake to knock down the viaduct and solve the problem for us.

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