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Tuesday, October 7, 2008

And the Snap Polls Say…

posted by on October 7 at 20:06 PM

CNN: Obama won the debate, by a 24-point margin.

CBS: 40 percent say Obama won, 35 percent say it was a draw, 27 percent say McCain won.

Also making the rounds tonight, the non-handshake:

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Posted by clausti | October 7, 2008 8:10 PM
Posted by matt | October 7, 2008 8:12 PM

"THAT ONE" has it in the bag.

Posted by Madashell | October 7, 2008 8:13 PM


39 / 27/ 35 (not 25)

Posted by matt | October 7, 2008 8:14 PM

it's okay to start calling him President Obama.

Now, how many Senate seats will we get?
You need 60 out of 100 to get things passed. Perhaps it's time to "have a conversation about" those cloture rules which require 60 votes out of 100, to cut off debate and pass something.

Really. Why would we let 40 GOP senators who represent less than 40% of the population block President Obama's proposed legislation?

Posted by PC | October 7, 2008 8:19 PM

27 say McCain won, you mean?

Posted by Mr Fuzzy | October 7, 2008 8:22 PM

Eli, does "That One" = "Makaka?"

Posted by Jubilation T. Cornball | October 7, 2008 8:23 PM

AOL poll results favor Obama right now too:


Posted by Chris in Tampa | October 7, 2008 8:29 PM

I'm pretty sure they shook hands right as Tom Brokaw was reading his closing speech.

Posted by Judith | October 7, 2008 8:32 PM

"No, no, here, shake my wife's hand. She's a dirty enough cunt to touch you..."

Posted by sepiolida | October 7, 2008 8:34 PM

Actually, Obama was most insensitive because he knows McCain cannot shake hands with his right hand because of the POW injuries. I'm surprised that Wolf at CNN didn't mention that.

Posted by raindrop | October 7, 2008 8:37 PM

McCain's "that one" comment makes him look incredibly creepy.

Posted by Chris | October 7, 2008 8:37 PM

i switched to fox just to see the republican response...
and apparently mccain won the debate by 88%!


Posted by tiffany | October 7, 2008 8:38 PM

Raindrop, are you sure you aren't thinking of Bob Dole? It's hard to keep your elderly white faux-heroes straight.

In GOP land, all you have to do is crash a plane or get taken hostage to be a hero.

Posted by Voter | October 7, 2008 8:43 PM

McCain is not going to be able to live down "that one," and there is no way his campaign can spin it.

Posted by kerri harrop | October 7, 2008 8:45 PM

I sincerely hope that non-handshake was not as rude as it looked in that short clip. What kind of behavior is that from the possible future leader of the free world? I am appalled. Now maybe POWs don't shake hands or whatever, but still, McCain had to know that would be captured on tape, just like his "that one" comment. Has he given up?

Posted by Patricia | October 7, 2008 8:45 PM

Raindrop @11 - I've only seen the liveblogs, but didn't they shake hands at the beginning?

Posted by Bento | October 7, 2008 8:54 PM
Posted by AJ | October 7, 2008 8:54 PM

They shook hands right when the debate ended, but they were in front of the camera (this is right before brokaw says you're blocking my script).

Let's not be liberals and diffuse our anger. Focus on the "That One" comment.

Posted by jcricket | October 7, 2008 8:56 PM

Wow John, that was really un-American.

Posted by Sargon Bighorn | October 7, 2008 9:03 PM

I'm most open to direction on which parts of McCain's performance I may focus on or whether or not I have the okay to start calling him President Obama if you say it with my dick in your mouth. Otherwise, I'll do whatever the fuck I want. My main obsession is with Sarah Palin's fuckups, and in my spare time I wonder who the Trig's real mom is. By your leave.

Raindrop, how come when I go to Google images and search for 'mccain shaking hands' I see hundreds and hundreds of pictures of him shaking hands, with is right hand all normal like.

The one he is pictured shaking hands with most often is George W. Bush. Not sure if that means anything...

Posted by elenchos | October 7, 2008 9:08 PM

I don't think McCain tapped Obama on the shoulder at all, I think he was waving at someone on the other side. Cause a tap on the shoulder from McCain on Obama is just weird...

Posted by K | October 7, 2008 9:10 PM

McCain (talking about the "bomb iran" joke): "I say -- I was joking with a veteran -- I hate to even go into this. I was joking with an old veteran friend, who joked with me, about Iran."

Reality: He said it in his initial answer in a q&a session in front of a crowd:

Posted by stinkbug | October 7, 2008 9:24 PM

Maybe he had one of Bob Dole's pens.

Posted by Lloyd Clydesdale | October 7, 2008 9:25 PM

The "That One" comment is worth being offended by. McCain deserves to be called on it.

The handshake, or lack thereof, is a non-event. Maybe the camera just missed it. Maybe McCain spaced it off. There have been many occasions where I have forgotten to shake someone's hand at a social event, or I've stuck my hand out and miss-timed it, or inadvertently grabbed someone's hand awkwardly. It happens to everyone. Making a big deal out of it is stupid.

Pay attention to the important stuff, not the silly handshake.

Posted by Reverse Polarity | October 7, 2008 9:32 PM
Posted by cespool | October 7, 2008 9:35 PM

I had to miss it. Can someone describe the "that one" comment by McCain? In context.

Posted by Jonathan Golob | October 7, 2008 9:43 PM

Holy crap! I just found a clip on youtube of "that one."


Posted by Jonathan Golob | October 7, 2008 9:49 PM

Further proof McCain's mind is still in the '60s.

That boy took my love away,
He'll regret it someday,
But this boy wants you back again.

That boy isn't good for you,
Tho' he may want you too,
This boy wants you back again.

Oh, and this boy would be happy,
Just to love you, but oh my-yi-yi-yi,
That boy won't be happy,
Till he's seen you cry-hi-hi-hi.

This boy wouldn't mind the pain,
Would always feel the same,
If this boy gets you back again.
This boy. This boy. this boy.

Posted by Zander | October 7, 2008 9:50 PM

I didn't SEE it, but it was carried live on BBC Newsradio's "Up All Night." I don't buy into "win/lose" talk on these 'debates'--the 'winners' or 'losers' will be the American people at the end of the Administration of whoever wins the election--but I think each did a fair job of representing his position and making himself clear.

Posted by Seajay | October 7, 2008 9:52 PM

He can definitely shake with his right hand. The site has a pic of the two of them shaking at the beginning of the debate.

Something funny was going on there at the end.

Posted by Brad | October 7, 2008 9:53 PM

@ 11 and @19 are right I think--they were shaking hands while Brokaw was wrapping up--their handshake was what blocked Brokaw's view of the the screen. it was the cameraman who screwed this up. there is no way they would not have shaked (shaken? shooken?) hands.

Posted by fixo | October 7, 2008 10:18 PM

- they started to do a shake of sorts while Tom was ending the show. the shaking may have been interrupted.
- everyone went around shaking hands with the audience.
- mccain taps BO's back because he wanted BO to "meet" Cindy.
- Obama turns ahead and extends a hand to McCain.
- McCain mutters something about cindy and Obama turns to her and mccain finishes pointing towards her.
- Obama then is nice enough to shake the hand of the person who just earlier today claimed that BO has "waged the dirtiest campaign in American history."

It didn't seem like McCain did a major diss. Some people shake several times before leaving an event and BO may have been expecting that. But McCain just wanted BO to check out his foxy wife.

Posted by stinkbug | October 7, 2008 10:31 PM

I did wonder about the part where Mr Obama said he was "going to lower income tax for 95% of Americans." 2007 figures available from the Internal Revenue Service's Income Statistics Division show that only 67.4% of Americans pay any income tax. Perhaps he means 95% OF the 67%?

Posted by Seajay | October 7, 2008 10:36 PM


Oh, hey, Paul Constant broke the reply link on his post on SLOG.

The one where Republicans are tearing up their signs.

Save the wood - you're going to need it this winter until January 21 rolls around.

Posted by Will in Seattle | October 7, 2008 10:46 PM

I like how Slog commenters don't overanalyze stuff. Way cool.

Posted by Bob | October 7, 2008 10:50 PM

@34: I'm pretty sure he means to draw a line at the 95% income mark. If he said he was lowering taxes for 62% of Americans (your figure minus the top 5%) people would think he meant if the were doing just slightly better than average he would raise their taxes. Americans aren't particularly good at math, and most people seem to think they're doing slightly better than average.

It would perhaps be technically more accurate but the message would be completely lost.

Posted by flamingbanjo | October 7, 2008 10:59 PM

neither the handshake confusion nor the "that one" comment are of any major significance. just minor awkwardness.

it doesn't help to make a bunch of noise about something petty. focus on the big stuff, please.

Posted by zzzzz | October 7, 2008 11:01 PM

I hear one of McCain's houses is in Paraguay.

He's gonna need it.

Posted by Will in Seattle | October 7, 2008 11:04 PM

PC, cloture isn't going away and shouldn't be. In fact, the rule used to require a 2/3 supermajority to end debate in the Senate; in the 70's it was eased to 60 votes. It's an antidote to the way the House railroads stuff through (remember 1995?).

Pain in the ass when you're the majority, but important safeguard when you're not.

Posted by Joe M | October 7, 2008 11:15 PM

The "That One" comment is noteworty because John McCain is a known bigot.

Posted by UnCommonSense | October 7, 2008 11:36 PM

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