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They grew up watching her on the tube from NY ...

Are you having fun yet?

remember the fight against integration in Boston? Guinnies are just as racist as the rest of them crackers.

The folks in Massachusetts are just smarter, I guess.

On the other Narrative... Obama is gaining in his portion of the White Male Vote (teeny as that is in the general electorate).

Gosh, think he's electable?

Guineas? i can't even spell my slurs right today

Actually, #3 is correct. I have relatives in Boston. They will attest to the hostility their. I grew up in the South. And whenever I visited my relatives in Boston, I always thought racism was much worse there.

boston tends to have a lot more 'establishment' democrats at all age levels and groups (i grew up there). just part of the local political indoctrination. i don't think it has anything to do with race or class - just the way politics works there. it's a highly politically-aware place that is also intensely change-resistant. in other words, clinton-city.

You're what, talking about 3000 votes difference in the young Latino demographic? These sorts of 'picking apart the exit polls' posts don't tell any story at all other than Josh Feit and the pollsters don't have anything better to do.

southie, charlestown, dochester, lynn... working class micks won it for her.

And no, #1, you can't get the NY stations in MA.

@bellevue ave. guineas are italians, the ones opposing the busing were irish-americans from the south who hate the italians from north boston.

I'm probably just ignorant, but I don't understand why Latinos as a group would tend to prefer either Clinton or Obama. Can someone explain that to me?

all white people look alike to me.

@13- probably has to do w/ the Latino politicians who endorsed Hillary. And maybe her immigration platform?

clinton has worked closely with national leaders like isaguirre from the national council of la raza, also in california villaraigosa carries a lot of weight and there have been a lot ads for her in spanish radio in the big stations. latinos in illinois for the most part went with senator obama. latinos do not really know senator obama and clinton has been getting more play on univision and galavision, older latinos went for clinton so did their kids..

also the UFW went for clinton as did dolores huerta who is seem among some circles as a female cesar chavez. senator obama does well with young latinos but theyre small.

13, @15

the @15 is the standard soft racism of explaining why a group votes one way by suggesting they are sheep beholden to their leaders, or who are "bought off."

In reality, Latinos likely support Clinton the same reason why working class whites support her and the same reason that overall she got way more votes in all contests so far:

She's a better candidate. And this: Obama's message didn't work.

She's a better candidate because she has more of a track record and folks see the conomy as crucial now. And hse has more substance. And Obama's change mantra is starting to be replaced with people wondering: where's the beef?

Noww everyone can respond in all kinds of pro Obama ways but to imply that the Latinos are "objects" and not "subjects" of their own desitny is racist. So:

callate la boca, amigo.

Si se puede...con ella.

@15 - Thanks. I haven't followed either of those things, except that she was for driver's licenses before she was against them, and Obama is for them.

Ah. More answers while I was typing. Thanks, all.

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I think Obama's message and platform ought to be just as attractive to Latinos as Clinton's, and I'll betcha Obama's campaign is working right now on ways to reach them better. It's an area of growth for him. He's just as good on immigration as she is (not that immigration is the only thing on their minds).

SeMe, I think you'll find that young Latinos are regular-sized!

unPC, "...she got way more votes in all contests so far"

what is the source of your results? i thought O-man actually won a few contests.

It doesn't matter anyway. McCain's the man!

unPC says that a group of people that voted for a candidate that he likes arent sheep, but a group of people that have voted for a candidate he doesnt like are sheep?

The best explanation I see so far, IMO, is that Clinton has campaigned harder to reach Latino voters. Last night the news people kept talking as if it should be obvious that Latinos would vote more for Clinton, but they never said why. "Of course, there's still Texas, where Clinton should clean up among 'Hispanics'."

Thanks.

fnarf, as a latino i gotta tell u we do come in all sizes.

damn, im slow, i just realized fnarf nailed me on my typo. i mean to say young latinos are a small voting bloc.

Maybe I ran in the wrong circles (mostly liberal and white suburban MA), but I don't know anyone back home in MA that likes Hillary or supports her candidacy. I was really shocked that she "took the state". I assumed that Gov. Patrick's endorsement would really help Obama.

I'm assuming that Obama's win in Boston means he got more delegates, though...?

People from MA, generally, are more racist than people here in Seattle, but they're also more tribal and xenophobic. A lot of people back there never leave their hometown or neighborhood and tend to flock with their own kind, be it skin color, religion or country of origin.

MA sounds like one large seattle then, with the tribalism.

I don't know, we got lots of coverage of Sen Clinton here in WA state - way before she ran.

So when I say they grew up watching her on TV as a US Senator, I'm just saying that's what happened.

Unless there's some black hole in MA that national news coverage won't show up in.

(aside to @22 - actually, some of my female Latina relatives are a bit smaller than average, but so are their moms, so maybe it's just who they are?)

Despite it's Harvard reputation, Massachusettes is working class, i.e. Clinton's base. Obama has less appeal in this group.

I did my part here. I also don't know anyone who voted for Hillary, but again my circle consists of white suburban friends.

However my mother was very impressed by Hillary because she did a better job campaigning here (she got 3 calls from Hillary's campaign and none from Obama's).

Will, @30 do you work for a hair restoration company?

"So when I say they grew up watching her on TV as a US Senator, I'm just saying that's what happened."

People in Mass don't give a shit about senators from New York. They know and care less than people in WA do, probably, and what care they have is probably hostility. And your argument makes no sense in the first place, because it applies to everyplace in the country, but explains none of those places (which have had widely differing reactions to Clinton).

It's about as sensible as most Will In Seattle posts, in other words. Do you have a prefrontal cortex?