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Friday, July 28, 2006

My Date With Justice (Alexander)

Posted by on July 28 at 9:00 AM

As Josh wrote, our meeting yesterday with Supreme Court Chief Justice Gerry Alexander was quite intense. I got there a few minutes late and found Alexander seated, looking slightly uncomfortable, staring at us over a framed photo of Dan’s son, D.J.

I’ll let Dan explain his intent in making the Chief Justice stare at D.J. throughout the interview, but I’m sure it had something to do with the concern Alexander and other justices expressed about “the well-being of children” as they voted to uphold Washington State’s ban on gay marriage (also known as the “Defense of Marriage Act,” or DOMA for short). My agenda during the interview was to get more information about the “rational basis” Alexander and others in the majority said they believed the state legislature was using when, in 1998, it decided to ban gay marriage in this state. Here’s the main “rational basis” quote from the gay-marriage-ban-upholding decision signed by Alexander:

…Therefore, we apply the highly deferential rational basis standard of review to the legislature’s decision that only opposite-sex couples are entitled to civil marriage in this state. Under this standard, DOMA is constitutional because the legislature was entitled to believe that limiting marriage to opposite-sex couples furthers procreation, essential to survival of the human race, and furthers the well-being of children by encouraging families where children are reared in homes headed by the children’s biological parents.

What got me focused on “rational basis” was our interview, earlier in the day, with liberal Justice Susan Owens (who voted to overturn DOMA for lacking a rational basis) and her conservative challenger, Stephen Johnson. Johnson is a Republican state senator from the Black Diamond area, and he was in the state legislature back when that body made its “rational” decision to ban gay marriage.

But when I and others pressed Johnson for his “rational” policy reasons for voting for DOMA back in 1998, Johnson couldn’t come up with any. First he suggested that he was simply representing the will of his district when he voted to ban gay marriage. Then he offered some vague statements about his fondness for tradition. But pandering for the purposes of political survival is not a policy rationale, and neither is sentimentality. What Johnson never articulated was a coherent, heart-felt, logical explanation for his vote in favor of DOMA.

Perhaps you can see where I’m going with this. In the decision signed by Alexander, it is noted that “the rational basis standard is extremely deferential.” It is so deferential, in fact, that as long as a court can find that the legislature has enacted a law based on some “rational basis,” then the power of the legislature, in the words of the decision signed by Alexander, is “nearly limitless.”

What we have here, then, is a huge potential for a breakdown in our representative democracy, and in our system of checks and balances. Say, just hypothetically, that the Washington State Legislature is filled with people, like Johnson, who are making law based primarily on the tyranny of the majority in their districts. This would mean that if the majority in their districts has an irrational prejudice against homosexuals, then they vote their constituents’ prejudices, rather than working to moderate their constituents’ prejudices in the service of protecting minority rights. This would be a clear failure of representative democracy.

And say, just hypothetically, that this legislature passes a ban on gay marriage, even though legislators are voting based on prejudice rather than on legitimate policy concerns. And then say, hypothetically, that this ban is challenged, and it comes before the state Supreme Court. Here is another, and perhaps the final, opportunity for a check on the tyranny of a prejudiced majority. But say the court feels it has to defer to whatever rationale the legislature has offered, even if it is a demonstrably incoherent rationale based on false notions. Well, if the court feels this way, then game over.

I asked Alexander to tell me what “rational basis” he believed the legislature had used to ban gay marriage. He couldn’t. I asked him if he would defer to the legislature if it decided to pass a law stating that the sun revolves around the earth, and if that law then was challenged in his court. I called the law the “Pre-Copernican Awareness Act,” or something like that, and pointed out that there’s even a certain rationale for believing the sun revolves around the earth (I mean, it sure looks like it does when you’re standing on the earth looking up at the sky). Alexander said such a law would never be upheld.

Exactly, I told him. And often, prejudice against homosexuals seems to be based upon precisely the kind of faulty reasoning that led people to believe the earth was the center of the universe. It’s a reasoning based on gut feeling rather than on open-minded inquiry. I feel like the center of the universe, therefore the sun revolves around me. I feel a revulsion toward homosexuality, therefore homosexuals shouldn’t be able to get married.

“I’m feeling pretty uncomfortable about this,” Alexander replied. He worried out-loud that we were attempting to change his mind on this issue—a sign that perhaps his mind was beginning to change?

I come from a family with its share of lawyers, so I don’t expect a lawyer, least of all the Chief Justice of a state supreme court, to out-and-out admit to faulty reasoning. But as we were having this exchange, Alexander looked to me like someone quite trapped by the rarefied legal circles in which he moves, and by the rules that prevented him from discussing the DOMA case outside of the supreme court chambers while it was being deliberated. He suggested as much during our interview, saying he was glad to be out of the “ivory tower,” talking to people who made him feel “humbled” (whether by the power of his position, or by his difficulty in explaining his reasoning, I don’t know). And in response to my suggestion that his “deference” to the legislature, if it went so far as to describe irrational laws as rational, would end up representing an abrogation of his responsibility to act as a check on legislative power, Alexander finally said:

“I can see how someone would make that argument.”


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Poor guy.

Look at it this way: fifty years from now, when Dan's son is an old man, when you look up "homophobic dinosaur" on Wikipedia, Gerry Alexander's picture is going to be there.

Bring back slavery. Why is slavery against the law? C'mon, you know you want to. It's in the Bible. C'mon. Bring back slavery.

Regarding your "pre-Copernican awareness act" example, I'd have to say there isn't any constitutional basis on which a court could overturn such a law. The right decision would be to let it stand.

The fact that you think it's the job of the court to overturn laws simply because they are bad, wrong, or foolish indicates a fundamental misunderstanding of the role of the judiciary and just what limits on legislative power the state and federal constitutions impose. Here's a hint: there is no clause that says "the legislature may not pass laws that are mean and stupid".

But it does have standards. The decision shit on the standards. The justifications for the decision were malformed and wrong. The rights of man are not set by the votes of the legislature.

Can ANYONE at The Stranger tell me why they think court-mandated rulings are the preferred way to achieve gay marriage? Don't you realize this is exactly the sort of thing that antagonizes people and moves them against the court (and in this case) against gay marriage? Why not try to achieve your goal through the democratic process instead? That's what the legislature is for.

FNARF, you're completely wrong. The judiciary doesn't get to create a world where ambiguous notions of "the rights of man" delineate their thinking. They must work within the framework of existing laws.

Rational basis doesn't mean any basis. "Rational" means reasoned, or logical. I think the Court was wrong when it said the legislature had a rational basis for permitting some people to get married and some not, primarily because I have never heard a rational basis for such discrimination actually described. Instead the arguments either faith-based, which the state should not recognize, nonsense about tradition, or about procreation, as though allowing gay marriage is going to affect decisions concerning heterosexual marriage. Are we worried that out in Eastern Washington couples will be saying "Now that them gays can get married, I just don't feel like gettin' married. Let's just shack up in the double-wide." I think not. That being said, I think Justice Alexander was extremely reluctant to have the court do something this controversial by judicial fiat over the express wish of the legislature.


That being said, you have to appreciate that Alexander showed some moxie in showing up for his interview the day after the opinion came out. Plus, its James Johnson's opinion that really stands out as malevolent. He analogized gay marriage to polygamy. He even seemed to imply there might be a constitutional issue if the legislature changed the traditional definition of marriage. If Groen wins, he would be right there with Johnson and Sanders. Plus, you can kiss the Growth Management Act goodbye if the BIAW manages to buy a majority on the court, and they would be mighty close if Groen and S. Johnson are elected. So I hope The Stranger takes the pragmatic course, as Dan Savage has in the Casey-Santorum race, and backs Alexander.

Why am I left with the abiding belief that Alexander, despite all the arguments that must have been thrown up during the DOMA case, Just Did Not Get the fact that queer families have real live children?

Good on you for making him uncomfortable. Let's hope it really sticks for the next time he has to make a decision affecting gays and their families.

Barry> the answer to your question is because even in liberal WA, there is a dependable majority that would vote against legalizing gay marriage whether it be by referendum or by the legislature. Look how long it took to get the Gay Civil Rights bill passed. Gay marriage activists know if they wait around for the voters to catch up to the 21st century, they will be waiting a LONG time. Should the civil rights movement of the 60s tried to achieve their goal "through the democratic process instead"?

If you look at Romer v. Evans (517 US 620), you'll see that SCOTUS has not said that rational basis is an 'anything goes' test. In that case, the court found that Colorado's constitutional amendment banning laws that prevent discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation was unconstitutional under rational basis scrutiny. The court held that the reasoning put forth by the state for the law, was bunk-the only basis for such an amendment was prejudice, and that prejudice is never a rational basis for laws.

Justice Kennedy wrote: "Its sheer breadth is so discontinuous with the reasons offered for it that the amendment seems inexplicable by anything but animus toward the class that it affects; it lacks a rational relationship to legitimate state interests."

Of course, back then we didn't have the current selection of ass clowns sitting on the court.

I am firmly of the belief that State Supreme Court justices should serve one term only. Too long in the hermetically (sp?) sealed Temple of Justice breathing their own fumes allows these people to become unmoored from social reality. The first President Bush lost his re-election bid in no small part because during a photo op at a retail store he asked the clerk what a barcode scanner was. No, we don't have term limits on justices. But we would be doing ourselves and those who come after us a big favor by seriously considering voting for challengers to incumbents.

...tell me why they think court-mandated rulings are the preferred way to achieve gay marriage?

Equal recognition of gay marriages are the proper purview of a fair and impartial judiciary because the injustice gay families suffer now is a result of a tyranny of the majority. Only the judiciary could have set right the wrongs caused by the prejudice of a representative legislature. The court failed to do its job.

...this is exactly the sort of thing that antagonizes people and moves them against the court (and in this case) against gay marriage?

So you're saying "we had it coming," right? Bullshit. People aren't bigots because they are antagonized by the targets of their bigotry.

Why not try to achieve your goal through the democratic process instead? That's what the legislature is for.

A representative legislature unchecked allows for a tyranny of the majority. The judiciary is supposed to serve as a check on that potential abuse of power. An unpopular minority will never be served by a representative legislature.

And apparently we will never be served by a representative judiciary either.

Mike in MO: The fact that you compared gay marriage to the civil rights struggle of the 60s shows exactly what's wrong with gay marriage supporters. Would I like to see gays be able to marry? Definitely. But let's not say their lack of access to marriage is at all congruent to blacks being jailed, beaten, killed, and denied voting rights.

No offense, but I really hoped you talked to these judges about something besides the DOMA ruling.

Since the Republican takeover of Congress and the W. Bush presidency the government has lost significant ground in the checks and balances system. Similar problems are bleeding over into the states where the judicial branch is becoming more of a "yes-man" to the governing majority.

As far as term limits are concerned, check out the wonderful state legislature in California and how successful it's been since term limits were enacted. Why should legislators be accountable to voters when they don't face re-election? And then there's the new system of having a family member or trusted ally take over the seat. Or just keep running for different positions to stay in office of some kind or another.

Eli,

I was trying to explain to someone the other day why I felt the ruling was so wrong but I couldn't articulate it the way you did. If this ruling sets a precedent for the judicial branch to defer to the legislative branch regardless of the plausability of the rationale...minorities are fucked.

The arguments mostly miss the legislative and judicial point. One premise of the argument the majority opinion gives a nod to is something like.

1) The state has an interest in promoting the integrity of biological families.

Another premise is:

2) The state involves itself in matrimony to the extent that it has justifiable interest in doing so.

Premise 1 seems to be the contentious one, so how plausible is it? Pretty plausible I think. It's not that biological families are better, it's that ultimately every child comes from biological parents. Orphanage is general considered a bad thing, in spite of all the quaint foundling stories that dot world litterature. So the prevention of orphanage by promoting biological families seems to be a valid interest.

Now perhaps the state should have an interest or should acknowledge an interest in promoting families in general. After all if orphanage is bad, the inability to place children in families of any kind is at least just as bad.

But that's for the legislature to decide. The court basically has said that if the legislature wants to be anti-family to the extent of worrying only about orphan creation and not about the general welfare of children, it can do that. Nothing forces the legislature to take the interests of all children into consideration.

What we need, I think, is a Defense of Children Act that promotes any sort of arrangement that improves the lot of kids separated from those that bred them.

Do Right Wing Fundi's speak in code? If you think "YES", then this phrase is straight out of "America is God's Chosen Country"... in court document form...
...survival of the human race...


that statement seems awfully pompous... THE WHOLE HUMAN RACE...

First, does Common Law make any claims to protect the WHOLE HUMAN RACE, the entire world as it were? Wouldn't Civil Law countries, for one, disagree? (I think they would). A Fundi actually would say that Bibical Law does claim to protect THE WHOLE HUMAN RACE on a level.

Odd how the intent of Bibilical Law made its way into a Common Law document, but one of the authors of the document danced around the documents logical intent when given the chance to go on media record.

Perhaps he is saving that gold nugget for his memiors?

Second, don't I and every single solitary one of my fellow human brothers and sisters have a say if we want the WHOLE HUMAN RACE to survive, without being so judically advised? In a seperate issue "survival, race, human, abortion, wrong" are words often included in a single sentence/thought/dogma. It seems like the majority on the Supreme C would disagree that we have that as a right, since being able to choose if we want the human race to survive through family units not based in Bibical reverence should never, ever, never be an option.


So what's next on the Right's Final Days Countdown? Some sort of The Handmaid's Tale sort of supreme court enforced breeding program to ensure survival of the human race...

Barry: the civil rights movement in the 60s was not about protecting blacks from being beaten or killed. It was about -- get this -- their CIVIL RIGHTS. Most of those rights are common, ordinary little day-to-day things that we take for granted. The iconic example is which drinking fountain to use.

Gay marriage is not just about "ooh, I want to be married too, that looks so neat!". It's about the long list of ordinary rights and privileges that are awarded BY THE STATE on the basis of marriage: contractual rights.

To say "hey, you silly fag, you're not being beaten or killed, so shut the fuck up about your rights" is bullshit.

The reasons to overturn DOMA are explicit in the state and federal constitutions. This decision was closely argued on specific points that are, simply, wrong. But more than that, civil rights are being withheld. The "activist judges" are the ones who made up the BS about the children in their majority decision.

@Kinaidos: But the problem is DOMA doesn't change anything with respect to biological families. Heteros could get married before DOMA, and they could get married afterward. Now, if DOMA included a statement along the lines of "if gays got married, fewer heteros would get married. Hetero marriages are in the interest of the state, thus gay marriages are banned", then, yes, I think the Court would have to defer to the Legislature (as messed up as that would be). The Court can't really second-guess the legislature's fact-finding or reasoning. But as it stands, the Legislature just said, "marriage is for heteros, and this protects kids". There really is no rational basis for DOMA as it stands.

@Fnarf: It's no slavery, but I think discrimination against blacks is now legal, thanks to Justice Madsen's horrible opinion-writing. Blacks normally are a "suspect" class, meaning a statute that prejudices blacks must withstand "strict scrutiny" analysis (versus lower "rational basis" standard). But Madsen denied homosexuals "suspect" class status because she found they had "political power" as evidenced by the recent enactment of the anti-discrimination statute. Blacks also have "political power" because there is an anti-discrimination statute protecting them. Thus, we can now have a statute stating that blacks cannot marry each other.

Fnarf- and the Civil Rights movement of the '60's succeeded in getting laws passed by Congress, not enacted by fiat by the Supreme Court- and it did so in the face of significant public indifference and opposition.

The gay community just doesn't want to enter into a dialog nor listen to the broad middle whom they need to convince- yes, CONVINCE.

The "attitude" and the habit of just making demands isn't going to get you anywhere.

FNARF and David S's comments about the tyranny of the majority highlight the real problem with the court's decision: its conclusion that sexual orientation was not a "suspect" classifaction (like race, national origin, etc.) because being gay is not an "immutable trait."

The legislature is regularly engaged in the buisness of classifying and discriminating--most laws do this (e.g., lower tax rates for airplane manaufacturers than other manuafacturers; property tax breaks for seniors). Courts are very deferential with respect to classifications that don't involve the majority tyrannizing suspect classifications. If the court had concldued that gays and lesbians were members of a suspect class, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Captain Wierd: I'm confused. Are you saying that Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, Kans. took place in Congress? Loving v. Virginia? Fascinating.

Wright:
I share your critique of the "pre-Copernican awareness act" comparison because it doesn't address the question at hand in a "rational basis" case. My understanding is that the rational basis test is used when freedoms or property of individuals (and corporations are now treated as "individuals") will be diminished by a law.

A law about Copernican awareness as described doesn't on its face relate to such values. However, a law that is "mean" is very likely to do so, say for example a law that required people canvasing for environmental groups to wear a huge red "E" on their chest, or better yet, big red clown shoes. A republican legislature might wish to do so, but I can't think of a rational basis for such a law. It would just be plain mean and discriminatory. No way it would survive a legal challenge. But what about a law that required all sidewalk espresso stands to have a 64 sq ft refrigerator for milk (4x4x4 inside diameter)? I know there is a smaller refrigerator now required, but I bet the larger one would be hard to support in court even if Starbucks and Tully's wanted it. But if the court really hated the presence of sidewalk espresso stands they might find a rational basis for such a large refrigerator based on unspecific "deference" to legislature. That is what this DOMA decision looks like to me, not only unspecific deference to legislature, but deference to gut-felt prejudices of one group regarding another.

ALSO: the problem some posters are having is understanding that gays are not a protected [minority] class under the US constitution as members of a religious or ethnic group are. Laws particularly affecting these classes requre a much mor stringent standard than mere rational basis. Gays as a class are treated at best, and I'm ignoring the worst here, as a kind of club, like stamp collectors. This is why the Court decision went out of its way to completely sidestep the issue of discrimination based on gender, because gender is a protected category and they would not have been able to apply a rational basis test in this off the cuff way to discrimination based on gender.

I may have my understanding all mixed up but oh well...

I'm curious what Cpt. Weird thinks he needs to be convinced about, and why he belives that is germane to a discussion about minority rights.

Weird: if you're having a hard time getting gay people to talk to you, it probably isn't the fault of "the gay community." Look within.

Standards of review in constitutional law are all about presumptions. If the court applies the rational basis test, then it's getting out of the way and letting the legislature do its thing. In effect, it is saying that if there is any rational basis that the legislature could find, then the court is not going to meddle.

Conversely, when the a court applies the Strict Scrutiny standard, the presumption is the reverse, and things are usually almost defacto unconstitutional.

Here's what the wikipedia has to say about it:


To pass strict scrutiny, the law or policy must satisfy three prongs. First, it must be justified by a compelling governmental interest. While the Courts have never brightly defined how to determine if an interest is compelling, the concept generally refers to something necessary or crucial, as opposed to something merely preferred. Examples include national security, preserving the lives of multiple individuals, and not violating explicit constitutional protections.




Second, the law or policy must be narrowly tailored to achieve that goal or interest. If the government action encompasses too much (over-inclusive) or fails to address essential aspects of the compelling interest (under-inclusive), then the rule is not considered narrowly tailored. Finally, the law or policy must be the least restrictive means for achieving that interest. More accurately, there cannot be a less restrictive way to effectively achieve the compelling government interest, but the test will not fail just because there is another method that is equally the least restrictive. Some legal scholars consider this 'least restrictive means' requirement part of being narrowly tailored, though the Court generally evaluates it as a separate prong.


Legal scholars, including judges and professors, often say that strict scrutiny is "strict in theory, fatal in fact," because most laws that are subject to that highest standard are struck down. One exception is the Supreme Court's widely criticized opinion in Korematsu v. United States, upholding as constitutional the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II.

Historically, Strict Scrutiny has been applied in ony a few contexts, like racial discrimination. Even gender discrimination doesn't typically get strict scrutiny (the Court created a new intermediate scrutiny for that). That's why losing the ERA was a big deal. Had that constitutional amendment passed, it would have clarified that legislation regulating gender was to receive strict scrutiny. So it would have made it more difficult to discriminate on this basis.

As for the Romer case, I think the facts are pretty distinguishible from this one. While both at some level involve gay rights, the Colorado statute was much more draconian, because it would have deprived gay and lesbian citizens of the ability to petition the legislature for protection of their civil rights (it banned the state legislature and municipal governments from even passing gay civil rights legislation). It also would have invalidated existing gay rights legislation in places like Boulder, Colorado.

In effect, I think the Court in Romer struck down the Colorado amendment using the Rational Basis test, because it concluded that there can be no rational basis for taking that many of a citizen's civil rights away based on sexual orientation. The Colorado amendment effectively said that Gays couldn't even go into court or to the legislature and challenge their treatment, which is much different than saying you can't get married.

As Kennedy explained:


Its sheer breadth is so discontinuous with the reasons offered for it that the amendment seems inexplicable by anything but animus toward the class that it affects; it lacks a rational relationship to legitimate state interests.

In effect he said "pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered."

In the DOMA case, we're not talking about denying gays all the rights of citizenship. We're talking about denying them the rights related to marriage. While I don't agree with the rationale for denying them these rights, this is a much more limited denial than what they were trying to accomplish in Colorado. As a result, it's much easier to construct a reasonable basis for the restriction (which is what the court did--heterosexual marriage promotes the family that's why we have it). This rationale need not be objectively verifiable. I think state spending is good for the economy. A lot of conservatives think it isn't . But if the legislature passes a spending bill, the court isn't going to overturn it, just because there are counterarguments out there about why the spending is a bad idea. The court applies rationale basis and defers to the legislature. The court did the same thing here.

FYI, here's the text of the Colorado amendment:


Neither the state of Colorado, through any of its branches or departments, nor any of its agencies, political subdivisions, municipalities or school districts, shall enact, adopt or enforce any statute, regulation, ordinance or policy whereby homosexual, lesbian or bisexual orientation, conduct, practices or relationships shall constitute or otherwise be the basis of, or entitle any person or class of persons to have or claim any minority status, quota preferences, protected status or claim of discrimination. This Section of the Constitution shall be in all respects self-executing.

Kind of pretty different deal. For better or worse, it seems like it's much more effective in our system to discriminate in dribs and drabs rather than with blanket scorched earth approaches like the Colorado Amendment.

Finally, I think it is very important to distinguish the history of the black civil rights fight from this situation. Not because both situations don't have merit, but because they took place in very different historical and legal contexts.

Until after the Civil War, we didn't have a 13th, 14th, and 15th amendment to the constitution. So the constitutional rules governing race discrimination were different. After these amendments were passed, they unambiguously established the intent that race discrimination was a constitutionally protected category (i.e., worthy of strict scrutiny). And even still, it took 20 years to get from there to Plessy v. Fergusson, and then another 50 to get to Brown vs. Board of Ed. If you read about the NAACP legal defense team and the strategy they had for fighting discrimination in the courts, you'll see that it took a long time.

Anyway, I 'm very disappointed with this decision, but I'm not particularly surprised by it.

Typically, the courts want to stay out of the way of this stuff and make people work it out in the legislature. So if they can find a reasonable justification for doing that, they will. That's what they did here.

If that Washington gay civil rights law was an amendment to the state constitution, this case would have come out differently, because then it would have been much more unambiguous that the court was bound to apply strict scrutiny.

I know it's a tough hit. They spent 3 years of law school presenting us with cases like this, where the formal logic of the decision leads to what seems to be the wrong outcome on the facts.

The important thing to remember is that the same logic that allows them to validate the DOMA, is also what will keep the Washington gay civil rights legislation from being struck down. You can bet your ass there are a lot of right wingers out there who can find no rational basis for that legislation. But as far as I can tell, there hasn't been much talk about trying to challenge its constitutionality. That's why they tried to get the referendum on the ballot to repeal the law.

maybe Alexander "voted" this way so he would win his re-election, or does everyone already think that? kind of like Casey not taking Dan's money so that he would appeal to the prudes. Alexander judged the way he did so the prudes would vote for him. And it sounds like his right-wing opponent is a nut. So maybe overall this might for the greater good, but I still can't really excuse any of the justices for not striking down the ban.

J-LON:
Thanks for your comment explaining what I wished I could explain in my comment.

J-lon, your post is excellent.

I still think the WA supremes failed to come to grips with the meaning of the word "or" in the "suspect class" argument. I think they're third-rate. And I think Audrey's point is very apropos.

Bob has it right -- sexual orientation needs to be considered a "suspect" class deserving of heightened protection. Madsen's analysis of this issue is horribly flawed because she totally misstated the test for making that determination (eg, "gays have political power because they got an anti-discrimination statute enacted!" Um, hello? So does every other minority "suspect" class. Anti-discrimination statutes are there to protect those *without* political power.). Inclusion as a suspect (or semisuspect) class is the key to overturning DOMA-type legislation. The rational basis review is just too tough a hurdle.

"To say "hey, you silly fag, you're not being beaten or killed, so shut the fuck up about your rights" is bullshit."

BINGO!

"To say "hey, you silly fag, you're not being beaten or killed, so shut the fuck up about your rights" is bullshit."

BINGO!

JLON: Theere are a number of legal problems with your post. While you are correct that the Federal Courts have applied strict scrutiny in only a few instances (e.g., racial discrimination), they *have* clearly applied heightened scrutiny to the restriction of fundamental rights (e.g., the privacy cases). Marriage has long been recognized in federal law as a fundamental right. So the restriction on marriage here should have triggered heightened scrutiny (if as the Washington court said, they were following the federal standard). Clearly under heightened scrutiny the marriage law fails. Even if you concede the importance of the interests that the state has identified, there is no way that the law is tailored (either narrowly or more generously) to achieve them.

And I would argue that there is no rational basis either. Quite simply people do not enter straight marriages rather than gay partnerships because of the benefits granted by the state. That is the only question here. It is not whether the state can offer benefits to opposite sex couples, it is whether the state has a rational baisis for excluding same-sex couples from marriage. When you ask that, it becomes clear that the biological reasons offered and the "benefit to children" argument simply are not related *at all* to the state's restriction. They just don't line up.

Moreover it is no argument that the discrimination at issue in Roemer was so much more serious (complete exclusion from the political process and the courts) that same-sex couples cannot ask for redress in this instance. The question is the rational basis (or lack of one) for the state's act. There is no "void for meanness" doctrine. Here the discrimination is arbitrary and lacks any rational basis.

Finally, its quite wrong to imply that we should be grateful because the Court will not strike down the anti-discrimination law either. There *is* a rational basis for enacting anti-discrimination laws. The state has a legitimate interest in preventing discrimination against its citizens or by its citizens on the basis of actual or perceived characteristics, such as sexual orientation, in all kinds of contexts: work, housing, commercial relations, etc. A law preventing such discrimination bears a rational relation to that purpose. Game over.

That's not what we have with the marriage ban. It's a shame that you don't see the difference between prejudice and bigotry on the one hand and rational state action on the other.

This post makes it clear that DOMA was a tough decision for Alexander. Not tough at all for John Groen. His history is as far right as they come on this issue and all others. I do hope that the Stranger did ask questions of these two judicial candidates other than DOMA.

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