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The real La Defense is of course the office-tower complex just to the west of central Paris.

Posted by Fnarf | July 15, 2008 1:56 PM


In defense of Charles MUDEDE where is my Y? spycharts.....

There are lots of things I would like to say to Charles... and one of those things is we have never met at The Stranger.

In my opinion that makes this one of the terrible deadliest mysteries I have yet un-written...

and well, frankly it's not that big of deal to type in and spend alot of time today filling in the defense of the dark arts club stranger flicker stickers for my
( read could possibly be part ours "IF..."),

I here Charles, or should I say I have read recently Charles has been screening or playing or well frankly maybe ascreen plaining.

This, is as Martha says... "a good thing".


So here it goes my big fat mouth,

IS GOING TO LAY ON THE LINE A PROPOSAL FOR DAN SAVAGE AND Jen Graves, through charles flicker picker, now.

Hi Mike Nipper!!!!

This is a "SPECIAL" coming to you so wrap it up and i'll take you on a dream, you know the drill....

My proposal for getting my dream and keeping the Star gazers in The Stranger happy and ready to set up my word of Mouth fundraiser proposal for :)S.S. MOORE(:.

That's the code name for my Dream Pack with Mardi Moore of MJM and Associates

to legally
build a fundraiser team for sponsoring my Foundation

Posted by daniel bennett kieneker | July 15, 2008 2:07 PM

"A work that strives for the inhuman strives to be closer to the truth, which consistently turns out to be inhuman."

please defend this statement.

Posted by chops | July 15, 2008 2:08 PM

Hey Ass-****!!!

Do I have to get mean with my language or do I have to invade Bill Gates Dinner Party with His wife Again in Kirland and publically embarrass you again????

Where the Fuck is the rest of my e-mail explanation!!!!!!

Posted by kieneker, daniel Bennett | July 15, 2008 2:11 PM

whoa. actually, i think i'd prefer a defense of @2.

Posted by chops | July 15, 2008 2:11 PM

"We see that the best buildings have in their design no humans in mind. "

Just as Charles' historical comments have no logic, facts, history or reason in mind.

It is all style. A psuedo-intellectual style. It's the old avant garde game, a game of making up statements with no meaning, or that are actually untrue, and seeing how many readers will silently bow down and go along, afraid to say it's all bullshit.

I.e., the eternal game of the petite bourgeoisie masquerading as intellectual.

Posted by PC | July 15, 2008 2:13 PM

@4 - sorry, McSame took over the office.

But good catch on the style, Charles.

Posted by Will in Seattle | July 15, 2008 2:21 PM


Your'e The Retard now, aren't you?

Posted by Cookie W. Monster | July 15, 2008 2:31 PM

"A work that strives for the inhuman strives to be closer to the truth, which consistently turns out to be inhuman."

Uh. . .no?

If A (truth) is not B (human)
If C (building) is not B (human)
it does NOT follow that
C (building) is A (truth)

I would argue that a building not designed with humans in mind is actually, at best, sculpture. At worst, a bad building.

Posted by violet_dagrinder | July 15, 2008 2:35 PM

@6: Basically.

I don't usually look to see who the author is before I read a post, but I've learned to recognize Mudede Speak within about the first six words, and I typically skip the posts.

Problem is, I love architecture, so I find myself reading these posts. And then getting pissed off, yet again, about wasted moments of my life.

Posted by violet_dagrinder | July 15, 2008 2:38 PM

I love how Kieneker out-WTFs Mudede.

Posted by NaFun | July 15, 2008 3:06 PM

Charles, you discuss topics without academic rigor.

Posted by Sir Learnsalot | July 15, 2008 3:48 PM

Oh, give me a fucking break.

Posted by raisedbywolves | July 17, 2008 2:21 AM

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