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Yes, but this theory does not account for nor justify the continued existence of Your Mama Don't Dance.
anecdote that points to exception invalidates entire theory? cmon schmader.
What about the Ancient Egyptian pharoahs who were expected to marry their siblings and produce offspring? They somehow overcame the revulsion.
3: You're projecting. The story of the Australians is presented as support for the theory.
Penis.
@4-- I bet they raised the boys and girls mostly apart as children.
4, for all we know, the court customs kept the siblings fairly isolated from each other socially, which would have eliminated the revulsion. these sorts of domestic details weren't recorded.
and natalie angier writes about female chimps taking huge risks to sneak off and mate among exogamous male chimps in other chimp tribes, thus exposing themselves and their offspring to male wrath within their own group. there's something driving them to broaden the gene pool. i wonder if this urge is stronger in females than males, as angier does not write about male chimps doing the same thing, but rather, pressuring the females to do the opposite.
There's a follow-up story on the Australian couple that indicates they didn't tell the whole truth. Apparently they first met when she was 15 (not 30) and they previously had a child that died from congenital heart problems.
Bonobos are an even better example than chimps, because they fuck all day long, and they've also been observed to refrain from incest. Also, the females have an instinctual urge to leave their home group when they reach puberty, and find an unrelated group to join.
The Westermarck Effect fucked with Israeli kibbutzim, too, since in most of them, all children were raised together in one house. Therefore, they couldn't imagine fucking one another, and if they liked the kibbutz lifestyle, had to seek a mate in a different one, kind of like the bonobos @10.
Raping for REVENGE? Yes, that's pretty fucking disgusting, terrible, and disturbing. It's better than broiling a newborn, but definitely worse than melding your ass to a sofa.
Really? Ass on a sofa is even close to revenge-raping your mom to get back at your brother? I think this is the first time that I may believe you really hate fat people, Dan.
Dan? Dan???
@12 KeeRazy, FTW!
12: I'm the other Stranger homosexual with the initials "DS". Also, my comparison wasn't based on which act was morally the worst, I was just name-checking those items that seemed to haunt peoples' brains with upsetting imagery. (And the lady on the couch was definitely one of them.)
Schmader: Help us out; please post some photos of your mom.
@15: Oh, sorry, David. When I see incest, I think Dan.
I guess I have no point then.
And yes, I know you write Last Days.
I am crazy. Does a FTW mean just the win, or do I get a candy bar, or slap upside the head, or what?
Yay, I get such a boner for stories that deal with ev bio intelligently.
8, that would square nicely with the Claus Wedekind study which found that women prefer the smell of men who are genetically dissimilar to them. Since it's the females who invest more in reproduction, they would be expected to be the ones who would make sure they're not bearing substandard fetuses. If a male impregnates his sister, it's not much of a loss to him in terms of genetic fitness, but it's a huge loss to her.
@18, it means you get to fuck like a bonobo for the rest of the day. Just not with your father.
If your friend's mom is sexier than your own, you're normal.
How in the world can this story include no mention of the Oedipus complex or the relatively 'common' practice of sexual molestation of one's own children?
@22-- actually its common for men to molest their step-children. Its much more rare for them to molest their own children that they've raised since infancy.
On adoption sites, they warn about moms-sons and fathers-daughters reuniting after being separated since birth and being sexually attracted to each other. I should note the sites suggest NOT acting on those sexual urges. I think. And who hasn't had a crush on a cousin or three?
No analysis -- just observation.
Actually, many studies suggest we're wired to be attracted to people who share around approximately the same amount of genes with us as our first cousins. Jared Diamond's "The Third Chimpanzee" is a good reference. Apparently we search out people with a certain amount of similarities (explains all those couples who look like brother and sister), even in terms of things we could only notice subconciously such as middle finger vs. index finger length ratios, or the minute differences in distances between eyes. But I suppose other factors such as the one mentioned here help us to make the distinction in between people with "just enough" similarities and too many.
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