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Wednesday, January 2, 2008

Rape Me, Father! Rape Me!

posted by on January 2 at 13:16 PM

A Roman Catholic bishop in Spain is in trouble for… well, this:

There is outrage in parts of Spanish society following declarations made over Christmas from the Bishop of Tenerife, Bernardo Álvarez.

His comments were that there are youngsters who want to be abused, and he compared that abuse to homosexuality, describing them both as prejudicial to society. He said that on occasions the abuse happened because the there are children who consent to it. “There are 13 year old adolescents who are under age and who are perfectly in agreement with, and what’s more wanting it, and if you are careless they will even provoke you,” he said.

So. Abuse happens because 13 year-olds want it, provoke it, and cruelly take advantage of careless, sweaty, old Catholic prelates. If only Catholic parents could keep their children under control, the Catholic Church wouldn’t be making huge cash settlements with so many so-called abuse “victims.”

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Oh, Humbert Humbert.

Posted by johnnie | January 2, 2008 1:26 PM

I don't think it's completely untrue.

But somebody has to be the adult and do the responsible thing. It might as well be the adult and not the kid.

Posted by monkey | January 2, 2008 1:26 PM

@1 ftw.

Posted by greg | January 2, 2008 1:31 PM

And if the kid doesn't wash his face in the morning, he's in LOVE! What a wonderful world. . .

Posted by violet_dagrinder | January 2, 2008 1:34 PM

Dollars to donuts this guy is speaking from experience.

Posted by oljb | January 2, 2008 1:37 PM

@2 maybe so. a 13 year old might want sex with someone, maybe an adult. that is abuse, so, yes, the adult needs to do whats right. but it is difficult to understand exactly what this priest meant... and coming from the catholic church it is a bit... questionable. still, is there even no discussion on it? no one wants real abuse, certainly not 13 year olds.

Posted by infrequent | January 2, 2008 1:42 PM

"Rape me Rape me" Gee, one of the guys I slept with Monday night said that and his BF said that he says that all the time. Interesting....

Posted by Cato the Younger Younger | January 2, 2008 1:52 PM

The only time I've ever uttered the words, "rape me" is when I was singing along with my favorite Nirvana song.

Posted by Mike in MO | January 2, 2008 1:56 PM

That is the problem with abusers they believe some kids want it and they do not believe they are doing anything wrong. They believe they are comforters! That is the tricky thing about abuse, in the moment the victim may think it does feels good and the abuser is in heaven.
The consequences come later when the child feels trapped, confused and gets really messed up psychology.

This is the argument child molesters are going to try to use to make themselves sound like really good people. They claim the child asked for it.
I think it is very important to acknowledge that some kids may be very open to being abused, they may say it felt good but that does not make the argument right in any way. They are children under the protection of their parents and the law and adults have no right to sexually abuse a child.

These guys are so sick that the only reasonable option is to lock them up and keep them away from children.
It is an area I have little mercy in but I’m refraining from saying things like, hang the guy from his balls and hit him like a piñata until he is dead. Those kinds of things tend to provoke some people to get really angry or call me an overly moralistic nerd.
So I will just say lock him up and throw away the key. That is a nicer option.

Posted by mj | January 2, 2008 1:57 PM

well put, @9.

Posted by infrequent | January 2, 2008 2:02 PM

hey, leave the nice Catholic bishop alone; he knows what he's talking about.

The Catholic Church has been in the business of raping people for 2000 years, in some form or the other, (spiritually, financially and/or sexually) so we should consider them experts in the field.

Posted by michael strangeways | January 2, 2008 2:04 PM

Catholic officials should really check out The Onion before they open their mouths.

Posted by Gitai | January 2, 2008 2:50 PM


Right on. I'll add that it's often impossible to determine consent when children have sex with adults. Not all child rape is forcible rape, many times kids will just go along with whatever an abuser tells them to do because they're scared or because it doesn't even occur to them that it's ok to say no.

Posted by keshmeshi | January 2, 2008 3:42 PM


Is that article a joke? If not......WHAT THE HELL? 5 - 15 year old boys are FORGIVEN, by the Pope, of seducing grown Catholic Priests???

I know! When the OH SO INNOCENT Priest's are propositioned by an 8 year old boy, the Priest can pass him on to one of his NAMBLA member pals who will be happy to be seduced by the boy.

Blech.....Even the 8 year olds mother accepts that
her son needed the forgiveness of the
Pope (JP2).

Posted by YO | January 2, 2008 3:45 PM

@12...The Onion is a satirical newspaper that writes joke stories...It's supposed to be funny, not real.

Posted by Erin | January 2, 2008 4:46 PM

*@14, not 12. My bad.

Posted by erin | January 2, 2008 4:48 PM

It's not far off from what Michael (weiner) Savage said about the kid who released the email messages from that creepy Florida Republican.

What was his name? There's so many of them, I lose track.

Posted by catalina vel-duray | January 2, 2008 6:25 PM

This is wrong- but Tenerife is sooo right. Oh beautiful island, with so many diverse climate zones.

Posted by ams | January 2, 2008 7:04 PM

I was 8 when I was raped by a priest, and I didn't ask for it. If some 13-14 years old want it-maybe. At that age your hormones are raging. Some priests (pedophiles) know that, and are more than willing to take advantage of it. The guilty here are the priests, not the children.

Posted by Otto | January 3, 2008 9:18 AM

Ok, so I agree with the outrage here, BUT, (I may be in trouble with you guys for this), as a gay man, I DO remember having extremely intense crushes on several adult males when I was in junior high and high school. If I'd been straight, I would have been horrified to find an adult male making moves on me, but I'm not sure how I would have felt at the time if an attractive adult male had attempted something. In junior high, I probably would have felt violated regardless of the circumstances, but at 15 and 16, I was fooling around with other guys the way my straight male classmates were doing with other girls. So if a closeted, handsome male teacher had hit on me as a 16 or 17 yr old, I MAY have welcomed it. Of course, this is all theory on my part. I can't honestly say how I would have felt, but I do understand that a VERY SMALL number of gay teenagers MIGHT be interesting in having sex with men who are older. HOWEVER, I don't think that this rare phenomenon should be used to make exuses for abusive pedophiles who pray on confused teenagers in churches, schools, sports, scouts, etc...

Posted by Erick | January 3, 2008 9:55 AM

Erick, like you said-there is nothing wrong with young guys experimenting. What is wrong is older men taking advantage of this. Especially men of the Cross.

Posted by otto | January 3, 2008 11:28 AM

Alvarez's comments are so incredibly vile that it seems as though he must be joking....Sadly, I'm sure he is not...There is a special place in Hell for people who are in positions such as his and prey on innocent children...

Posted by Helen V. | January 3, 2008 11:47 AM

Lucily MANY have been arrested.

Posted by otto | January 3, 2008 11:50 AM

raped me

Posted by Father Aiken | January 3, 2008 11:54 AM

he raped me.

Posted by otto | January 3, 2008 11:58 AM

Father Aiken

Posted by otto | January 3, 2008 12:00 PM

What nobody is even pointing out here is again the hypocrisy of the Catholic Church saying gays are evil, then they have a bishop here not even mentioning that... just that there are boys always wanting it from him and the gist of it is that it IS VERY HARD FOR HIM TO RESIST? Tough titties, Bishop. You guys are the ones making rules that seem to be impossible for yourselves to keep.

It’s doubly wrong because the Pope, in his "New Year's Peace Statement", again has attacked gay people as destabilizing the fabric of society... Only he has it backwards:


When will people just reject this fucked up “church” and its DOGMA???

Posted by Evan | January 3, 2008 12:10 PM

The truth is, that when I was 15 years old I was answering ads in the personals section of the "Advocate" and sneaking off to Adult Bookstores and All Male Adult Cinemas. This was 30 years ago, by the way. I supply that for context. I was tall for my age, and could maybe pass for 18, but no one was getting too worked up about 'carding' me. But 15 is not 13, even though we all develop at a different rate. And just because a child has *normal,* *healthy* questions about their bodies, or sex in general, DOES NOT MEAN that adults in a position of trust and power are off the hook for abusing that power. Yes, young teens can be drunk on hormones and view the entire world through the lens of sex, and will push the limits. But *children* are not young teens, and while it's hard to draw these lines, we need to err on the side of protecting children from those who would abuse their positions of power. Honestly, I think it's the repression that creates the sickness -- but this Post is too long already to get into all *that*!

Posted by John | January 3, 2008 1:12 PM

And we all know that children have the maturity to know what's good for them. Like drinking soda and eating candy all day. And banging priests.

Posted by gex | January 3, 2008 1:15 PM

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