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Friday, July 28, 2006

Shots Fired at Jewish center at 3rd & Virginia

Posted by on July 28 at 20:00 PM

We’ll file an update after the SPD holds its press conference at 8:30. For now (it’s 8pm), here’s the report from our folks phoning in from the scene: 6 people shot. All women. 1 is dead. Another victim—not the dead woman—is pregnant; she was shot in the arm. The shooting occurred at the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle at 3rd and Virginia at about 4 pm. Police were on the scene almost immediately. At least 10 ambulances responded. Speculation is that the shooter was Arab Muslim. He was apprehended after a tense hostage situation. Rumors are the shooter was angry about “the war in Israel.” He reportedly aimed low and asked the his victims to call 911.

From the PI report:

The gunman forced his way through the security door at the federation after an employee had punched in her security code, Marla Meislin-Dietrich, a database coordinator for the center, told The Associated Press. “He said ‘I am a Muslim American, angry at Israel,’ before opening fire on everyone,” Meislin-Dietrich said. “He was randomly shooting at everyone.

SPD spokeswoman Deanna Nollette, however, told us the identity of the shooter is pure media speculation.

SPD Chief Gil Kerlikowske was at an anti-terrorism conference in San Jose, CA. and is on route back to Seattle. The Mayor will speak at the press conference.

Witnesses say the shooter was waving a gun and then went into the building.

It’s cordoned off from 3rd and Virginia to 3rd and Blanchard. Helicopters are flying above. Tons of SPD cars are stationed at all corners. Small crowds have been hovering on street corners, gawking for hours now. One bystander said it was the “coming of the apocalypse” … (True that: Gays, Jews, heatwave…)

The place is flooded with reporters…TV camera crews. One gawker told The Stranger: “I wish someone would interview me. I don’t know anything. But I wish someone would interview me.”

Here’s the statement from Mayor Nickels:

This is a terrible tragedy for all of the victims and their families. Our prayers are with them today. We don’t know the exact reason, but it appears that it was purposeful. This is a community that prides itself on being a safe place to live and work. We will come together for these families and help them through this terrible situation. In the meantime, the Seattle Police Department will be providing added security to all Synagogues and Temples in the city until further notice.

That last line is a little chilling given that we heard a rumor (from a TV reporter) that there was a heightened security alert that went out yesterday in Seattle concerning local Jewish community centers.


*Personal footnote, and I know it seems super weird in the middle of this breaking news story. But that last line about protecting Jewish community centers is extra weird for a personal reason. Yesterday evening I was jogging on E. Interlaken Pl., that cool stretch of wooded paved road that runs along Interlaken Park on the North end of Capitol Hill. On that route, you pass a Jewish school. As I passed the school, a dad was pulling out onto Interlaken from the driveway to the school. He had a car load of kids, and we exchanged looks; him slowly rounding the corner…me slowly jogging up the hill. As we looked at each other, I flashed on Jewish identity and the war in the Middle East and vulnerability. (Maybe being alone on a wooded street added to that). I don’t know. This sounds a bit hokey, but I wondered if people like this dad—who are so Jewish identified—wondered himself what someone running by was thinking—as they saw him pulling out of this place that announced so loudly who he and his kids were. Especially at a time when Israel is at the center of a global conflict. I’m Jewish, and look Jewish, and I am increasingly, in my own head, Jewish identified. (It happens as you get older.) But still, I wondered what he was thinking. And I wondered if he was curious about what I was thinking.


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They're killing Jews, it seems.

This is not a good sign.

According to komo, 4 were shot, including one pregant woman.

I wonder the motivation: radical lefty, islamist or crazy?

The news on TV could stand to have some fucking respect for the victims and not show the video of them bleeding and being carted off. Assholes.

Radical lefties usually have pot lucks. Sounds like a religious nut to me. "Islamist" and "Crazy" share a large common group of suspects.

Gun control, anyone?

"... a man walked into the Jewish Federation building with a gun, said he was upset about what was going on in Israel, then opened fire. After the shootings, the man said to call 911, the witness said."

Wow. That's some cold "jews aren't really people. Killing some is like clipping a toenail" attitude.

what is your source, golob?

Jeeezus H golob, that's an insane reading of the quote.

I think all will be better served to wait for a report in the newspaper tomorrow... Unless one seeks to traffic in rumors, half-truths, and hearsay.

Liberals don't know what to do with the Jews. They don't like Israel but many Jews are Democrats.

The source was the PI article.

And I don't know. To shoot five (or more people) and then calmly suggest someone call 911 is pretty cold in my book.

Fair enough colin, and apologies. It's just very upsetting situation..

the gunman allegedly said he was shooting because he was angry about what Israeli is doing to Muslims. If this was his motive no doubt he will get sympathy from many on the left, as do all people who commit hate crimes in the name of "palestine" (or in this case Lebannon).
Yet if someone kills Muslims out of anger about how Christians are treated in Pakastan/Saudi Arabia/Afganistan/ etc it's simply labeled a hate crime without legitimate motive. This is one double standard people on the left not only don't complain about, but foward.

golob, my bad. I though you were saying that the witness relating the incident was cold.

Dontcha just love idiot, anti-liberal trolls? I sure do.

"Dontcha just love idiot, anti-liberal trolls? I sure do."

hmm. so denouncing hate crimes against Jews makes one an "idiot, anti-liberal troll". uh,ok! sign me up!


Who are these "many on the left" that neocons keep talking about? I've never met any. They must be too busy persecuting the poor Christian majority to socialize.

What a sad, sad day. I used to work with the Federation on their annual gala, and they are a wonderful bunch of people.

Right, Andy J,

Pop and Jane Doe were just condemning hate crimes not regurgitating neo-con bullshit, my bad.

I'm probably safe in expressing my deepest sympathies and condolences to the (too) many families recieving gut wrenching telephone calls this evening.

May they know that the whole community hopes their loved ones come home.

Now they are going to post police at places of worship all over Seattle. Probably about two cops working overtime guarding the church parking lots. All this in the country that is famous for it's so-called freedom of religion. The melting pot! What a joke. I think the churches, synagog's, mosque's, ect. should provide their own securtity and don't expect the tax payer to pick up the tab for these policemen who are getting rich on juicy overtime paychecks for an unending, never ending war.

Such a sensitive time for a little speech against security, Donald. You're a real peach.

When I got on the 10 and we spent 10 minutes parked at 2nd/Pike, and then I got off and saw traffic backed up all over Downtown, I had to wonder what had happened. As I walked into Capitol Hill, I saw the Block Party and said, "C'mon now, that can't be it."

I got food at the 15th/John Safeway, and while in line the old man in front me asks, "You hear what happened Downtown?"

I say, "No."

He says, "Some Pakistani walked into the Jewish center and shot 7 people."

I was speechless, needless to say.

Wow. Reading this and AP reports, not sure if the Pakistani thing was a mistake, but this is clearly a big deal, with SPD basically shutting down corridors Downtown, during rush hour on Friday, and making the streets impassable.

Hey Donald, you ASS, my synagogue already picks up the tab for its own security. And if you remember, after 9-11, it was other faith communities and good citizens who stood in front of the Idriss Mosque until they finally shooed everyone away. Did you actually have a point or did you just want to bloviate?

Again, ANYONE FOR GUN CONTROL?????

Gun control? You mean, criminals should be the only ones with access to guns?

Yeah Donald, perhaps abortion clinics and other places that attract violent nutjobs should not depend on the police so much as well. It doesn't make sense for police to secure likely targets.

Oh, I now read amidst various sources that indeed, the prime suspect is Pakistani.

Gun control? How exactly does that work? A guy who is crazy enough to walk into a building and shoot people is going to be deterred by a gun control law?

And of course there won't be any handguns around, just like it's pretty much impossible to find illegal drugs.

Pakistani? But Pakistan is one of our allies in Our War On Terror?!?!?! Didn't President Bush say he could see the soul of their president or something?

Jane Doe: "If this was his motive no doubt he will get sympathy from many on the left"


I don't know, and have never known, anyone on the left who condones murder as a solution for anything. That's a new definition of "left" I need some time to absorb ... when I'm done feeling sorrow and intense compassion for these innocent women. Jane.

I have never heard any lefty express delight when a Jew get shot. Most of the Jews I know are lefties. Christ.

Why yes, Dan - I am what you would call a lefty. Thanks for noticing. So many of my so-called followers just can't seem to get that through their head.

It would be a big shock if this came from a lefty.

To be honest, though, it would be a shock coming from the seattle muslim community.

Into new territory here, where political disagreements are settled with hostages and handguns. Happens in Israel, and now in our city.

This guy is obviously evil and demented and committed a horrible crime, but lets focus on the positives -- at least he didn't blow up all the buildings of Seattle and kill thousands of innocent civilians.

Coming from across the States, these people definately should receive our prayers...as well as their families, the elected officials of your area and the psychopath.

This guy clearly has mental issues...it is that and not the vicious act he committed that will get the left's pitty.

Hm. Slog troll. Slog-troll? Slogtroll.

Stroll maybe?

Trog? Trog is pretty good. The slogan could be "Seattle's only Trogs. Only on Seattle's only blog."

I don't know. Would you call it trogging? Or Strolling? Strolling sound's kind of effortless, while trogging sounds like hard work. And trolling the Slog is nothing if not easy.

Anyhoo. Happy strolling.

Trog, I like it.

This is a bad, bad, sad thing.

Anyone who can justify this murder, or any of the innocents murdered in Lebanon the past 17 days is pathetic and sick.

You are not a humanitarian, you are not of liberal mind, you are the lowest form of life.

There is more to life then political ideologies. There is also compassion for individuals.

I am embarrassed to share the same air with you.

I was interested in what
seattle indymedia aficinados had to say about the shooting. The first comment in response to the shooting:
"When you equate anti-zionism with anti-semitism look what you get"

i hate seeing people going about everyday business after such a tragedy. i want everyone to stop and freeze frame everything and not try to just numb out or escape or ignore even though i know that doesn't make any sense and isn't possible. i posted on my blog about the stupidest possible post-shooting comment i could ever dream to hear. i'm so angry, but mostly hopeless. and yes i am jewish and yes i feel a big target on my head. more than normal.

We're here with you, Avi.

Perhaps I articulated myself poorly since a couple people (including Dan S)paraphrased me as saying lefties had no problem when Jews are murdered. So, lets try again....
Many people I have spoken with who are politically active in social justice movements, along with most Muslims I have spoken with have this take on anti-jewish violence related to the mid-east conflict: there was no antisemitism in the muslim and arab world until Israel was created, so stop Israeli injustice and you'll stop anti-semitism among muslims and arabs.
My point is you could try and link negativity towards any minority (muslims, immigrants, african americans)to the behavior of some people in that group and tell people in that group how they could lessen negative attitudes towards them. But jews are the only minority group where some people on the left find it acceptable or even noble to see it in that light. That's been my experience.

"...there was no antisemitism in the muslim and arab world until Israel was created..."

Well it would be nice if that were true -- but it is not. There was plenty of antisemitism (anti-Christianism, too) throughout the history of Islam. Statements to the contrary are not accurate.

It's just an excuse to justify the position of people who want to destroy Israel and kill Jews.

It's too bad that this incident is being seen as having something to do with Israel, just because the bozo who did it says so. You're taking his word for it, but he's not a reliable source of information about anything, including his own motives. He's a shithead who has transferred his own conflicts and inadequacies onto this thing, but he doesn't know anything about Israel. It's not about Israel.

Seattle, a city that prides itself on being "progressive" and "fair-minded" seems to me like one of the most anti-semitic cities I have ever been in. People here seem to take an extra special amount of glee in trashing Israel, and Jews in general. I have seen it myself in the streets, in op-ed pieces in the papers, in countless letters to editors. People here automatically side with the Palestinians. When Rachel Corrie died this whole region adopted her as a martyr. I'm not condoning her death but she has been used as a pawn by the anti-Israel, anti-Jew people here. I am sure the shooter here will be viewed with at least some sympathy for trying to do something for "his people and their suffering" from the same kind of Seattle anti-semites.

The Stranger was the only local newspaper to expose Rachel Corrie's connection with terrorist organizations. Seattle is a racist anti-semitic town. The conventional Seattle wisdom is Israel should not kill the terrorists and their children in Lebanon. We are lucky to have The Stranger to stand up and speak the truth. Israel will win the war with Lebanon and Syria and that will bring peace.

FNARF,
You are kidding, right?

He is a Moslem man. He shoots Jewish women while stating that he is angry at Israel.

And you say it is not about Israel. You know him better than he knows himself?

FNARF,
Maybe next you will say it is not about Jews? And the fact that he shot Jewish women at a Jewish center while yelling about Israel is all just some weird coincidence?

Sure, the guy is probably nuts. So what? The way he manifests his nuttiness is by shooting Jews. Don't you think that is slightly significant? I mean he could have shot Chinese in the ID. But he didn't.

Israel is on the other side of the planet folks. Seattle has some local nutcase on a spree and suddenly everyone says it's blowback from Iraq and Israel. It's not. This was a Seattle event and we should all just ignore it and go about our lives.

Missy repeats the same old tired lines linking criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism. Yes, *some* who criticize Israel are doing it out of hatred of Jews, but certainly many have a genuine problem with Israel's actions.

MROBVIOUS: There is such an obvious double standard when it comes to Israel, and it's hard to believe it doesn't come from anti-Semitism. Why don't people in Seattle protest in the streets about Palestinians and Lebanese terrorists killing and maiming innocent Israelis? But the minute Israel does something to protect itself, all the people rush out into the streets here or write letters to the papers condemning Israel. So much for fairness. People here look at Israel as occupiers and a military machine and the fact is that Israel has a right to exist and the Jews were treated horribly by the Arabs before the 1967 war or before Israel was even created. The Arabs want the Jews out of the area entirely, because they hate Jews. People in Seattle overwhelmingly seem to share that opinion. You can criticize Israel all you want and sometimes they do things to deserve it, but they act out of defense of their country and they target militants and don't target civilians, or celebrate when civilians happen to get killed in the crossfire, unlike the Arab terrorists.

I would agree that there is a double standard when it comes to Israel, but I don't believe it's (largely) due to anti-Semitism. I think Israel is considered part of the civilized first-world and therefore held to higher standards when other countries in the middle east aren't.

If anything I think there's a bit of racism at play, the belief that maybe we can't expect better from Arabs (or Africans, etc). Which is why most of the world hardly blinks when a massacre of hundreds of thousands occurs in Africa.

And while I think Israel takes some token steps to protect civilians, mostly they really don't give a fuck about Arab lives. And the large scale and somewhat indiscriminate bombing in Lebanon (two hits on UN observers in a week) is hurting Israel, not helping.

Hizzbullah had the support of maybe 30% of the Lebanese people a month ago and immediately after the attacks many Lebanese were furious with them for their attack on Israel.

But after a few weeks of seeing their country destroyed (with many attacks against areas having not to do with Hizbullah), Hizbullah is more popular than ever.

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