Slog - Comments on No Narrative http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative Okay, I get that Clinton won the youth vote in California—18-24-year-olds went 52% for Clinton—because younger Latinos went heavily in her favor. Indeed, Latino voters between 18-29 (6% of voters) went 67% for Clinton while the comparable white demographic went 62% for Obama. However, what's the deal in Massachusetts? Eighteen-to-twenty-four-year-olds in Massachusetts went for Clinton 57-39 (white youth went for Clinton 53%... and younger Latino voters were statistically insignificant.) What's with the youth of Massachusetts? Did Southie toughs outdo Harvard brats?... Copyright 2008 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:02:49 -0800 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 19:42:55 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by Will in Seattle They grew up watching her on the tube from NY ...

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927258 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927258 2008 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:02:46 -0800 Comment by Mr. Poe Are you having fun yet?

]]> Mr. Poe http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927261 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927261 2008 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:03:23 -0800 Comment by Bellevue Ave remember the fight against integration in Boston? Guinnies are just as racist as the rest of them crackers.

]]> Bellevue Ave http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927264 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927264 2008 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:04:05 -0800 Comment by Fifty-Two-Eighty The folks in Massachusetts are just smarter, I guess.

]]> Fifty-Two-Eighty http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927265 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927265 2008 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:04:28 -0800 Comment by Andy Niable On the other Narrative... Obama is gaining in his portion of the White Male Vote (teeny as that is in the general electorate).

Gosh, think he's electable?

]]> Andy Niable http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927270 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927270 2008 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:06:41 -0800 Comment by Bellevue Ave Guineas? i can't even spell my slurs right today

]]> Bellevue Ave http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927277 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927277 2008 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:11:29 -0800 Comment by Tony Actually, #3 is correct. I have relatives in Boston. They will attest to the hostility their. I grew up in the South. And whenever I visited my relatives in Boston, I always thought racism was much worse there.

]]> Tony http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927283 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927283 2008 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:17:24 -0800 Comment by kinkos boston tends to have a lot more 'establishment' democrats at all age levels and groups (i grew up there). just part of the local political indoctrination. i don't think it has anything to do with race or class - just the way politics works there. it's a highly politically-aware place that is also intensely change-resistant. in other words, clinton-city.

]]> kinkos http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927287 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927287 2008 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:21:11 -0800 Comment by NaFun You're what, talking about 3000 votes difference in the young Latino demographic? These sorts of 'picking apart the exit polls' posts don't tell any story at all other than Josh Feit and the pollsters don't have anything better to do.

]]> NaFun http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927299 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927299 2008 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:28:58 -0800 Comment by SeMe southie, charlestown, dochester, lynn... working class micks won it for her.

]]> SeMe http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927301 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927301 2008 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:31:11 -0800 Comment by Fifty-Two-Eighty And no, #1, you can't get the NY stations in MA.

]]> Fifty-Two-Eighty http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927304 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927304 2008 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:32:17 -0800 Comment by SeMe @bellevue ave. guineas are italians, the ones opposing the busing were irish-americans from the south who hate the italians from north boston.

]]> SeMe http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927306 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927306 2008 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:32:43 -0800 Comment by pox I'm probably just ignorant, but I don't understand why Latinos as a group would tend to prefer either Clinton or Obama. Can someone explain that to me?

]]> pox http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927307 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927307 2008 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:33:33 -0800 Comment by Bellevue Ave all white people look alike to me.

]]> Bellevue Ave http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927312 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927312 2008 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:34:28 -0800 Comment by yearning @13- probably has to do w/ the Latino politicians who endorsed Hillary. And maybe her immigration platform?

]]> yearning http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927319 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927319 2008 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:37:44 -0800 Comment by SeMe clinton has worked closely with national leaders like isaguirre from the national council of la raza, also in california villaraigosa carries a lot of weight and there have been a lot ads for her in spanish radio in the big stations. latinos in illinois for the most part went with senator obama. latinos do not really know senator obama and clinton has been getting more play on univision and galavision, older latinos went for clinton so did their kids..

]]> SeMe http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927322 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927322 2008 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:40:12 -0800 Comment by SeMe also the UFW went for clinton as did dolores huerta who is seem among some circles as a female cesar chavez. senator obama does well with young latinos but theyre small.

]]> SeMe http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927325 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927325 2008 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:41:45 -0800 Comment by unPC 13, @15

the @15 is the standard soft racism of explaining why a group votes one way by suggesting they are sheep beholden to their leaders, or who are "bought off."

In reality, Latinos likely support Clinton the same reason why working class whites support her and the same reason that overall she got way more votes in all contests so far:

She's a better candidate. And this: Obama's message didn't work.

She's a better candidate because she has more of a track record and folks see the conomy as crucial now. And hse has more substance. And Obama's change mantra is starting to be replaced with people wondering: where's the beef?

Noww everyone can respond in all kinds of pro Obama ways but to imply that the Latinos are "objects" and not "subjects" of their own desitny is racist. So:

callate la boca, amigo.

Si se puede...con ella.

]]> unPC http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927328 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927328 2008 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:43:14 -0800 Comment by pox @15 - Thanks. I haven't followed either of those things, except that she was for driver's licenses before she was against them, and Obama is for them.

]]> pox http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927330 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927330 2008 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:43:49 -0800 Comment by pox Ah. More answers while I was typing. Thanks, all.

]]> pox http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927332 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927332 2008 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:44:48 -0800 Comment by unPC y que me disculpen para no spell check

]]> unPC http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927334 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927334 2008 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:45:14 -0800 Comment by Fnarf I think Obama's message and platform ought to be just as attractive to Latinos as Clinton's, and I'll betcha Obama's campaign is working right now on ways to reach them better. It's an area of growth for him. He's just as good on immigration as she is (not that immigration is the only thing on their minds).

SeMe, I think you'll find that young Latinos are regular-sized!

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927336 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927336 2008 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:47:02 -0800 Comment by Indies for McCain! unPC, "...she got way more votes in all contests so far"

what is the source of your results? i thought O-man actually won a few contests.

It doesn't matter anyway. McCain's the man!

]]> Indies for McCain! http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927348 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927348 2008 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:52:50 -0800 Comment by Bellevue Ave unPC says that a group of people that voted for a candidate that he likes arent sheep, but a group of people that have voted for a candidate he doesnt like are sheep?

]]> Bellevue Ave http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927349 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927349 2008 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:53:07 -0800 Comment by pox The best explanation I see so far, IMO, is that Clinton has campaigned harder to reach Latino voters. Last night the news people kept talking as if it should be obvious that Latinos would vote more for Clinton, but they never said why. "Of course, there's still Texas, where Clinton should clean up among 'Hispanics'."

Thanks.

]]> pox http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927355 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927355 2008 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:54:22 -0800 Comment by SeMe fnarf, as a latino i gotta tell u we do come in all sizes.

]]> SeMe http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927370 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927370 2008 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:59:04 -0800 Comment by SeMe damn, im slow, i just realized fnarf nailed me on my typo. i mean to say young latinos are a small voting bloc.

]]> SeMe http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927420 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927420 2008 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:20:39 -0800 Comment by as puzzled as you Maybe I ran in the wrong circles (mostly liberal and white suburban MA), but I don't know anyone back home in MA that likes Hillary or supports her candidacy. I was really shocked that she "took the state". I assumed that Gov. Patrick's endorsement would really help Obama.

I'm assuming that Obama's win in Boston means he got more delegates, though...?

People from MA, generally, are more racist than people here in Seattle, but they're also more tribal and xenophobic. A lot of people back there never leave their hometown or neighborhood and tend to flock with their own kind, be it skin color, religion or country of origin.

]]> as puzzled as you http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927423 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927423 2008 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:22:17 -0800 Comment by Bellevue Ave MA sounds like one large seattle then, with the tribalism.

]]> Bellevue Ave http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927432 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927432 2008 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:25:13 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle I don't know, we got lots of coverage of Sen Clinton here in WA state - way before she ran.

So when I say they grew up watching her on TV as a US Senator, I'm just saying that's what happened.

Unless there's some black hole in MA that national news coverage won't show up in.

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927476 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927476 2008 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:36:38 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle (aside to @22 - actually, some of my female Latina relatives are a bit smaller than average, but so are their moms, so maybe it's just who they are?)

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927488 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927488 2008 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:41:46 -0800 Comment by la Despite it's Harvard reputation, Massachusettes is working class, i.e. Clinton's base. Obama has less appeal in this group.

]]> la http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927491 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927491 2008 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:42:26 -0800 Comment by Sage I did my part here. I also don't know anyone who voted for Hillary, but again my circle consists of white suburban friends.

However my mother was very impressed by Hillary because she did a better job campaigning here (she got 3 calls from Hillary's campaign and none from Obama's).

]]> Sage http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927523 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927523 2008 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:58:03 -0800 Comment by whatever Will, @30 do you work for a hair restoration company?

]]> whatever http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927535 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927535 2008 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:01:12 -0800 Comment by Fnarf "So when I say they grew up watching her on TV as a US Senator, I'm just saying that's what happened."

People in Mass don't give a shit about senators from New York. They know and care less than people in WA do, probably, and what care they have is probably hostility. And your argument makes no sense in the first place, because it applies to everyplace in the country, but explains none of those places (which have had widely differing reactions to Clinton).

It's about as sensible as most Will In Seattle posts, in other words. Do you have a prefrontal cortex?

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927726 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/no_narrative#c927726 2008 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 19:42:55 -0800