It's weird how we let them have the "American card." If liberals started running around saying that rural areas of the country weren't "American" people would be confused.

I'm in MO, which is probably on the list of real american places. But I'm specifically in St. Louis, and today Barack Obama drew thousands to the Gateway Arch. Maybe St. Louis isn't really american, but the rest of the state is? It is sofa king confusing...

btw, I went to the rally. I saw him live!!! (from about 500 yards away)

What's the big deal? She's right. I grew up in Richmond. There's a huge cultural divide between NOVA and the rest of the state.

However, she's wrong to say that the rest of the state is 100% red territory. There are some increasingly democratic leaning areas in the rest of the state: the City of Richmond (which is majority black), and the counties surrounding UVA and VA tech are blue areas.

My parents are going door to door for Obama in rural Nelson County, south of Charlottesville. The demographics shift in northern virginia is what opens the door for Obama to take VA, but it's the massive ground game that the Obama campaign is playing that will seal the deal. And it's all possible because of donations by people in states such as WA.

I love her faked laugh. "Ah ha ha ha! (Oh, fuck.)"

Keep it up, Republicans. Seriously. Keep it up.

god got everything right on her except her brain. sorry again god, major FAIL.

This divisiveness from McCain's team will drive urban undecideds - fickle, sensitive people all - right into the arms of Obama.

Norfolk voted 3-2 for John Kerry. If McCain doesn't mind, can the state of Not-Really-Virginia can keep the US Atlantic Fleet?

what a dipshit. she even had the opportunity to take that stupid comment back and she just dug in deeper. nancy pfuckingsucks is earning her paycheck today...

hoo boy, this election season's really getting down and dirty. I thought it would get boring after Obama started rising in the polls, but it looks like McCain's troops aren't gonna let it go without a fight.

I want direct McCain surrogates to be calling Obama and Biden pinko commie homo lovers by the end of this month. anything less would be...unamerican.

This "Real American" bullshit means nothing but "white racist, gun-toting, bible-thumping war-loving, tax-abating" American. As a black American, who grew up in the South, I find this type of campaigning scary and very worrying because it'll inflect fear in a lot of voters down in the South. To me, it's reminiscent of David Duke. If they're playing this card, I pray to God that it backfires on the GOP for the next 20 years.

i don't get this patriotism thing with republicans. they want to call into question the patriotism of places that lean left? well someone ought to remind them that osama bin laden and his actually anti-american crew didn't attack nowhersville usa, they attacked new york, and it's other places like chicago, seattle, san francisco, los angeles, ect... that are actually at risk. everywhere that leans left pretty much.

it pisses me off, it's my friends who live in danger here in ny, and these asshole dare to question whether were 'pro-american' enough? fuck them.

I'm from South Texas, which can be called "non-american" for more than its generally blue leanings.

The blue tide in Texas stops at San Antonio-Austin, though.

Chale, holmes.

Sarah Vowell: "The East Coast is American enough for Al-Qaeda, so it should be American enough for them."

Gotta love the freeze-frame for the video.

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Except for Virginia and Florida (leaning toward Obama) and North Carolina (up for grabs), it appears the once so-called Solid South for Dems has returned to the Civil War mindset - and people like that hateful airhead are actively promoting such a mindset. As someone else so delicately put it: "Fuck 'em..."

@nbc - She's wrong. Her point is not that there's a cultural divide in Virginia, it's that one part of the state is somehow more "real" or "American" than the other. And way off base.

Dan, check out this news story from the LA Times:

"Voters say they were duped into registering as Republicans"
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fraud18-2008oct18,0,1216330.story

The ACORN thing has nothing on this. Lousy Republican hypocrites.

I wonder what her "real lips" would look like.
I feel weary listening to more blah blah blah about Republican blah blah blah and yet, it's probably not weariness, it's intense rage that I haven't let out

sam@18, looks like a bunch of people who will be that much more inspired to VOTE dem, despite technical gop status. backfire, again.

Okay, I disagree with the increasing tone from the McCain campaign against "non-American" segments of America, but as someone who has lived my entire life in Northern Virginia, yeah, there's a difference. And it's one that most people in Northern VA are only too eager to emphasize.

yes we should be waving flag ... but do it don't just talk about it.

and instead of whining about how they are wrong to say we're not american how 'bout saying they're not american? The lousy GOP lying traitors who divide us, that is.
we always whine that they wrongly define us. well how about fucking defining them.

anyhooo nice to see their hateful racist divisiveness is sorta actually pushing urban hipsters to start being a bit more overtly patriotic and perhaps feeling like making unity with the rural parts of VA (get 'em to vote Obama yeah yeah yeah we welcome all crackers who vote for Obama dig it) instead of mocking the rural folk as mullet haired and trailer trash etc.

hopefully we will not only win election day but create this big supermajority for change and i think we gotta win a big slice of SW virginia and places like that, to, to get that big sweeping change.

[dc rant follows:

Btw still don't get why DC doesn't get senators isn't that sort of treating DC residents as not american, but for real? not just words and phrases?? what the hell is up with Democratic party that it does not stand up for voting rights for DC they are americans like you you get to vote for a senator how would you like it if you had no senator? It's about as many people as in Alaska dontcha know they get senators even lying corrupt bastard club senators but none for dc, it wouldn't be because it's majority black now would it? IF south africa or had a capital district with a majority black population but they didn't get to vote for the south african parliament i think we would denounce it as a totally fucking racist vestige of apartheid but here in the usa??

liberals don't seem to give a give a shit, and the conservatives are very happy to keep those dc folks with no vote, cuz you know, they're not "real americans".....]

how's that american??

What's even scarier to me is the notion that, by attempting to frame "Real Virginia" as anywhere in the state NOT a "suburb of D.C." as Pfotenhauer puts it, she's also I think suggesting an even deeper implication: that D.C. itself, now that there's a Democratic majority in Congress, is also, by inference, not part of "Real America".

The Republicans gone completely off the deep end when they start trying to suggest the Capital City of the Nation is no longer a part of some mythological, white-ruled "Real America" simply because there are a large number of Democrats living and working there.

Is that just completely fucked-up, or what?

Registering people as Republicans instead of Democrats isn't going to cause them to vote for McLame instead of Obama. I, for instance, am not a registered Dem, but I have voted the straight Dem ticket for the past eight-ish years. You'd have to be totally illiterate to mistake McSame for Obama, and even then I think an illiterate person could tell they wanted the candidate whose name starts with a big circle and not the other squiggles thanks to constant Obama coverage.

The Palin Plague is the new McCarthyism.

The hundred or so people in Seattle who have closed ranks into a bunker and are running magic beads between their fingers hoping for Miserbalism to win, will never understand Palin.

Is there really a John Bailo?

Snark be thy name.

As a fake Virginian, I'm glad to be distinguished from the 'real' ones.

There are actually fairly many of us who believe in those anti-American values. My block at least has far more Obama/Biden yard-signs than McCain/Palin.

I can't be quite as sure as fivethirtyeight, but there's a good chance VA will be adding its EV's to Obama's total!

Hell, I even convinced a few straight friends to support (and donate to) 'No on Prop 8' in California. Who knows what could happen next?!

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Well It Ain't VENDELL VILKIE!

Ummm.... stupid bitch?

Yeah, that about sums it up.

Us Northern Virginians are part of New Virginia instead of the traditional Old Virginia which is the Southwestern part that votes Republican. The growing number of people in Northern Virginia will eventually turn the state around. Meanwhile, we have to deal with crazy state reps whose only platform is no new taxes. Our County Supervisor is in charge more people than the Governor of Alaska by 400,000 people.

Anyway, Real Virginia is such CRAP! I lived my whole life in Northern Virginia and we have had to deal with Richmond Politic the whole time. We are part of Virginia.

I'm curious, how can she be both pro-America and a secessionist at the same time? By definition, isn't a secessionist anti-America?

And why isn't anyone more concerned about a potential VP who supports a secessionist movement?

"Northern Virginia" is more of a functional name than a rigidly defined area. There is no single entity which clearly defines the boundaries of the region.

I've lived in "Southwestern VA" and Southeastern VA" and "Northern VA" - and yes we're all different - just like any other state!

It's a direction - not a philosophy. Living in Northern VA does not dilute my Virginia-ness!

He really does have a type though doesn't he?

John McCain grew up in Alexandria, VA and attended a prep school there. In fact he was born barely on our continent (US Controlled Panama).

These people just don't think before they say. I guess John McCain's service to this country doesn't make him a real American since he's from Northern Virginia. These people are asses.

John McCain grew up in Alexandria, VA and attended a prep school there. In fact he was born barely on our continent (US Controlled Panama).

These people just don't think before they say. I guess John McCain's service to this country doesn't make him a real American since he's from Northern Virginia. These people are asses.