Is septicemia really worth this frenetic & frenzied investment of your emotional capital?

Yes.

I have to do my best to keep my business running

To Santigo: Had the ability for you to immigrate here (legally or illegally isn't the issue, no matter what the Reds talking points are) been denied to you, you would not have TWO business to run. You are a hypocrite, you in one breath honor your employees for their loyalty to Vance, yet in the same breath, you are disloyal to your employee Vance. For what, Santiago, for what? Insubordination? Insubordination because he told you FUCK OFF in front of the customers? Insubordination because he changed coffee vendors without you approval. No, you called Vance out infront of your customers and your employees. You were PISSED at him and needed to make an example of him infront of that group. You fired him.

You should know what US CITIZENSHIP means above most who were born with it. He stood in solidarity with the Immigrant Brothers and Sisters, the very same stock you came from and worked along side with. You are a good Red-Patriot, you worship the dollar. But, the worship of the dollar is a bankrupt belief. You blew it with your Progessive and Liberal Seattle customer base. But hey Santiago, I am sure the dollar worshiping Reds of Snohomish County and Magnolia/Leschi will be packing Septieme, since you seem to expect a kindred with with them.

Yeah, sure. Good luck with that, hypocrite. Your's are two store fronts I am looking forward to being empty.

Something that people like Phenics don't understand is that when you have a business, it costs you money every single day, so you have to keep the money coming in order to stay afloat. It's unfortunate Santiago chose to fire his manager (even if it didn't blow up in his face like this, it wasn't the right thing to do) but I completely get where he's coming from.

He's also an immigrant hero and an example of why the immigrants are coming here any way they can get here. Former apple pickers do not eventually buy the restaurants they wash dishes in in Mexico or China or Ireland or Somalia.

Hey Matt From Dever,

Its a great thing to get "where he is coming from"; shows that you got a half a brain, the ability to see only half an issue. That makes you a Good Red-Patriot; the full use of only half a brain. The whole issue is not about him making or not making money for one day, it is about his ability, and ever single persons ability, to have the freedom to live without fear, and to make money to support ones family, today, tomorrow and then on.

To take a stand today, because tomorrow will be to late.

The shut down did not cost him money; he closed his restaurant (evidence of his now-discredited "solidarity" signage on Monday). He had options, even if it meant being a crew of one. No body kept him from turning the key in lock of the door that day. But he is the owner, he closed the restaurant. Beside, Mondays are historically money loosing days in the restaurant industry anyways, so dispite his self-serving statements and signage, he had very little to loose by closing down. He did, however, have a lot to gain in the way of community good will from the Progressive Citizens who patronize that restaurant. Santiago is a hypocrite, because as soon as that law passes, people like him will be a FELON. Words are meaningless if not supported by action. As a recent immigrant himself, especially in Eastern Washington, he knows better then most the HATRED (but maybe people don't feel HATE towards immigrants in Denver?, if so, Dever is Utopia-on-Earth) people have towards anyone who speaks Spanish. People like him, foriegn born citizens, will be the first that Red-Patiots will "lynch".

The march was not a call-in-sick-cuz-it-a-nice-sunny-day and we want to march event. Progressive Citizens understand that the average Jose, Sandeep, and Sergi will escape the crushing and brutal poverty in there foreign home/county. Even if that means accepting the inconvient poverty of the USA, it is still a step or ten above what they are leaving behind. But the average Jose, Sandeep, and Sergi will come to America to work, possiblity of being a felon or not. The worst is: deportation. The Progressive Citizen and Red-Patriot alike understand that Jose, Sandeep, and Sergi will continue to lie on their I-9's, just like they did yesterday and today. But guess what, Santiago and everyone else who Homeland Security determines are employing Illegal Aliens will be branded a felon. And felons go to prison. Why? It is, and always will be, the responsiblity of the employer to check new-hire's identification. The "I didn't know that ID was fake" defense doesn't stand up in court. Santiago could not use that excuse tomorrow, anymore then he can today. Not now, and not tomorrow.

But, who will the average Red-Patriot going to believe, that this former cherry-picking, dishwashing south-of-the-border born, restaurant owner was duped by Jose, Sandeep, and Sergi? Or the idea that he "gave a wink and a nod to those sorts of activities". Red-Patriots will continue to demonize any citizen it finds inconvient.

No Matt, and this is constructive critism towards you and those who are tempted to side with your half-brained notion, you are the one who needs the attitude change. Should the law pass, Foreign-Born-Naturalized-Citizen-Who-Offer-Assistance-To-Illegal-Immigrants will be demonization tact #1. They will be the low hanging fruit that Progressive Citizens know are going to be; they are going to be the first to be lynched by the Red-Patriots should that stupid, stupid thing passes.

Phenics,

I'll be having dinner @ Cafe Septieme this evening @ 7:30 PM.

Quite franly, think you are a fucking moron.

Quite franly, I think you are a fucking moron.

Phenics -- I understand all that. And I think Santiago was foolish not to just let it go, especially in light of the fact that he's an immigrant himself. However, you seem to have been coming from the proto-communist (and no, I've nothing against communists) view that just being in business making money is a bad thing all by itself.

Just for the record, I completely think these "reforms" are nothing but bullshit. I'm with Phenics and the picketers here so there's no need to address the points he (she?) brought up. But you have to admit it's ironic that a bunch of white liberals are planning to picket and boycott an immigrant-owned business in the name of pro immigration.

(Please, ECB, if you're going to cover the demonstration, make sure to get pictures of the crowd. I wanna see how many brown faces are there.)

By the way--I live in a state that was a hair's width from going blue in the last election, so save yer Red baiting for the really backward states like Utah. Show that you also possess more than half a brain yourself.

My twin, Someguy, has never been the same since he lost at the Special Olympics. Please forgive him.

He means well, but is prone to snarkyness. That, and he likes the style of people named Fran.

Anyhow, if you want to see my less fortunate twin, follow his advice and see him through the windows of Septieme tonight at 7:30. As the only customer in the restaurant, he should be easy to spot.

Something that people like Matt from Denver don't understand is that when you have a business, it costs you money when you alienate your loyal customers. You don't keep customers coming through the door by firing a popular manager who has worked at the restaurant for many years.

ohhh nooo...

A protest on capitol hill?

What an original idea. That hardly ever happens.

Wait, what day is it? Friday? isn't it protest blue socks day on capitol Hill?

BTW "protestors", no... I don't have a quarter so stop asking.

Here's a free tip on a succesful boycott, you had to be spending moeny with the business in the first place in order to affect it's bottom line.

So, the deadbeats on the slog declaring the boycott... I don't think anyone is going to miss you.

Also, as the owner also has the mexican restaurant down the street. Umm, it's Cinco de mayo? he may take the day off tomorrow, just to count the cash he makes tonight.

Franly? Loose? Demonization tact? I do love a high standard of debate.

fnarf....

Please be one of the morons walking around with a picket sign.

I do love a dinner with a show.

monday morning cocina had a banner up in its window before it opened. that banner read approximately:
in support of immigration
we will be OPEN today

did anyone else see that charming display of shitbaggery?

let me guess, You witnessed this as you were coming out of QFC, after having eaten all the free samples you could find?

Hey boycotters, I repeat: YOU ARE FUCKING OVER THE LATINO IMMIGRANT WORKERS WHO WORK IN SANTIAGO'S RESTAURANT. If he loses business, it's a few bucks out of his pocket. His subordinates, however, lose what precious little income they get via tips and hours (workers get sent home early on slow days), and if the loss of business persists, these immigrants will all lose their jobs. All so you can stick up your personal vendetta with the ONE manager.

Hypocrites.

Gomez,

In all seriousness.

This protest is nothing more than a bunch of overgrown, bored, children voicing an ignorant opinion.

If you want to make a difference, visit this business over the next few days, by next Wed, these empassioned "boycotters" will have moved onto a new cause.

Dear Mr. Someguy, if you would stop shouting long enough to listen, you would be able to clearly see that I am not with the protestors, but against them. But I can't go with you, either, because you are plainly stupid and illiterate.

Okay, Someguy, in order prove that you are an actual person and not just some monkey whacking threats into a keyboard, you better be at Septieme tonight at 7:30, 'cause I'm coming to look for you. What do you look like; what will you be wearing?

PS - You do realize the picketting is scheduled for tomorrow, right?

Former Septieme Regular.

I'll be there, just come into the restuarant and start screaming Someguy!!! I'm looking for Someguy!!!

I'm sure if you were a regaular, they will know you by name

C'mon scaredy pants. Tell us what you look like and what you will wear. Or, you could just tell us your real name - though "Someguy" does have a sort of glory hole appeal. But don't get your panties in a bunch, glory boy, we ain't gonna bite. We just want to find out if you are a liar.

Someguy sure sounds like a chicken.

Say what you want about Someguy, but his last post was hilarious.

Former.....

Come in as described and I will introduce myself

Santiago has the right to run his business as he wants. My father came here legally--no gate crashing for HIM!--and ran his own business. He never would have approved of the actions of the subordinate closing the restaurant. This business-owner has done nothing wrong.

I, for one, will invite all my friends to have dinner with me at Cafe Septieme during the supposed "boycott", in order to reaffirm the fact that the "oppressors" who are trying their best to keep their businesses open are, in fact, the economic engine that allow the liberal pantywaists (and their unwitting, non-English-speaking proxies) to pony up for the broadband Internet access that allows them to stage these "protests" to begin with. Viva Adam Smith!

Victor Santiago is providing broadband internet to liberal pantywaists? I missed that part.

Was Tom Joad a proto-communist?

or was tom joad a red?

Tom Joad, the fictional character?

"Santiago has the right to run his business as he wants."

And other people have the right to determine if that decision is moral or ethical in their view. They then have the right, based on their conclusions, to choose whether or not to spend their money at a given establishment, given the ethical judgements they have made about that business's operating practices.

Where we do and do not spend our money is one of the few political tools individuals have at their immediate disposal. Kudos to all of you who see fit to spend and not-spend your money thoughtfully.

Unfortunately, it is the only kudos some of you deserve, since a number of these posts show the rest of us that you are stupid, reactionary, hateful, dim-witted, tantrum-throwing shitheads.

Just wanted to send a quick post. I just returned from having dinner with some friends at Septieme. The place had a good crowd and not one person came in asking for someguy.

So much for the passionate "former".

Wow, what a tough guy.

How about that? Well then, there will be no ruination for that hard-working kitchen and waitstaff.

It's in the P-I...

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/269279_immigration06.html

Where we do and do not spend our money is one of the few political tools individuals have at their immediate disposal. Kudos to all of you who see fit to spend and not-spend your money thoughtfully

This is a brilliant quote. This sums up one of the main differenece between the Right-Coast-Liberal and Seattle-Progressive. Your typical Seattle-Progressives tend to internalize the political struggle, "fighting the fight" as a singular entity. The Right-Coast-Liberals will "fight the (same) fight", only externalize it, finding strengths in numbers.

So, do you like crowds?

Oh, I don't mean to riffle any feathers, Right-Coast-Liberals are a great bunch of folks. Seattle loves ya', thanks for the visit and the stay. Without you, Baghdad Jim (progressives love that nickname, btw) would have been sent packing awhile ago. But then (google this phrase for a good summary overview: "Sunday, November 5, 1916 marked the bloodiest battle in Pacific Northwest labor history.") lives on and on, doesn't it?

But, we all have our own personal line in the sand. When will GW BUSH cross it for you?

That's what I'm saying.

Matt in Denver: Yes, Tom Joad the fictional american icon, the very same.

I did notice that one of my entries was erased last night by the strangers staff.

Did anyone think to purchase a permit for this evenings picket?

I made a point of calling the East Precinct last night and asked about this point. As you'll be blocking the sidewalk and therefor the flow of traffic, you'll need to have a permit or you will be ticketed.

BTW, The weather forecast for this eveing calls for rain and chilly temperatures. Of course this means the front patio will be closed as well as the street doors.

So.... the diners tonight will be able to see you wet, pathetic losers, being ticketed, while waiters bring them food and drink in a nice cozy atmposphere.

It's a damn shame I have to miss this but I have tickets for the Mariners game this evening.

I hope Victor Santiago has record sales this evening and the city of Seattle is able to generate revenues from your fines.

Well then only reason I ever went to Septieme was to see that beautiful man, Vance, so screw it. I ain't going back.

It is always amusing to hear from liberals who argue against anyone boycotting Hollywood as somehow curbing some liberal America hating actor's "rights" when they turn right around and try to do boycotts themselves. Hypocrits.

I for one WILL be at the restaurant congratulating the owner for standing up for his rights!

The issue IS legal vs ILLEGAL. Liberal can't understand this because most of what they do is illegal. SO to them, another criminal in their midst invading our country is simply more sheep to the flock.

Hey, Anotherguy, did you know that Santiago WAS illegal? Until that knee-jerk liberal Ronald Reagan gave him and millions of others amnesty.

Pancho Villa is angry with you capitol hill if you do not show santiago respect. He will be very angry. Zapatista and Che are gonna be rolling in their graves if youi bring santiagos business down. He was the one who let the workers off. Not wolfe. He hired all of them so hes the boss. Pancho would of fired wolfe too for trying to run his revolution, and for speaking out of line with disrespect. He lucky he didn't get slapped. Screw him. Loyal base. WTF. so if he has a bunch of nazis as his loyal base and we supposed to not fire someone because they got a posse behind them. Give me break.