Slog - Comments on Tim? George? Wolf? http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/tim_george_wolf I wonder if we'll seeing any of this on Meet the Press or This Week or the Situation Room... Probably not—not unless someone spots Barack Obama sitting out there in the pews. The reason McCain's crazy-ass pastors—plural—aren't an issue, of course, is that Republicans are supposed to have crazy-ass pastors. We're used to Republican candidates and their crazy-ass pastors. (To say nothing of their ass-crazy pastors.) A Democrat with a crazy-ass pastor is something new.... Copyright 2008 Thu, 08 May 2008 14:32:01 -0800 Thu, 08 May 2008 20:23:50 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by aarons also hating muslims or arabs isn't a sin in modern political discourse. Just look at Rudy's '08 advising team, people like daniel pipes, norman poderhertz, et all.

]]> aarons http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/tim_george_wolf#c1020328 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/tim_george_wolf#c1020328 2008 Thu, 08 May 2008 14:43:59 -0800 Comment by SW Fine. But if you are hearing both Wright and Parsley for the first time, which is going to sound more shocking: "I hate Islam" or "I hate America"?

This won't get the amount of play that Wright did, because (oh my god!) who would hate America? Lots of people hate Islam.

]]> SW http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/tim_george_wolf#c1020339 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/tim_george_wolf#c1020339 2008 Thu, 08 May 2008 14:51:21 -0800 Comment by Cato the Younger Younger I hate Islam AND America! How about that? And I hate Christianity as well. I am just filled with hate. HATE HATE HATE!!! Grrrrr!!!

]]> Cato the Younger Younger http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/tim_george_wolf#c1020347 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/tim_george_wolf#c1020347 2008 Thu, 08 May 2008 14:55:33 -0800 Comment by six shooter You most certainly would hear about it if Parsley said he believed AIDS came from African Americans or if he said America's chickens are coming home because of black-on-black crime or some other nonsense.

]]> six shooter http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/tim_george_wolf#c1020348 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/tim_george_wolf#c1020348 2008 Thu, 08 May 2008 14:55:37 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle It's not like most of the on-air extremist preachers that have publicly hugged McCain and appeared with him on numerous occassions have said God would destroy America ...

oh, wait, they have.

OMG, are you saying McCain hates America? That would explain it ... he's the Manchurian Candidate.

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/tim_george_wolf#c1020352 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/tim_george_wolf#c1020352 2008 Thu, 08 May 2008 14:59:15 -0800 Comment by Cato the Younger Younger What historical war against Islam? Didn't we state in a treaty signed by Thomas Jefferson that we are not a Christian nation and that we had nothing against the religon of Islam?

]]> Cato the Younger Younger http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/tim_george_wolf#c1020353 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/tim_george_wolf#c1020353 2008 Thu, 08 May 2008 14:59:50 -0800 Comment by Fifty-Two-Eighty It's OK to hate Islam? Whew, that's a relief.
And oh. Dan: You know those salmon-eating seals from a day or two ago? They weren't shot. Nobody's sure how they died. (One-inch story buried way at the back of the paper here today.)

]]> Fifty-Two-Eighty http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/tim_george_wolf#c1020357 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/tim_george_wolf#c1020357 2008 Thu, 08 May 2008 15:00:45 -0800 Comment by Zelbinian @2: The conceit here is that Wright, as far as I've seen, has never said he hates America. He hates the injustices America visits upon its people.

Really, Wright hasn't said anything George Carlin or Chris Rock or any other political comedian hasn't said 100 times over. And none of them say that stuff because they hate America; they say it because they love America. They say it because they want America to change.

And who doesn't want that these days.

]]> Zelbinian http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/tim_george_wolf#c1020370 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/tim_george_wolf#c1020370 2008 Thu, 08 May 2008 15:05:48 -0800 Comment by Curious #6 - do you have any links?

]]> Curious http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/tim_george_wolf#c1020372 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/tim_george_wolf#c1020372 2008 Thu, 08 May 2008 15:06:25 -0800 Comment by aarons @9 here you go
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/diplomacy/barbary/bar1796t.htm

article 11

]]> aarons http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/tim_george_wolf#c1020381 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/tim_george_wolf#c1020381 2008 Thu, 08 May 2008 15:10:03 -0800 Comment by w7ngman But see, Dan, Obama actually went to a crazy pastor's church! McCain is just glad to have the endorsement of crazy pastors for purposes of pandering.

Big difference!

]]> w7ngman http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/tim_george_wolf#c1020383 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/tim_george_wolf#c1020383 2008 Thu, 08 May 2008 15:10:43 -0800 Comment by sw @8, yes, thanks for the clarification. I should have said that, once distilled in the news cycle, those are the nuggets of meaning that seemed to come through.

As well as Carline and Rock, anyone who's listened to much of any hip-hop (P.E., early Cube) is familiar with the sentiments and language. They certainly ain't new.

From what I've seen of the Wright vids, I agree: He's not saying he hates America. He's really not saying anything that shocking. But I think it has been received as "I hate America."

I guess what I'm saying is that anti-Islam stuff fails on a nice, soft cushion of pre-existing prejudice. The harsh critiques of America doesn't have the built-in familiarity, so it is more shocking and more jarring to some folks.

]]> sw http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/tim_george_wolf#c1020391 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/tim_george_wolf#c1020391 2008 Thu, 08 May 2008 15:17:54 -0800 Comment by Cato the Younger Younger @10, Thanks, I could not find it on the web (you see I read that in a book, those things the GOP is probably going to start burning in Westlake if Rossi becomes Govenor)

]]> Cato the Younger Younger http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/tim_george_wolf#c1020416 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/tim_george_wolf#c1020416 2008 Thu, 08 May 2008 15:32:39 -0800 Comment by elenchos @6, @9, @10...

Also, Jefferson's signature on the Barbary Treaties wasn't all that. But once they were ratified by the Senate (which they were) then, in the words of Article 6 of the US Constitution, "all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

]]> elenchos http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/tim_george_wolf#c1020439 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/tim_george_wolf#c1020439 2008 Thu, 08 May 2008 15:41:03 -0800 Comment by scary tyler moore another family values republican fesses up to rumpy-pumpy!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24522883/?GT1=43001

]]> scary tyler moore http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/tim_george_wolf#c1020448 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/tim_george_wolf#c1020448 2008 Thu, 08 May 2008 15:44:17 -0800 Comment by hobgoblin with a small mind @2: Everyone's for religious freedom, too. Or at least they're supposed to be. I s'pect that's what the Founders had in mind, anyway.

]]> hobgoblin with a small mind http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/tim_george_wolf#c1020469 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/tim_george_wolf#c1020469 2008 Thu, 08 May 2008 15:52:24 -0800 Comment by raindrop There's not much of a difference between the hateful words of Jerimiah Wright and the hatefull words of David Duke.

]]> raindrop http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/tim_george_wolf#c1020573 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/tim_george_wolf#c1020573 2008 Thu, 08 May 2008 16:29:20 -0800 Comment by mikeblanco @6, 9, 10, and 14 Back then the text of treaties was published in newspapers and this treaty aroused no public comment at all. Everybody knew it and was proud of it.

]]> mikeblanco http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/tim_george_wolf#c1020778 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/tim_george_wolf#c1020778 2008 Thu, 08 May 2008 20:23:50 -0800