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Tuesday, March 25, 2008

So What Will Carville Call Cantwell?

posted by on March 25 at 15:25 PM

After Bill Richardson endorsed Obama he was memorably tagged as a “Judas” by Clinton associate James Carville.

Now that Sen. Maria Cantwell has offered this extremely large caveat to her Clinton endorsement—basically creating an Obama vote wrapped in a Clinton endorsement wrapped in a riddle wrapped in a mystery offered by an enigma—what will Carville call her?

The man is rarely at a loss for words, but I’m sure he wouldn’t mind your suggestions.

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He should just consult his wife. I'm sure she could come up with some memorable suggestions.

Posted by Darrell | March 25, 2008 3:29 PM

She could of course decide based on the overwhelming Obama delegates in Washington state. NM was pretty close to 50% but Washington was definitely voted for Obama.

Posted by D. | March 25, 2008 3:29 PM

I'll be disappointed if I don't get crap for that last sentence.

Posted by D. | March 25, 2008 3:31 PM


Posted by NapoleonXIV | March 25, 2008 3:33 PM

Nobody cares about the Carville thing. Not only is it not news, it's not even good agitprop. Move on.

Posted by Big Sven | March 25, 2008 3:37 PM

"Jezebel" is good, but what I'd really like to hear Carville say is "aiiiiieeee" as he plummets off of a tall building.

Posted by Fnarf | March 25, 2008 3:38 PM

How about "Ananias," the guy who got caught up in the spirit of the early a certain extent. Copying others, he sold his land and gave the total value to be shared for whoever had any need in the church...only he and his wife lied about how much they got for the property. For lying to "the Holy Spirit" (as Peter called it), both of them were struck dead by the Holy Spirit.

Cantwell "backs Clinton" but doesn't really mean it...really would vote for Obama if it were more popular...

Not a perfect analogy, but the whole part about the lying and getting "slain in the Spirit" has some ominous undertones the like to scare off anyone from holding back.

Posted by Mr. Joshua | March 25, 2008 3:40 PM

That takes too much 'splainin.

Posted by NapoleonXIV | March 25, 2008 3:41 PM

"Maria, you ignorant slut!" has a certain ring to it.

Plus, Judas is still kind of ennobling, isn't it? There's a history to the name.

Posted by Chris B | March 25, 2008 3:43 PM

I would call her the worst name I can possibly think of to call anyone: a politician.

Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty | March 25, 2008 3:47 PM

"Linda Tripp"

Posted by DOUG. | March 25, 2008 3:48 PM

Pontius Pilate seems appropriate. "It's not that I myself like Obama, it's the will of the people!"

Posted by leek | March 25, 2008 3:53 PM

yellow bellied. She's doing it out of fear and lack of guts, while R. did it for reward. There's a diff.

when FL and MI are disenfranchised, Obama's all for THE RULES not democracy.
The rules gave insiders power to take away voters' rights -- uphold the insiders with power!!

when it's about superdelegates, Obama's all about democracy -- damn the rules giving insiders power. How dare those supes follow the rules and the intent of the rules!!!!

when it's states voting for Obama, like WA, Obama's all for supes following the voters.
Because of democracy.

when it's states not voting for Obama like MA or NM, Obama's all for supes voting for Obama CONTRARY to what the voters said. it's not about democracy suddenly.

And the Obama supporters:
when it's Obama saying "I was never in the pews when that stuff was said" which Josh said was "obvious bullshitting" -- that's okay.

When an Obama supporters like Rev. Wright tell a lie -- that the USA govt. created HIV to hurt balck people -- that's okay. He's excused. And, it's okay if he doesn't recant it and in fact if you dislike it and brign it up, maybe you'll be called a racist.

when HRC tells a fib, my god the world will come to an end. what a liar!!

When an HRC supporters says something, well, coarse, like comparing BR to Judas -- that's terrible to Obama folks.

When Obama folks make a joke about Obama having a bigger cock and hillary not having penis, that's hilarious.
Or showing an unflattering picture of her with a grimace. Wow -- really funny !!

Note this post. No one at the HRC campaign has actually said anything about Cantwell. But who would want to wait for actual wrongdoing, before condemning and jeering?

I guess Obama thinks he doesn't need her support in the general election. Maybe so. But those survey usa polls showing Obama tied in MA and losing in MN and losing OH and those Rasmussen polls showing Obama losing MI and VA and tied in NV make me think:

it's time to be for change, hope and unity and bring the party together.

Posted by unPC | March 25, 2008 3:53 PM

when unPC views everything through the lens of being a frantic Hillary supporter, hilarity ensues!

Posted by Bellevue Ave | March 25, 2008 4:03 PM

Eli, who pissed in your Corn Flakes today? You're turning into such a troll!

Posted by fluteprof | March 25, 2008 4:06 PM

Big Sven @5:

Nobody cares about the Carville thing. Not only is it not news, it's not even good agitprop. Move on.

Thanks, B.S. It's good to finally hear a grown-up voice of reason here for a change. Carville's comments are yesterday's news, ancient history, irrelevant inside-baseball--just like Hillary's Bosnia fib, her Iraq vote, her Iran vote, the health-care reform fiasco, the contributions from the health-insurance industry.

It's about time we set aside all these trivial distractions and started focusing on the real issues that actually affect the American people, namely Jeremiah Wright and Tony Rezko.

Posted by cressona | March 25, 2008 4:07 PM

Carville's actually a funny guy in person. He hosted a few events here in Seattle, so my guess is he'll call her Maria in person, or Senator in public.

Posted by Will in Seattle | March 25, 2008 4:15 PM

Unfortunately Maria is another one of those people who has let the fear of politics dictate her every move.

Unlike the Scoop Jacksons and Warren Magnusons of the past, many of our recent legislators haven't stood their ground on issues. They bend like an aspen tree with the wind. It does a disservice not only to Democrats but all citizens in the state.

What will be next? Murray changing her vote on DOMA? Might happen and I hope she does change her mind on that but it brings up a larger question- why did she vote for it in the first place? If marriage was so important to her then what has changed in the intervening 12 years? The answer, if she had the fortitude to give it would be interesting.

Someone would do Cantwell's staff a favor by running against her in the next election cycle.

Posted by Dave Coffman | March 25, 2008 4:16 PM

Tanya Harding

Posted by artistdogboy | March 25, 2008 4:21 PM

I assume you hung out with him, Will? Gave him lots of political tips? Dated his sister? Rubbed his big bald head for luck? Come on, Will, tell us -- what's he REALLY like?

Posted by Fnarf | March 25, 2008 4:33 PM

unPC, you're a douche.

There, I said it.

Posted by w7ngman | March 25, 2008 4:34 PM

@15 Pot, Kettle

Posted by Mike of Renton | March 25, 2008 4:35 PM

How about Lot's Wife? (The Bible does not give her name. Classy.) She looked back on Sodom's destruction against the Will of God and was turned into a pillar of salt for her lack of faith.

Posted by Bub | March 25, 2008 5:01 PM

Cress@16, the only people in the big wide world who care about what a Clinton supporter called an Obama supporter are oversensitive Obama supporters.

Which is to say, most Obama supporters.

Posted by Big Sven | March 25, 2008 5:06 PM

I'm totally digging this new thing where Will in Seattle has replaced ECB as Ceremonial SLOG Whipping Post.

Of course he invites it, with his unctuous name dropping and puffed up resume. My personal favorite of all time was the job was smelting metal in 12 hour shifts.

Riiiiiight. Will is like our version of Dietrich from Barney Miller.

Posted by Big Sven | March 25, 2008 5:16 PM

"That woman's spineless, self-interested double-talk is positively... Clintonian!"

Posted by banjoboy | March 25, 2008 5:30 PM

@20, no, not really, although I was at the same table at one event. At the old Rainier Brewery. Think it was a fundraiser for Maria or Patty, but it might have been a KC Dems dinner.

He's a nice guy in person.

(unlike you guys, I have a life)

Posted by Will in Seattle | March 25, 2008 5:40 PM

@25 - I worked at Tek Cominco back when it was Cominco. And I said smelting alloys. It was when we had our third round of layoffs from my job as a power engineer (USWA Local 480 - I was a shop steward).

Look, unlike you, I've had and will always have an interesting life - I used to regard it as a curse, quite frankly.

Posted by Will in Seattle | March 25, 2008 5:43 PM

Let's see what's on tv tonight ... on the Slog Channel it's a rerun of Impotent Fights Between Screenames I Couldn't Care Less About ... hmmm ... what time is Olbermann on?

Posted by Bob | March 25, 2008 5:51 PM

Tell us the one about the best way to make love to a lesbian again, Will. Or how you screwed McCain's wife. Or defeated the Nazis in WWII (as a supply clerk).

Posted by Fnarf | March 25, 2008 5:54 PM

[guffaw] tags didn't make it. Intersperse as necessary.

Posted by Fnarf | March 25, 2008 5:55 PM

The Odd Couple: Slog Edition

The opening scene finds Fnarf and Willie in the kitchen.

Fnarf, well dressed with an ascot tucked neatly into his collar, is doing the NY Times crossword.

Willie, dressed in fresh out of the laundry hamper Deva drawstring pants and a fleece pullover, is making green tea.

Fnarf mutters “sixteen letter word for ‘oldest Lucy’….hmmm…Got it! Australopithecus.”

Willie says “I dated her! I was on ultra-secret safari for the government. She was hot. I gave her the first ever female orgasm”

“Willie you utter twit” Fnarf explodes. “Australopithecines lived 2.6 million years ago.”

“Oh do keep up dear Fnarf” Willie coos “The safari was ultra-secret. We broke the time-space barrier. It was just one of the many, many things I’ve done-- unlike boring old you. She got pregnant. You could say I’m sort of the father of humans.”

As the scene fades out, Fnarf is pouring boiling hot water down the front of Willie’s drawstrings.

Join us again soon for The Odd Couple: Slog Edition.

Posted by gnossos | March 25, 2008 11:24 PM

I checked, and it was for either a Cantwell or Murray fundraiser, Fnarf. It was in the Times back then, douche.

Posted by Will in Seattle | March 26, 2008 12:05 AM


Big Sven, I must disagree. Carville's statement is the very essence of what caused me to lose support for Clinton. It's about putting loyalty above what's best for the country. Turns out that she's not the one. Governor Richards knows this and threw his support behind the candidate most capable of winning the White House. Clinton feels betrayed - as though he owed her his endorsement based on loyalty alone.

I don't believe that Hillary or Obama are entitled to the presidency. But I can certainly tell who has done the best job of earning my support.

Posted by montex | March 26, 2008 1:03 AM

Off-Topic Question (though it may Be on-topic, Depending on how the nomination process works out): Was Judas really a villain? If he hadn't betrayed Jesus, JC would never have been able to be crucified, leading to the salvation of mankind (if you believe all of that). If you really believe in Christianity, you should consider Judas the hero of the whole thing, since the role he played (one assigned him by God, again if you believe in the whole omnipotence thing) enabled the whole plan to be set in motion. Judas was basically a martyr. Maybe the same will prove to be true of Bill Richardson -- though my money is still on him getting something out of this endorsement if Obama is the nominee (a VP slot, maybe another Cabinet post or appointment, etc.).

Posted by bookworm | March 26, 2008 9:50 AM

Reading my own post a few seconds after posting it, I realize I'm potentially painting Senator Clinton as Jesus. By no means did I mean to make that comparison. But my point about Judas as the hero of Christianity still least until someone suggests different to me.

Posted by bookworm | March 26, 2008 9:53 AM

He probably won't say it on the talking-head circuit, but in private I'll bet he's gonna call her Cuntwell.

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