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Slutty or not Brent and Steve will last 6 months.

Posted by Andrew | September 22, 2008 1:06 PM

embarrassment to the movement, not advancement Dan.

Posted by Non | September 22, 2008 1:07 PM
Posted by Normal, sorta | September 22, 2008 1:12 PM

I know I keep mentioning my project here in the comments on Slog, but this seems worth mentioning:

A few weeks ago, I put out a call looking for married gay couples who'd like to be interviewed for a documentary. Nearly twice as many women responded as men. And of all the responders, there was a wide distribution across income levels and ethnicities.

So ... there you are.

Posted by mattymatt | September 22, 2008 1:18 PM

I never got the need for marriage. Most parts of the country you can lose your home, job simply for being gay. Shouldn't we focus more on discrimination that prevents us from keeping a roof over our heads and making a living. What good does getting married on the two coasts do if you can't get a job because you are a guy who likes cock?

Posted by Just keepin' it real | September 22, 2008 1:19 PM

Getting married on the coasts and living free means people living in oppressed areas of the country can move. Get a job where people appreciate your talents. Get a home where you can live your life in freedom. If enough people move away from those uglier parts of America, they will lose the talent they need to prosper. And fear will start to disappear.

Posted by Vince | September 22, 2008 1:32 PM

@6, Because EVERYONE can afford to move to the West Coast!!!

Posted by Andrew | September 22, 2008 1:42 PM

Will they be videotaping their wedding night?

Posted by NapoleonXIV | September 22, 2008 1:53 PM


Failed economies and a lack of exposure to diversity will lead to more tolerance?

Ever crack a history book?

Posted by W.T. Foxtrot | September 22, 2008 1:57 PM

Dan - If you are talking about the book "The Trouble with Normal," you are poorly representing it. It's been a few years since I read it, but I think I'll still try putting out a summary in its defense:

This book makes a simple argument. Every bit of it is very debate-able, (and I don't agree with all of it)... but this is what I remember:

1. Gay people have historically had partnerships and sex lives that the straight population envied. This is because their partnerships are open to greater interpretation and they can have sex simply for recreational purposes.

2. As gay people (and this fantastic exploration of relationships) have entered the mainstream consciousness, the straight population has benefited from this greater interpretation and sexual liberation.

3. Conservatives have been trying to quash this joyful movement by imposing the rigid standards of marriage and conformity into ALL relationships.

4. Conservative people interested in institutionalizing gay marriage are attempting to re-define the gay relationship as dull as the straight ones have historically been.

5. All liberated people (gay and straight) should reject the concept of marriage as a government institution and leave their relationships up to their own interpretation.

You're throwing the word "elitist" out there, and it is a dis-service to this book. The author uses "conservative."

As I mentioned, I'm not sure that I buy the argument, but the conclusion he reaches, is worth considering.

Posted by MEC | September 22, 2008 2:00 PM

@8, of course they will! It will be available in Falcon Video pack #45!!! Yours for just $49.95!!

Who says you can't be a whore and married at the same time!?!

Posted by Andrew | September 22, 2008 2:00 PM

Wow, one of my favorite boys to fap to (Brent) will now be a married lady. My head is spinning.

Posted by Gander | September 22, 2008 2:28 PM

Shouldn't we focus more on discrimination that prevents us from keeping a roof over our heads and making a living.

You'd think...but it's like treating measles with body paint to cover the rash. The problem is the animus toward homosexuality. Fighting for the right to marry directly and unconditionally confronts that.

And it's not like our enemies haven't turned every right we've ever fought for, from freedom from job discrimination to hospital visitation, into a fight over same-sex marriage. Oh no...we can't give the homosexuals would lead to same-sex marriage... Same sex marriage was the first thing they started bellyaching about after Lawrence v. Texas. Democrats that support equal employment opportunity for gay people, regardless of whether or not they support same-sex marriage, get "scare-groom" ads run against them. They try to turn everything into a fight over same sex marriage. They've been working that for decades.

Posted by Bruce Garrett | September 22, 2008 2:48 PM

The problem is the animus toward homosexuality. Fighting for the right to marry directly and unconditionally confronts that.

@13: And fighting for non-discrimination in, say, employment or housing doesn't confront it directly or unconditionally? Not sure I follow.

Posted by Matt | September 22, 2008 4:23 PM

Well congrats to them. I believe anyone who wants to get married should be able too. Wether they are sluts, trannys, conservatives, straight, homo.... whatever. I see marriage as being undefined by the way. Each couple should be able to define is as they see fit.

Posted by anthony | September 22, 2008 4:28 PM

You get marriage, you get everything else.

You can either fight for a thousand different things or you can fight for one thing that will give you those thousand things.

Marriage normalizes. Even some well-meaning straight people don't know exactly what a gay relationship is, or what a civil union is, or what a domestic partnership is, or how all these things differ or are the same. Everybody knows what marriage is.

Fight for marriage equality first in order to get the most vulnerable of us protected: people who can't visit their partner in the hospital, elders who lose their homes after their partner's death, the children of same-sex couples everywhere.

Once we have it, every LGBT person will benefit as change will come even more quickly. The fight will go on, but the fight gets easier with legally married LGBT couples in society, when a segment of the LGBT population is already on an equal footing at least in some ways.

It's a theory and it could be wrong, but the fight for marriage is here and now, so any argument is moot. Like it or not, this is our fight for equality. If it's not what you would have chosen, take solace in that winning it will still do at least some good, anyway.

Posted by whatevernevermind | September 22, 2008 5:00 PM

Of course it does, but not as effectively as marriage. Why? Because all of the hate-rhetoric directed at gays and lesbians is a strategy intended for this: To isolate us. To keep us alone. To prevent us from associating with each other. But marriage, by legally protecting g/l couples, by giving us the right to BE TOGETHER, strikes at the heart of that strategy, and that is why they fear it the most.

Posted by crazycatguy | September 22, 2008 5:59 PM

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