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also hating muslims or arabs isn't a sin in modern political discourse. Just look at Rudy's '08 advising team, people like daniel pipes, norman poderhertz, et all.
Fine. But if you are hearing both Wright and Parsley for the first time, which is going to sound more shocking: "I hate Islam" or "I hate America"?
This won't get the amount of play that Wright did, because (oh my god!) who would hate America? Lots of people hate Islam.
I hate Islam AND America! How about that? And I hate Christianity as well. I am just filled with hate. HATE HATE HATE!!! Grrrrr!!!
You most certainly would hear about it if Parsley said he believed AIDS came from African Americans or if he said America's chickens are coming home because of black-on-black crime or some other nonsense.
It's not like most of the on-air extremist preachers that have publicly hugged McCain and appeared with him on numerous occassions have said God would destroy America ...
oh, wait, they have.
OMG, are you saying McCain hates America? That would explain it ... he's the Manchurian Candidate.
What historical war against Islam? Didn't we state in a treaty signed by Thomas Jefferson that we are not a Christian nation and that we had nothing against the religon of Islam?
It's OK to hate Islam? Whew, that's a relief.
And oh. Dan: You know those salmon-eating seals from a day or two ago? They weren't shot. Nobody's sure how they died. (One-inch story buried way at the back of the paper here today.)
@2: The conceit here is that Wright, as far as I've seen, has never said he hates America. He hates the injustices America visits upon its people.
Really, Wright hasn't said anything George Carlin or Chris Rock or any other political comedian hasn't said 100 times over. And none of them say that stuff because they hate America; they say it because they love America. They say it because they want America to change.
And who doesn't want that these days.
#6 - do you have any links?
@9 here you go
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/diplomacy/barbary/bar1796t.htm
article 11
But see, Dan, Obama actually went to a crazy pastor's church! McCain is just glad to have the endorsement of crazy pastors for purposes of pandering.
Big difference!
@8, yes, thanks for the clarification. I should have said that, once distilled in the news cycle, those are the nuggets of meaning that seemed to come through.
As well as Carline and Rock, anyone who's listened to much of any hip-hop (P.E., early Cube) is familiar with the sentiments and language. They certainly ain't new.
From what I've seen of the Wright vids, I agree: He's not saying he hates America. He's really not saying anything that shocking. But I think it has been received as "I hate America."
I guess what I'm saying is that anti-Islam stuff fails on a nice, soft cushion of pre-existing prejudice. The harsh critiques of America doesn't have the built-in familiarity, so it is more shocking and more jarring to some folks.
@10, Thanks, I could not find it on the web (you see I read that in a book, those things the GOP is probably going to start burning in Westlake if Rossi becomes Govenor)
@6, @9, @10...
Also, Jefferson's signature on the Barbary Treaties wasn't all that. But once they were ratified by the Senate (which they were) then, in the words of Article 6 of the US Constitution, "all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."
another family values republican fesses up to rumpy-pumpy!
@2: Everyone's for religious freedom, too. Or at least they're supposed to be. I s'pect that's what the Founders had in mind, anyway.
There's not much of a difference between the hateful words of Jerimiah Wright and the hatefull words of David Duke.
@6, 9, 10, and 14 Back then the text of treaties was published in newspapers and this treaty aroused no public comment at all. Everybody knew it and was proud of it.
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