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Tuesday, October 21, 2008

The Enemy

posted by on October 21 at 10:59 AM

Not her personally, of course. Just the stupidity and close-mindedness that she so ably personifies.

Via Sullivan.

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"even if it (a vote for McCain) is a vote against your husbands livelihood as a machinist?

-the lord will take care of us."

Precisely the infallibility at which point the argument ends.


Posted by Non | October 21, 2008 11:04 AM

The lord won't take care of you if you vote for McCain you stupid bitch.

Posted by monkey | October 21, 2008 11:07 AM

The Lord hasn't helped her deal with her donut addiction.

What a stupid fucking cunt.

Posted by AMB | October 21, 2008 11:08 AM

Actually, you're kind of fucked.

Posted by The Lord | October 21, 2008 11:09 AM

Absentee voting from Tatooine?

Posted by alex | October 21, 2008 11:09 AM

That's my sister.
And my mother.
And my grandmother.
And my Aunt.
Need I go on?

I was brave enough to come out of the closet to these people, but none of them know I'm an athiest.

Yeah, I'm a pussy.

So many people think these people are "crazy." They're just simple and religous. Everything is God's will and that's that. As long as they get to heaven when they die, why should anything or anyone else concern them?

There's no logic, no reason, and anyone who thinks otherwise is "elitist" and un-American.

My family refuses to talk politics with me, and that hurts.

Posted by bucket | October 21, 2008 11:16 AM

Yes, her personally. She is an enemy to me. Not because she support McCain, but because she disrespects and attempts to devalue my religious views (atheism).

Posted by Trouble | October 21, 2008 11:17 AM

That's right, "he knows what the right decision is." To vote for Obama and divorce your stupid ass.

Posted by Anon | October 21, 2008 11:23 AM

She looks so certain, but she's absolutely terrified. And terrifying.

Posted by Fnarf | October 21, 2008 11:26 AM

OMG look at that vacuous hose-bag...

words fail.

I look forward to the day that an atheist is in the White House.

Posted by Jeremy from Seattle | October 21, 2008 11:26 AM

@5 beat me to it. Egads!

Posted by Eric Grandy | October 21, 2008 11:27 AM

Religion ruins everything and makes people stupid.

Posted by Explorer | October 21, 2008 11:31 AM

Hate to break the Bad News to this ignorant, deluded religious fanatic, but "the Lord" doesn't exist, so she can pray to her heart's content; but, there ain't NOBODY out there sitting on a golden throne in Heavenland listening intently for her supplications.

Posted by COMTE | October 21, 2008 11:32 AM

I can't even pick a representative quote, but how about the fact that she latches onto Obama's "atheist mother," for starters. Shouldn't Christodouchebags be celebrating people who manage to throw off the shackles of rationality and embrace their mythology?

What 7 said. She is indeed my enemy and the enemy of any rational person, as she states pretty clearly.

Posted by Levislade | October 21, 2008 11:32 AM

Her subtext is screaming that she knows she's wrong, that she knows other people think she's stupid, that she knows her beliefs haven't saved her time and time again -- but she doesn't know and doesn't have anything else.

This is a woman that the progressive agenda has forgotten and failed. A woman the right-wing has courted and cajoled. It can't be a surprise that she is in their camp.

The answer isn't to attack. The answer is to give her a reason to be on the right side. Until then, she'll go with the only thing she knows.

Posted by whatevernevermind | October 21, 2008 11:32 AM

sometimes I wish that there really was a hell so idiots like this could go there.

Posted by angel | October 21, 2008 11:33 AM

that woman is anti-American.

Posted by onion | October 21, 2008 11:34 AM

And apparently The Lord would never let one of his flock be named in anything other than a good Amurken (read "white") name. The name Obama proves he's a filthy infidel.

This is the evil of religion: the fact that it allows idiots and bigots to drape themselves in "religion" to justify their lack of understanding and hatred.

Posted by Al | October 21, 2008 11:34 AM

Ok, guys, the appropriate response to this is not "she's full of shit, her god doesn't exist" (which may well be true), but rather "how dare she impose her values on everyone else?" I'm perfectly happy with her going to heaven and all that, and if her religion gives her comfort, I'm not about to turn her into an atheist.

You see, that's the difference between us and them. We're just fine with letting them be, so long as they keep to themselves. But we don't tolerate them fucking shit up for the rest of us. That's where we need to draw the line, and comments about how stupid her religion is and how her god doesn't exist are missing the point.

Posted by David | October 21, 2008 11:38 AM

Methinks she's bitterly clinging to religion.

Posted by DOUG. | October 21, 2008 11:40 AM

This woman has Religious Extremist Syndrome.

Posted by AK | October 21, 2008 11:40 AM

@15 --I'd say her subtext is that she's wide-eyed bat-shit terrified.

To watch that video is to stare into the deep blood-red abyss of Muddle America. I know, I grew up in Idaho.

This is what we're up against, kiddies. And imagine how much crazier these folks are going to get if Obama gets into office.

Posted by Andy Niable | October 21, 2008 11:43 AM

Thanks, David - well put.
I guess my point was that it's not always "us" and "them"

In my case, and the case of countless others, "them" are the people we love and care about, and it hurts that "them" refuse to listen to the opinion of "us" - their friends and family.

It's not going to be easier after the election, either.

Posted by bucket | October 21, 2008 11:45 AM

That sad irony is that McCain is practically an atheist while Obama is deeply spiritual and religious. Fortunately for all Americans (including those of us who are not at all religious), Obama's faith is more of the "helping the less fortunate" stripe than the "condemn the infidels" variety.

Posted by RS | October 21, 2008 11:45 AM

What this sack of stupid doesn't realize is that up until he secured the nomination, McCain was pretty apathetic about religion. He is using this woman and she's too blind to see that.

The racist and religiously intolerant subtext of her comments made my blood boil though. There is simply no reasoning with ignorance as potent as hers. She's become so corrupted by FoxNews and religiously-based hate-speech that she is no longer capable of thinking for herself. People like her can't die off quickly enough.

Posted by T | October 21, 2008 11:46 AM

The worst part is not the stupidity or close-mindedness but her infuriating arrogance.

Posted by Dubcek | October 21, 2008 11:47 AM

entitled cunt

Posted by kelly | October 21, 2008 11:48 AM

Yeah, I'm go ahead and guess her momma dropped her a few (dozen) times.

Posted by inferno | October 21, 2008 11:49 AM

It doesn't bother me that she lives her life according to her faith. What bothers me is her assumption that John McCain is more of a man of faith than Barack Obama. McCain evidences zero religious conviction (a la his hero Reagan) and is a known adulterer. Which one is the man of faith here?

If she can accept Paul's conversion on the road to Damascus, she can believe that a man born from an atheist and a Muslim can find Christianity. The *only* excuse is racism.

Posted by Big Sven | October 21, 2008 11:50 AM

I hope The Lord goes all Job on her ass.

And those eyes? Pure crazy.

Posted by keshmeshi | October 21, 2008 11:53 AM

i wonder how her husband can bear to sit next to her let alone listen to her. it must be her cooking.
.. wait i just remembered. according to her 'faith', she's supposed to be submissive to him. so if he told her to vote obama, she'd have to and then pray that the lord will work things out. in fact if he just slugged her, then...

Posted by reverend dr dj riz | October 21, 2008 11:54 AM

Next thing I'd ask this woman is, when has McCain proven himself in any way a fervent, fundamentalist Christian? Up until a few years ago, he made plenty of sly comments about the far right, only to finally sidle up to them when it was politically convenient; compare that to Obama's years of membership in a church. A church that you choose to disagree with because you prefer looking at its one fiery quote from cable news versus decades of service, community support, and fellowship.

That sort of ignorance and unwillingness to accept your Christian brothers and sisters? That's not the Christianity I know. That's not the Christianity that's in the Bible.

Posted by Sam M. | October 21, 2008 11:54 AM

Whatevernevermind @15,

Not gonna happen. There is nothing that progressives can do to reach this woman (and others like her). Some people are simply not reachable.

Her entire belief structure is based on her interpretation of a fictitious sky grandpa to the exclusion of all else. My entire belief structure is based on rational thought and science (as much as I am able), and an appreciation of diversity in many things. There is almost no middle ground between us. No way to reach across that isle.

And we shouldn't try. We only need to convince 51%. If enough people like her husband cross over, then it won't matter if she votes for McCain.

Posted by Reverse Polarity | October 21, 2008 11:55 AM

i'll disagree with dan only to say that she, personally, IS the enemy, of course.

Posted by thickturd | October 21, 2008 11:55 AM

one day it might be her and her type personally.

Posted by mnm | October 21, 2008 11:56 AM

I feel like I need a shower now.

Posted by kevin | October 21, 2008 11:57 AM

God will judge ALL of us for what we have said here today on this comments thread.

Posted by Jude Fawley | October 21, 2008 11:58 AM

It's so sad that America was founded by people fleeing religious intolerance, and now we're beating the extremists at their own game.

Posted by Lavode | October 21, 2008 11:59 AM

Fun pop-quiz to spring on types like this woman: ask them to name the church that Ronald Reagan attended as president?

After a few moments of stunned silence quietly and slowly inform them "he didn't attend one."

Ask them now what church McCain attends, see what they say...

Posted by Andy Niable | October 21, 2008 12:01 PM

@23 - Oh, I know. I've recently been in an intense e-mail back-and-forth with my mom, who lives in small-town eastern Kentucky with her fundamentalist values, listens to Rush Limbaugh every day, and watches exclusively Fox News. I've been largely silent and distant these last eight years, especially after a pre-Iraq War fight that ended in a shouting match.

I've learned a few things since then, one of which is to NOT be silent with loved ones who think this way. They get their information from a small handful of carefully controlled sources and seldom encounter opposing arguments for their opinions. Firmly and respectfully making your case is the way to go. Draw a line that lets them know it's OK to be conservative or Christian (because these are not battles you're going to win), but gently points out how un-Christian and un-conservative these ideas really are. Fight the battle on their turf. Quote the Bible: Mark 10:21 and Matthew 22:16-21 really sting. And stare them down: listening to Rush Limbaugh is NOT acceptable. Watching Fox News is NOT acceptable. You can agree to disagree, but you cannot allow them entertaining the idea that liberals are terrorists, or that Obama wants to let Louis Farrkhan rewrite the constitution. The choice is between you and that hate-filled right-wing propaganda. Ultimately, even these people have a shred of humanity buried deep down there. Dig it out and pit it against the hate, and let them try and reconcile that.

Posted by David | October 21, 2008 12:02 PM

She wants to live in a religious nation. She doesn't believe in the separation of church and state.

I think that position is idiotic, but. . . fine. She just reminds me that it is very, very important that I and my friends VOTE.

Posted by violet_dagrinder | October 21, 2008 12:02 PM

and as my comment @ #31
..i'm not advocating violence against anybody, but i do wonder how people in her faith based system handle the abuse that occurs when you blindly submit to someone.

Posted by reverend dr dj riz | October 21, 2008 12:04 PM

her religion is fine. her faith is fine. her god is fine. her stubborn stupidity, and hell, even her big fat ass: all fine. FINE! BUT DOES SHE KNOW THAT ALL OF THAT FINE STUFF IS BEING EXPLOITED BY EVIL POLITICAL FORCES THAT DON'T GIVE A FLYING FRIED SHIT ABOUT HER? forget brainwashing by religion--SHE HAS BEEN BRAINWASHED BY REPUBLICANS. and it will be the end of us all.

Posted by adrian | October 21, 2008 12:10 PM

She is, of course, the enemy. Why pretend otherwise? These are the people who would gladly ship me and millions like me to the ovens.

Posted by Roscoe | October 21, 2008 12:11 PM


Posted by Vince | October 21, 2008 12:18 PM

@3 FTW

David - thank you, that's wonderful advice.

@43, No, actually we're winning. There's not much they can do about the way this country is shifting.

Posted by sepiolida | October 21, 2008 12:23 PM

Behold the face of the Taliban in America. Not the Taliban in Iraq, Not the Taliban in Afghanistan, Not the Taliban in Pakistan, but the Taliban in America.

You just happen to speak the same language as she does.

Posted by Sargon Bighorn | October 21, 2008 12:30 PM

@33 But why does she have that belief structure? And why does she think it's okay to want to force it on the entire country? She wasn't born thinking like that. She learned that.

How did she learn it? She learned it because she's spent her life only getting that one message. And that happened because the good guys didn't get their message to her in time, if ever.

The only reason you believe what you believe is because it works for you. What you believe could work for that woman, too, but she has no reason to believe it. Maybe she, specifically, is too far gone now, I don't know, but, again, whose fault is that?

I do know that if we treat her as if she was a worthwhile human being -- giving her the care and opportunities and freedom and equality we say we want everybody to have -- that would make it a hell of a lot harder for her to hate us.

Personally, I'm finished with this living in a 51% country thing. That's playing the corporate masters game. I want to ruin it for the corporate masters by refusing to hate those they've trained to hate us.

Posted by whatevernevermind | October 21, 2008 12:38 PM

@48 - Amen. It's time to stop being silent with the well-meaning right-wingers we know and talk to them, without preconditions. Just get them to the table, show them that, as a liberal, you don't eat babies for breakfast, and slowly but surely, they may just warm up to you.

Posted by David | October 21, 2008 12:41 PM


I'm not at all convinced people like this have EVER been "capable of thinking for [themselves]". It's always seemed to me that many of the people I've encountered who exhibit this sort of religious-mania have in fact, never been given the necessary critical-thinking skills required to question the assertions, motives, or goals of those whom they allow to exercise authority over them. And frankly, I'm not certain they'd have become critical thinkers even if they HAD been given the means to do so.

They're sheep, plain-and-simple, with no inclination or even desire to engage in independent thought; they want to be told what to do, how to think; they NEED the surety of someone taking the difficult decisions about morality and ethics out of their hands, and turning all the muddied gray complexity of life into neatly understandable black-and-white.

And they fucking scare the bejeebuz out of me sometimes.

Posted by COMTE | October 21, 2008 12:47 PM

Actually given the median still from the YouTube embed alone, she's *easily* THE ENEMY.

Holy shit she's panic attack inducing, even before pressing play.

Posted by mackro mackro | October 21, 2008 12:50 PM

@COMTE - Stop being scared! Strike the fear of the Lord into them! They may not be able to reason for themselves, but they at least need to learn to respect us. People like this woman deal in a lower-level, animal, predatory instinct. Where they smell fear, they smell prey. Like dealing with a mountain lion, you have to show them that you're neither a threat nor prey. Instill that respect and reciprocate with respect. Where they fail to respond to reason, we have to at least interact at an emotional level. Simply ignoring them and hoping they'll go away won't work anymore.

Posted by David | October 21, 2008 12:55 PM

Can anyone else see a 20-years-from-now Britney Spears?

Posted by stevehough | October 21, 2008 12:58 PM

She is bigotry embodied.

Posted by inkweary | October 21, 2008 1:09 PM

Dear God: Please strike this walking trash bag full of jello, with a bolt of lightning.

Also, hurricanes. WTF?

Thx God! Yer the best.

Posted by bl@ster | October 21, 2008 1:15 PM

It's people like this, which are pretty much the only Christians the media chooses to focus on, who give Christianity as a whole a bad name.

When the only criteria for electing the leader of the country, a country that claims to espouse freedom of religion (or lack of religion), is "Faith in the Lord", that's just pathetic. She can't articulate one issue where she favors McCain's point of view?

For the record, if any of you care, there are about twice as many Obama supporters (if not more) in my congregation than there are McCain supporters. Granted, we are a very small church in a very Republican city in the deep, deep South, but we are all talking about and thinking about the issues.

Though I have to admit, it makes me sad that so many of the high school and college students in the Sunday school class I teach support McCain, even if their parents don't. It isn't my place to persuade them politically, but I try to encourage them to research and think about the issues - and yes, to pray about it, too. But thinking always comes first, because, frankly, I believe intellect is a gift from God that should not be neglected. It's really sad that so many Christians don't hold that belief.

Posted by Sheryl | October 21, 2008 1:15 PM

@Everyone defending this woman:

I think there's something to be said for respecting opinions and for meeting people at their level, but when those people are acting against you and their own rational self-interest -- what are you supposed to do?

I don't think this woman is motivated by religious belief -- she's motivated by laziness, spite, and an unwillingness to think for herself.

How do you reach out to people who just want to drag everyone else down?

@48/29: I just don't think there's anything well-meaning about her. She's moving from a place of hate that's tarted up as religious piety.

Posted by Dawgson | October 21, 2008 1:24 PM

I spent 5 minutes screaming at my TV when I saw this hateful moron on NOW the other night.

Frankly, I'm just as mad now that I see her again.

From what I understand about Jesus (who probably looked a whole lot more Middle Eastern than Northern European, by the way) he most definitely would not approve.

Christ and the sincere and loving people who follow him can forgive this hateful piece of work, but I sure can't.

Posted by Mr. X | October 21, 2008 1:49 PM

Nope. Her personally. She is the enemy. The smugness, self-righteousness, blind certitude, UGH. She is satan in my religion.

Posted by Christy O | October 21, 2008 2:10 PM

"his last name is OBAMA" = ni**er.

her stupid undecided husband must fantasize every second of his life about escaping her massive, insane ass. lifting up her fat apron to fuck her must ratchet it up to unbearable. she's another god warrior.

dump her & embrace obama's mama's atheism, you pussy.

Posted by max solomon | October 21, 2008 2:17 PM

@56 - "I believe intellect is a gift from God that should not be neglected."

Nicely put. Though I'm not religious myself, I do wish more felt that way. I can understand honest differences of opinion, I just wish more people would think about and rationally defend their convictions.

Posted by RS | October 21, 2008 2:57 PM

@38: "we" were founded by the puritans. who were escaping because they were too religiously uptight and crazy (the word "puritan" as a pejorative about how intolerant and uptight they were).

Posted by Jessie | October 21, 2008 3:10 PM

Racist is racist, no matter how much Jesus scented Glade you spray around it.

Posted by Jenny Craig | October 21, 2008 3:30 PM


Thank you for clarifying that point.

The Puritans left Protestant England because they thought the Brits were too lax with their morals and they left Holland for essentially the same reason.

We are talking serious 'fun is bad, worship and blind allegiance to OUR sky grandpa is good' people here.

This dumb, bigoted, annoyingly racist woman would fit right in with that crwod.

Posted by Malcolm In Sydney | October 21, 2008 3:54 PM

Maybe this poor woman has just never read the Christian Bible.

On a Christian named Obama:

Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.
Colossians 3:11.

On a person born of an atheist and a Muslim who becomes a Christian:

"Rejoice with me; I have found my lost sheep." I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.

Luke 15:6-7.

On a man who leaves his wife and children for another woman:

Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her.

Mark 10:11.

Posted by wow | October 21, 2008 3:54 PM

I'm not sure which is scarier her bug-eyeed head bobbing or her obvious disregard for anyone who doesn't agree with her
stay the fuck out of other people's business

Posted by 4f...sake | October 21, 2008 4:22 PM

ugh! i'm not nearly as off put by this slug's narrow minded ignorance as i am by her abuse of the term 'christian.' she can call herself a republican, a know nothing, a nazi if she pleases, but please, she has no right to defame christianity with her stupidity. she wouldn't know a christian if one crawled up her leg and bit her fat ass.

Posted by jim filyaw | October 21, 2008 7:45 PM

i wanted to slap the stupid out of her after watching this. she perfectly epitomizes the tyranny of the obese.

Posted by scary tyler moore | October 21, 2008 8:52 PM

I'm with scary tyler moore. I'm not a violent person, but man. I just sort of want to punch her in the bug-eyes.

She is not even remotely embarrassed of her racism and bigotry.

Posted by Julie in Chicago | October 21, 2008 9:06 PM

Wow, I can't believe the visceral, violent reactions this woman has brought out. Maybe its because I don't live in America and so my country is not at stake, but I found that video hilarious. I still can't stop laughing.

@ "Wow" above, thank you. Now if only this poor woman had the brain-power to deal with the funny old-fashioned language of the first and second passages. I'll bet she wishes God would re-write the Bible in proper American so she could read it.

Posted by Rosie | October 22, 2008 9:40 AM

It is unfortunate that this woman has made a decision the grasp to her fear of the unknown. She clearly is a lamb being led to slaughter and does not even know it. If she could let go of some of the fear she might be able to lose some of of that extra weight...which is a clear indication that she is not a balanced individual. She is stuck and would rather accept what she is told with no thought or insight. I hope the best for her as she will soon see that her views are the of the minority.

Posted by Max B | October 22, 2008 11:03 PM

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