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Thursday, July 31, 2008

Here We Go Again?

posted by on July 31 at 10:00 AM

Barack Obama’s crossover appeal cannot be denied.

But having netted 70,000 fewer votes than John Kerry in liberal King County in her 133-vote squeaker over Republican Dino Rossi in 2004, this cannot be a good sign for Gov. Chris Gregoire.

Spotted just off liberal Eastlake:

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Frank Chopp and her need to go.

I don't want a republican in there, but these two have been disappointing 'leaders'.

Posted by cw | July 31, 2008 10:10 AM

Seriously, CW, have you had a good look at this Rossi character? You think you're getting "leadership" there? Rossi is a DISASTER. Don't be a fool.

Posted by Fnarf | July 31, 2008 10:16 AM

Even if you think Gregoire is bad at her job, isn't she the lesser evil? Why do people think voting for Rossi out of spite is such a good idea?

Posted by Lobot | July 31, 2008 10:17 AM

I believe this is technically known as "cutting off your nose to spite your face". It is interesting to contemplate, though -- is this a reflection of Obama's crossover appeal to R's, Rossi's crossover appeal to D's, or Governor Gregoire's lack of appeal?

Certainly, Rossi is doing a good job of capitalizing on the trendy messages and appeal of "change", youth, and knowledgeable outsider status. But he is such a disaster waiting to happen, talking a good charismatic and moderate game while disguising his thoroughly conservative ideals and goals.

As much as I'd love a refreshing change in the top national "bully pulpit", it seems to me (if one had to choose the lesser of two evils) that a Rossi governorship would make the lives of many Washingtonians far more miserable than a McCain presidency, given the way that state government now controls many (if not most) of the non-military governmental policy and funding decisions. A good Governor can buffer many of the bad federal decisions (as Gregoire has done for the last four years of the Bush fiasco), and a bad Governor can micro-manage the budget, policy, and administrative decisions of state agencies so that good federal policy is de facto substantially ignored or undermined.

Posted by Murgen | July 31, 2008 10:18 AM

I, for one, am really looking forward to having a developer for governor during the harshest real estate slump in state history. It's one of those post-WWI Herbert Hoover perfect storms that you only get to see once or twice in a lifetime.

Posted by Judah | July 31, 2008 10:27 AM

What exactly is bad for Gregoire? Please revise.

Posted by w7ngman | July 31, 2008 10:36 AM

Um, W7ngman, the sight of an Obama-Rossi voter. That's what's bad for Gregoire.

Posted by Fnarf | July 31, 2008 10:56 AM

Rossi would be the Dubya of governors. He is the exemplar of GOP "smash and grab" economics.

Posted by inkweary | July 31, 2008 11:25 AM

I'm voting 3rd party but I'll vote Rossi before I vote Gregoire. State House and Senate will still be run by Democrats, so something might get done.

Posted by Bud Dickman | July 31, 2008 11:31 AM

As I said last night when the Elway Poll phoned me, you'd have to be stupid to vote for a Republican crook this year.

Posted by Will in Seattle | July 31, 2008 11:45 AM

I agree that Chopp needs to go.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | July 31, 2008 11:54 AM

@10, then you should have no problem checking the box next to the big "R."

Posted by joykiller | July 31, 2008 11:56 AM

Interesting... I found some of the opposite when I did some recent doorbelling of "voters" in West Seattle.

I put the word in quotes, because these are registered voters who only voted in one or two of the last six primary or general elections.

While I spoke to a couple of Obama/Rossi supporters, I was surprised to speak to quite a few Undecided/Gregoire supporters.

Posted by Mickymse | July 31, 2008 11:58 AM

this is more than a little misleading -- the facts show that they both have a little bit of trouble with their base.

all of the public polls show Rossi bleeds as many Republicans as Gregoire bleeds Democrats.

the latest Survey USA poll from July has her getting 11% of Republicans and him getting 13% of Democrats.

she's got work to do, but she's not the only one. in fact, she can afford to bleed some Democrats because of their sheer number of people now IDing as Dems. can Rossi really afford bleeding Republicans?

Posted by klein | July 31, 2008 12:05 PM

Multifamily dwelling?

Posted by Patrick McGrath | July 31, 2008 12:17 PM

If it's any comfort, I saw a lot of Gregoire signs out in Stevens and Ferry counties out east a few weeks ago.

Spokane still has those giant "Don't Let Seattle Steal This Election!" Rossi billboards, though.

Posted by mackro mackro | July 31, 2008 12:22 PM

We won't support spine-less NO-Bama and will re-defeat him in November!!!

Posted by clintonsarmy | July 31, 2008 12:38 PM

In truth, this while our federal government badly needs a liberal like Obama, our state and local government need, well, more than just liberals. We need a more diverse political scene including Republicans. Our City and State governments have become nothing but echo chambers. We need to elect a couple corrupt assholes who will just get stuff done. And by "stuff" I mean real, tangible things like sort out our traffic mess, not crap like $0.20 bag taxes (how much political capital did Nichols burn through on that? He could have used that capital for something like a tunneled viaduct replacement instead).

With a democratic state house & senate, I honestly think our state would function better with a republican as governor.

Posted by crk on bellevue ave | July 31, 2008 12:44 PM

We were missing some of that crack, analysis by antidote, that we have missed from Mr. Feit.

I think @14 your post was debunked.

Posted by kyleb | July 31, 2008 12:45 PM

It's futile, but, shut up, @17.

I don't know why people think Gregoire is going to have an easy time of it this election. It's going to be clooooose.

Posted by laterite | July 31, 2008 12:45 PM

It will only be close if people in Seattle make it close.

Seriously, there's your margin of voters.

Which is why she headlined with Vampire Weekend.

Don't mess with Seattle - that's the take home message, and Rossi's losing that one.

Posted by Will in Seattle | July 31, 2008 1:21 PM

A single sample; wow, that's conclusive.

Next thing ya know, they'll be marching for Obama in Gay Pride Parades...

Posted by Andy Niable | July 31, 2008 1:23 PM

CRK @18, it's not "Nichols", it's McNichol, Kristy McNichol, and I luff her, so shut up.

Posted by Fnarf | July 31, 2008 1:40 PM

But seriously, this state (and city) needs a couple politicians with all kinds of sketchy ties to the mafia. Nichols might have the developer hookup, but we really need somebody whose got the connections with the seedy underbelly of the rail industry. If people have problems with the light rail going through their rose garden, they'll either live with it or wake up with a bunch of bloody rose heads next to them. And fuck the 20 cent bag tax, pansy boys who try to waste our time with crap like that will wind up in a vat of illegally dumped coffee grounds from Starbucks.

The secret is to find a republican who is socially liberal but a fiscal hard ass. I keep thinking of Arnold for some reason.

Posted by crk on bellevue ave | July 31, 2008 1:58 PM

Frank Chopp, Chris Gregoire, and Jim McDermott all need to go.

Chopp isn't constructive or productive with his Democratic majorities.

Gregoire has been *fine* as a governor, but she's been weirdly anti-Seattle through her whole first term consider Seattle basically elects her. She has also avoided taking strong stances on gay rights and other lib causes in an apparent attempt to appease independents and line-crossing Republicans. Annoys me.

McDermott is useless as a *representative* for this district; he could accomplish much more for his pet causes by getting out there in nonprofit land a la Bill Gates while letting fresh thinkers leverage the safe Democratic seat he now ponderously fills in a productive way.

Posted by Simac | July 31, 2008 2:07 PM

@25 - every time you Radical Reds say stuff like that, you just increase Frank, Chris, and Jim's vote counts.

It will all come down to one thing - how Seattle votes.

And anyone with an ounce of sense knows that.

Posted by Will in Seattle | July 31, 2008 2:49 PM

c'mon...there are many a divided households in contested elections. chances are that two different opinions are being voiced by these signs.

Posted by zzzzz | August 1, 2008 9:18 AM

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