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Thursday, October 12, 2006

Five Minutes with Dan

posted by on October 12 at 10:42 AM

The Daily Pennsylvanian’s blog, The Spin, has a video chat with Dan wherein he expounds on the Senate race between Rick Santorum and Bob Casey (and Green candidate Carl Romanelli, who is fighting a legal battle to get on the ballot).

Choice excerpt: “Any progressive who votes for a Green anymore after Nader and now Romanelli is a fucking idiot and should be beaten with sticks.”

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Damn! I'm a big fan of Mr. Savage, but that's some strong rhetoric... I think that saying "Carl Romanelli should be dragged behind a pickup truck until there's nothing left but the rope." (2:41) is a bit of a overstatement.

Posted by David | October 12, 2006 10:54 AM

Hey, if you can't stand the competition, get out of the democracy.

The lesser of two evils approach to politics will always result in the election of a compromised candidate.

Instead of Republicanesque sounding dramatic statements (like "you're either with us or agin us" or "progressives should be beaten") you may want to consider promoting ranked choice voting.

Defeating Republicans and replacing them with Democrats that don't support citizenship rights for LGBT individuals isn't what I call a victory.

Posted by patrick C | October 12, 2006 11:02 AM

Right on. lol

I can't imagine not only being able to fearlessly say what you think, but to make a living at it. It's rather inspiring.

Posted by Violet_DaGrinder | October 12, 2006 11:04 AM

Yo, Patrick. Get this through your thick skull: Nader/Romanelli/Dixon ARE NOT CANDIDATES. They're not going to win, and the question of whether they have the support of 3% or 5% of the voters is not an interesting one.

I'm quite sure you intended the maximum possible amount of scorn when you typed the word "compromised". Because people like you don't believe in compromise, do you? You believe in just getting your way--but no, that can't be true either, because you NEVER get your way, and you never will. You'll never even come within shouting distance.

Instead, you'll continue to congratulate your self-righteous self on your ideological purity while the SERIOUS progressives who are actually interested in making things happen are stymied by your stupidity. Well done, sir, well done! George Bush is eternally grateful to you, and if you get your way, so will be Rick Santorum.

Dragging behind a car is too good for 'em.

Posted by Fnarf | October 12, 2006 11:14 AM

So when are we gonna see a Dan Savage/Ann Coulter debate?

Seems a natural!

Posted by Napoleon XIV | October 12, 2006 11:18 AM

I know that Dan was using shocking language to prove his point, fine. But from my perspective it is when liberals like us start using this kind of hateful and manipulative rhetoric that we start "deserving" the end of our democracy. Really, this is not how I want us to "win" - in fact in the long term I don't think this is how we can win.

So I will still vote for the better of two evils, but this tirade almost convinced me not to.

Posted by Jude Fawley | October 12, 2006 11:25 AM

Well, first of all, obviously Dan doesn't know what "idiot" means--someone who is civically unengaged. Someone who votes--no matter who for--is *not* an idiot. And I find it a tad disheartening that after making a (justifiable) stink over Buju singing about killing gays, Dan starts walking down the slippery slope of calling for the beating of folks who fucking participate in our democracy (unlike the majority of Americans).

Rhetoric (i.e., persuasion) is a good thing. And Dan you're good at rhetoric, but get your terms right and keep it at least marginally constructive (as you do 95% of the time).

Posted by smiles | October 12, 2006 11:28 AM

Dan, Dan, Dan.... I laughed out loud at the comment about dragging him behind a truck. BUT although in context it's fine, don't you worry that out of context you come off as a nut? As in,say,the headline of the link? I only say this because I agree with your frustration on Nadar-likes who don't have a chance and are mucking things up. However, your over the top hyperbole (though it gets attention and is funny) can also alienate some of the Milktoasty Center Fence Sitters. Maybe you don't care about them, but a passionate plea against the stupidity of the Nadar-likes could, just maybe, not have to be linked to one of the nastiest and most revolting racacial crimes in the last generation. Just a thought. I totally accept that I am a diplomate type of personality always trying to bring folks together and as such - I admire that you are the type who can just say "fuck that" and lay it on the line. I am sometimes, as you would say "a Nervous Little Catholic Woman". But you ARE a voice - believe it or not - for sanity and when you give the other side such simple ammo I worry.

Posted by roman4 | October 12, 2006 11:34 AM

Dan, I hoped you raised a buttload of money to lubricate GOTV efforts and stop Santorum. Enjoyed the interview.

Roman4--I read the tied to a rope and dragged behind the truck statement as more of a Matthew Shepard reference than an allusion to race related lynching.

Posted by lottaholla | October 12, 2006 11:41 AM

Great interview. And he looks hot on camera, too.

Dan Savage for Senate?

Posted by tom in chicago | October 12, 2006 12:01 PM

lottaholla .... except they didn't tie Matthew Shepard to the truck and drag him. They tied him to a fence post and pistol whipped him into a coma and left him to die. Now if that's what Dan wants to happen to all the Nadar-likes, well then, I'm all for it!

Posted by roman4 | October 12, 2006 12:16 PM

Dear Jude Fawley, Concern Troll,

Fuck off and die.

Posted by Brian | October 12, 2006 12:23 PM

until we have a democracy with proportional representation, we have to pick the lesser of two evils.

Yeah, wasn't it a black guy in Texas that got dragged behind the truck?

Posted by him | October 12, 2006 1:08 PM

Yikes, I'm trying to focus on the words, but the video makes it look like Dan has boobs. Why?!

Posted by Meredith | October 12, 2006 1:54 PM

Dan has pecs, not man-boobs. For some reason he didn't strike me as the queer weight-lifting type. In any event, he's hot AND he uses dirty language.

Posted by strait | October 12, 2006 2:23 PM

Brian - I looked up "concern troll" and I am not one. I am not even a troll - believe it or not I was sincere about what I wrote, just happen to disagree with you and Dan. Anyway, and sincerely, thanks for reminding me that I'm an idiot for wasting my time on this blog.

Posted by Jude Fawley | October 12, 2006 2:30 PM

Profanity, minimally used, can be effective. But with so much hostility, it dilutes Dan's effectiveness. But it's not too late.

If Dan starts to build a reputaion of not being such a potty-mouth, then maybe even Bill O'Reilly will invite him on his show to debate Ann Coulter. I'd love to see that!

Posted by Meow 007 | October 12, 2006 2:58 PM

Both Dick Cheney and Barbra Streisand have used the "F" word quite publicly and unapologetically. Who does Dan sound more like when he uses it?

I need a better reason to suck up to (give money, time, adherence, and maybe even a vote) the Democrats than the promise that everything will at least stop getting worse.

I dont believe that things will stop getting worse as long as the electorate continues to support a government that keeps wealthy people in positions of power that ensures the continuation of their own wealth - especially when it means exploiting morality and nobody cares that it happens.

It is not an innate Democratic characteristic - it is the product of our system and the participants are unable (and unwilling) to police themselves.

I think the optimism of a Democratic majority is charming, but I'm pretty sure the fat lady sang at some point in the last ten years, and that cat isn't going back into the bag. Without major large scale political reform - it's over.

Vote for Casey. He'll look the other way when the Constitution gets incinerated - which I guess is better than being the Republican that puts the flame to the paper.

Posted by patrick C | October 12, 2006 4:52 PM

Sorry Jude. People lose their heads sometimes, but most of us Sloggers maintain a civil keyboard.

BTW, Dan is right on. After 20 years of taking it, maybe Democrats are finally learning to dish it out. It's a page right out of the book of Republican political techniques: fight dirty, stop at nothing, take no prisoners, destroy your enemies utterly and without scruple through any means necessary.

I hope it really was the Democrats who leaked the Foley story, and I hope they throw more of those stink bombs in the remaining weeks before the election. We can't let up until every single Republican has gone to jail or has resigned in humiliation and disgrace. Swiftboat their asses, hard!

Posted by Gurldoggie | October 12, 2006 5:06 PM

You know, I just got off the plane and I haven't watched the video. But here's the diff between me and Coulter: I regret using that truck metaphor, and didn't mean it literally, and it was in poor taste, and I regret it.

Jeezuhs, never have three Hoegardens before someone points a camera at your face. But the Green in the race there is scum, and should be slapped—just slapped—and slapped hard. Not literally, though. No violence.

Posted by Dan Savage | October 12, 2006 5:45 PM

Now I'm really conficted. I would quite enjoy a videoed weekly semi-drunken rank from Dan. It was most entertaining. But, no, the spector of Mel Gibson is too easy to invoke here and I don't want a gay Ann Coulter either. But... but..... is there anyway you could yell "sugar tits" at someone next time Dan? Like when they were saying it was time to go over and over again? That would be the shit!

Posted by roman4 | October 12, 2006 6:27 PM

Way to use the "Mel Gibson" Defense, Dan. Was what Mel said okay since he had "a few beers?".

Posted by anony | October 12, 2006 9:09 PM

To roman4 & lottaholla- you "laughed out loud" and found "funny" a reference to the racially motivated decapitation murder of an innocent man? My, what a good Catholic girl you must be!

Protestants were "beaten with sicks" on the way to the stake, as were Jews on the way to the gas chambers.

Sadly, I live in Phila., Pa. and must make the choice between two good Catholic anti choice/anti GLBT candidates for Senate.
Eeny, meany bigot, miney, anti-homo?
Whats a faggot to do ?

Posted by bertbear | October 19, 2006 9:34 AM

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