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Thursday, July 31, 2008

Same As It Ever Was

posted by on July 31 at 11:01 AM

Craft vendors in Pike Place Market, 1975


Madison Park beach, 1930


More more more at the hours-devouring Seattle Municipal Archives photostream of Flickr.

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"Pile" Place Market?

Freudian slip much?

Posted by T | July 31, 2008 11:23 AM

Har! Whoops, fixed.

Posted by David Schmader | July 31, 2008 11:29 AM

Commie queers.

Posted by hillpagan | July 31, 2008 11:34 AM

Huh. Only white people on the beach in 1930. Go figure.

Posted by el ganador | July 31, 2008 11:41 AM

I guess people didn't need towels to lay on the grass at Madison Park before the geese invaded...

Posted by Dominic Holden | July 31, 2008 12:02 PM

El Ganador, how many people of color do you think even lived in Washington State in 1930? Fewer than 3%. Fewer than 7,000 black people in the entire state.

Posted by Fnarf | July 31, 2008 12:05 PM

@5 Nonsense. People were heartier and more resilient back in those days. There was poop everywhere, but they just sat on it and didn't complain. Life was simpler then.

Posted by Hernandez | July 31, 2008 12:11 PM

At least Madison Beach served the surrounding community more than Pike Place Market does. Until Pike Place is open until at least 8pm, it is nothing more then a quaint tourist trap. I love the produce vendors there... but 6pm? Too early for me.

Posted by crk on bellevue ave | July 31, 2008 12:18 PM

@7) I declare hogwash on your accusation of nonsense!

SEATTLE'S CANADA goose story begins in 1968. Before then, geese did not nest west of the Cascade Mountains. Lack of habitat had historically prevented the birds from making homes on the wet side of the mountains, although they migrated through. By the early 1960s, however, Seattleites had replaced the primary barriers to geese big trees and dense understory along shorelines with lush parks, yards and golf courses.

Miserable creatures, but I'll bet we wouldn't gas them if they were called the America Goose...

Posted by Dominic Holden | July 31, 2008 12:35 PM

@4: Different from today how...?

Posted by I Heart Real Estate Convenants! | July 31, 2008 12:54 PM

It's 2008 and I bet those stinky hippies are STILL selling crafts (made out of Kucinich for President buttons) and STILL haven't taken a bath.

Stinky. Stinky hippies.

Posted by Jubilation T. Cornball | July 31, 2008 1:13 PM

I think you'd look good in some dangly earrings, Jube.

Posted by Fnarf | July 31, 2008 1:31 PM

Amazing powers of photo selection Mr Schmader!! That's my sister-in-law in the Market Vendors photo, and my mother (as a teen, but not a teen mother) is on Madison Beach!!!

Posted by jackseattle | July 31, 2008 1:57 PM

@13, j'accuse! You are the brother-in-law of a hippy!

Posted by Jubilation T. Cornball | July 31, 2008 3:04 PM

Fnarf @6:

There weren't a lot of black people in Seattle in 1930, but almost all of them lived within travel distance of Madison Park. See this map from 1920. By chance you'd expect some black faces on that beach unless they were being excluded.

And what about the large Japanese and Chinese population. Where are they in the picture?

Posted by Cascadian | July 31, 2008 4:56 PM

I'm not saying they weren't excluded -- I don't know -- but their numbers, and those of Asians, were really, really low. 23,000 Asians in the entire state, fewer than 7,000 blacks. Maybe half those numbers in the city.

Posted by Fnarf | July 31, 2008 5:46 PM

Also, only a tiny portion of the people in the photo can be identified by race. Most of them are black dots in the water. What race are they?

Posted by Fnarf | July 31, 2008 5:48 PM

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