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Wednesday, August 20, 2008

What She Said

posted by on August 20 at 16:34 PM

Dana Goldstein:

Sebelius, of course, would be the bold, unconventional choice—very Obama. But by choosing a female running mate, Obama would, unfortunately, thrust the Hillary die-hards and their ever-more marginal discontentment back into the spotlight. That said, anyone who believes that only Hillary Clinton deserves to be the first female president or vice president doesn’t deserve the designation “feminist.” So I’d relish watching the reactions to a Sebelius nod, not only because such a choice would double down on Obama’s most effective message—”change”—but because it would reveal exactly which Clinton boosters are ready to widen the lens and enthusiastically support women’s leadership as such.

Via Sullivan.

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"bold & unconvential" is NOT "very obama".

dennis kucinich's smoking hot british wife would be "bold & unconventional".

but sibelius would be fine with me, because i don't give a fuck about VP.

Posted by max solomon | August 20, 2008 4:48 PM

Ann talks about this on Feministing, and she pulls the exact same quote:

She writes: "I think most former Hillary backers would not disappoint. Maybe that's because, in my personal experience, every woman I know who was a die-hard Hillary supporter would be really happy to see any liberal, pro-choice woman on the ticket with Obama."

Look, there are some women who were just really dedicated to HILLARY and they're never going to be happy if it's not her. Of course, it's those women who the media will be looking for if Sebelius gets the nom, so we'll hear a lot from THOSE Hillary supporters but I hardly think they'll be representative of even die-hard Hillary supporters. You may not know that from the media, though, which will seek out what it expects to hear and rebroadcast that.

Watch for it. Ain't truthiness grand?

Posted by exelizabeth | August 20, 2008 4:59 PM

Thank God.

Posted by Mr. Poe | August 20, 2008 5:04 PM

Do those diehard female Hillary supporters exist in any real numbers? I think it's mostly a media creation - although I do know a few hysterical homos who swear they'll vote for McCain because Hillary didn't get the nomination. I think they're mostly just doing it for the attention though.

Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay | August 20, 2008 5:20 PM

@4, agreed, though I'd go further and say they are a swiftboat-like false flag tactic by GOP supporters (not even necessarily McCain enthusiasts).

Posted by Just Sayin' | August 20, 2008 5:23 PM

I can't honestly understand any Hillary supporter who would be genuinely offended by Obama choosing a well-respected, popular, pro-choice liberal female governor from a red state. That whole constituency, to the extent it exists, smacks of a cult of personality, which is pretty ironic given that they tarred Obama's supporters with that same accusation.

Posted by tsm | August 20, 2008 6:11 PM

@ 4 -- Yes, it's just a media creation, AND the polls are all faked ... like today's NBC poll that gives Obama only 52% of Clinton supporters, with 21% backing McCain.

That's a 20-25 million vote head start for McCain in a 140 million vote election. (Other polls will show variations of this result.)

But it's all a media creation, based on fake poll results. Nothing to worry about.

Nothing at all to worry about.

Posted by RonK, Seattle | August 20, 2008 7:08 PM

@ 7 -- All right, fine -- so what's your point? Is it just time for everyone to pay, and pay dearly, for Hillary losing?

Is there any way the Hillary diehards can get their pound of flesh and Obama can win?

Posted by Andy James | August 20, 2008 7:46 PM

Regardless of the argument Goldstein has to make, I am skeptical of a man who posts a paragraph without explanation, that implies there is someone who knows who does and does not deserve the title feminist.

Posted by Ahem | August 20, 2008 8:02 PM

No matter who da fuk NO-Bama pick we won't support him and will re-defeat him in November!! Go Hillary 2012!!

Posted by clintonsarmy | August 20, 2008 9:54 PM

"@ 4 -- Yes, it's just a media creation, AND the polls are all faked ... like today's NBC poll that gives Obama only 52% of Clinton supporters, with 21% backing McCain."

Ron dear, don't get distraught. I didn't meant to imply that you were a hysterical home. But if the shoe fits...

How would a poll taker know that someone was a "hillary supporter"? What is the criteria they are basing that on? And if McCain gets 20% and Obama 50%, who has that other 30%? And where are you getting the 25 million number from? Even by the Hillary campaign's own (suspect) numbers, there were only 18 million Hillary voters, tops. So that would be about 9 million for Obama and 3 million for McCain.

Numbers, dear, numbers - they are important. That's why you should have taken math instead of drama 3. I know - I made the same mistake.

Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay | August 20, 2008 11:04 PM

big rally being planned in Indy this Saturday. mmmmmm. . . could it be to celebrate Bayh as VP pick? me hopes so.

Posted by irl | August 21, 2008 9:30 AM

well crap, the story I read messed up and said IN but now they corrected and the rally's in IL.
still. . .Springfield is not far from Indy so I am still holding out hope!

Posted by irl | August 21, 2008 2:45 PM

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