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Friday, June 27, 2008

Shout at the Devil

posted by on June 27 at 16:21 PM

As you probably already know, Bobby Jindal, the new governor of Louisiana, is the current favorite for McCain’s VP slot.


The Wall Street Journal has a quick hit about Jindal on their politics blog: Jindal is Catholic, a second-generation Indian immigrant, opposed to abortion always and everywhere, into intelligent design and chemical castration, and wrote a story claiming to have participated in an exorcism.

Basically, he’s my nightmare.

Since McCain has assumed the miter and rod of the Republican nomination, I’ve had a delicious fantasy playing out in my head: That McCain, in trying to purge himself of the Bush legacy (as well as wreak a revenge he’s been plotting for eight long, painful years) would finally throw the evangelicals off the train.

That he’d put out a call to angry Goldwater conservatives, classical conservatives, and isolationist-minded moderates who are disgusted with the heavy spending, foreign entanglements, and social conservatism of the last eight years.

Healthy, classical conservatism is an important part of any country’s conversation with itself, but the evangelicals are perverse, willfully obtuse, destructive, blah blah blah. They’ve hijacked the Republican Party. And maybe McCain’s the man to punch ‘em in the eye and take back the wheel.

Of course, I want McCain to lose. But I want a Roman bloodbath in the process that purges Dobson, et al. from the body politic. It’s a revenge story out of Shakespeare, or Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, and I want to watch it go down.

But this Jindal guy, with his charismatic Catholicism, is starting to derail my hopes and dreams.


I wanted to read his 1994 exorcism story at the New Oxford Review, but it lives behind a $1.50 firewall. So, for the good of the nation, I paid the $1.50 and posted chunks of it below the jump. (The whole thing is over 5,000 words long—for an account of an exorcism, it’s painfully plodding.)

It’s called Beating a Demon: Physical Dimensions of Spiritual Warfare.

Highlights include: His tortured sexual tension with the possessed woman (“we had been very careful to avoid any form of physical contact in our friendship”), her freaking out (“Over and over, she repeated “Jesus is L..L..LL,” often ending in profanities”), and theories as to how she came to be possessed in the first place (“Susan’s roommate, the daughter of a Hmong faith healer, had decorated the room with supposedly pagan influences… Susan, who had experienced visions and other related phenomena as a child, thought her intense flirting with guys and straying away from God had led to this punishment”).

When in doubt, blame the Hmong. Or sex. Or both.


Though she had not said anything, I knew something was wrong. Susan and I had developed an intimate friendship; indeed, our relationship mystified observers, who insisted on finding a romantic component where none existed. I called her after the University Christian Fellowship (UCF) meeting — UCF is an Inter-Varsity Christian group composed of undergraduate and graduate students. Though the interdenominational group’s weekly program of songs and prayers had produced the usual emotional high among most members, Susan had left the meeting in a very sullen mood. I asked her to join a group of us who were attending a Christian a cappella concert to be held on campus that same evening.

Despite our intimacy, Susan and I had not spent much time together this past year. We had succumbed to pressure from our friends and de_cided we should not be so emotionally interdependent without a deeper commitment. To be honest, my fears of a relationship and the constraints of commitment had kept us apart; our friends’ objec_tions merely provided a convenient excuse. Still, I felt comfortable asking her to come to the concert, and she accepted the invitation. Though Susan ap_peared composed throughout the concert, her sud_den departure in the middle of a song convinced me otherwise and affirmed my earlier suspicions.

There was no doubt in my mind that I had to leave my friends and follow her outside. I was not exactly sure what I would do or say, but I knew I had to run after her. I found that she had not gone far, but was sobbing uncontrollably outside the auditorium. Since we had been very careful to avoid any form of physical contact in our friendship, I was not sure how to respond. My inaction and her sobs produced a very awkward situation. Fortunately, a female friend who followed us out was able to comfort Su_san with hugs and soothing words of reassurance; her quick action was in stark contrast to my paraly_sis. Once Susan had regained her composure and fell silent, I knew I had to intervene. The female friend meant well, but did not know Susan well enough to provide the advice Susan was sure to seek.


When we finally reached her dorm room, I promptly sat Susan on a bed and placed myself in a chair located several feet across the room. This physical arrangement was hardly conducive to the love and support I was supposed to be providing, but I was too scared and unsure of myself to get any closer.

Taking a very businesslike approach, I queried Susan as to the cause of her distress. At first the words were slow to come and the few that she ut_tered made little sense. Gradually the words formed sentences and the sentences arranged themselves into a coherent story. A jumble of events was trans_formed into a logical sequence with a common theme of cause and effect. She had noticed a lump on her scalp, had visited the university health clinic, and had a biopsy performed. “Biopsy!” One thought replaced all others — “benign or malignant?” The results had indicated skin cancer. Cancer, in any form, is a disease with a very powerful ability to cap_ture our attention and unleash great waves of fear within us all. The word itself, and the hopelessness it conjures up, causes us instinctively to whisper con_dolences; our minds automatically turn to the hor_rors of chemotherapy. Radiation, hair loss, and death all seemed very real. No wonder poor Susan was devastated.

I quickly collected my thoughts and returned my attention to Susan. Not only had the prognosis scared her, but she had found little or no comfort among her friends. They considered skin cancer a minor affliction, something that affects those whose vanity causes them to tan in the sun too long. The only friend who expressed concern was worried about the possibility of contagious cancerous cells. Her friends, many of them pre-meds aspiring to be compassionate and skilled physicians one day, noted that a simple operation would remove the tu_mor, and then simply laughed the entire matter away. She had felt foolish about her worries and joined their laughter; however, her smile merely masked her inner worries and fears. It was these re_pressed fears that had led to her emotional outburst earlier that night.

As I listened to Susan recount these events, I wondered how we had grown so far apart. There were now other guys in her life and many friends I had barely met. I had insisted on emotional distance to allow us to develop independence, but that was ri_diculous. Susan was my best friend and I hardly knew what was happening in her life. I soon found myself breaking my silence; until this point, I had hardly needed to prompt Susan to speak and had not even provided soothing remarks. Now, I sud_denly started comforting her and validating her feel_ings. Of course I would be there for her. Of course I understood her fears and worries. Of course I would reach out and touch her?


The tears vanished as suddenly as they ap_peared several times throughout the night. Susan was even stable long enough for me to buy her milk to ease the gastric pains caused by her anxiety. She was literally worrying herself sick. I realized my words of comfort were only temporary measures and were not enough to provide her with long-term support. However, I did not go far enough. Instead of directing Susan to depend on a source far more dependable and stronger than myself — i.e., our Christian faith, her own inner strength, or even a professional care provider — I continued trying to solve her problems myself.

During Susan’s next wave of tears, I found my_self putting my arm around her to provide both physical and emotional support. We were soon sit_ting on the bed next to each other, and I told her a fairy tale. Instead of tackling all of her problems at once, we took each individual concern — e.g., up_coming finals — and magically solved it. Her prob_lems began to seem insignificant and our ability to overcome adversity soon assumed heroic propor_tions. We were soon laughing, and despair was defi_nitely vanquished, at least for the night. We were both startled to find my arm around her shoulder, but she asked that I continue to hold her for just a few moments longer. I happily complied and we embraced her problems away; along with my sooth_ing words, the simple gesture of a hug was enough to bring peace to Susan’s heart for one night.

Susan had finally found a friend willing to be_lieve and understand her worries; she no longer had to pretend that cancer did not frighten her. She was terrified, and I understood. I was able to mix the almost contradictory states of empathy and aloofness; Susan needed me to share her fears and yet still be strong enough to comfort her. I was her partner in misery and yet also served as her knight in shining armor.

The peace and our renewed closeness were not to last long. Susan and I had consciously maintained a fairly distant friendship over the year and the night’s openness was a glaring exception. Scared of her own feelings and dependence on me, Susan made it a point to avoid me the next few days and answered my queries about her well-being suc_cinctly and coldly. Our relationship stayed in this détente mode for an entire month. During this time, Susan’s doctors were preparing her for the opera_tion. The relatively simple procedure would not in_volve many days in the hospital and had a very high chance of success.

Then Susan confessed that she was disturbed by recent nightmares. I accepted this as a normal reaction to a very difficult semester.


Then Susan started saying words like “visions” instead of nightmares, and I began to get worried and scared. I had always known that Susan was a charis_matic Christian, but had thought little of what such labels meant. She had told me of speaking in tongues during certain prayers and even seeing visions in her dreams as a child, but I had never pushed her to talk about such things. I figured that what I did not know could not hurt me. How wrong I was!

Susan started describing various odors (which others would later ascribe to the sulfur that supposedly accompanies the devil), sounds, and appear_ances that both she and her roommate had wit_nessed. They had even called maintenance, which had found the odors but not the cause. Her roommate, neither charismatic nor Christian, had seen, heard, and smelled the same things, but had not known how to interpret the events. I was about to hear Susan’s understanding of her visions and the accompanying disturbances.

A senior in UCF and a leader of my Bible study group had once asked me if I believed in angels, spirits, and other such apparitions. I had recently heard a priest confidently proclaim that the Bible’s words on such phenomena were never meant to be inter_preted literally; he had historical evidence that inci_dents involving spirits were merely metaphors for tangible events. Being a new Catholic and very eager to avoid the subject, I had accepted the priest’s views without question. After I related my doubts, the se_nior proceeded to describe recent incidents involv_ing mutual acquaintances — e.g., a woman who claimed demons inflicted physical scars on her arms. I remained polite, but incredulous. The issue of spirits did not affect me, and I was thus content to leave its resolution to others. I had no opinions or feelings on the subject.

But Susan was forcing me to take a stand on the entire issue of spirits and charismatic Christians. Having given the subject little thought, I was hardly ready to present an informed opinion. Susan was my closest friend and I would have tried to believe her had she claimed Martians had kidnapped her; friends are supposed to believe in each other even when nobody else does. Despite my verbal reassurances and lack of condemnations, Susan knew me well enough to see that I was having problems ac_cepting her visions and spirits. I was doing every_thing I could to convey my support and sympathy; however, I was definitely in unfamiliar territory and was overwhelmed by the strength of her convictions. I wavered between my loyalty to Susan and the apparent irrationality of her claims.

I left the room we were in for a moment, on some flimsy pretense, made the sign of the cross in desperation, and pleaded with God for divine assis_tance. Seconds after I re-entered the room, Susan angrily lashed out at me, telling me she never wanted to talk with me again since I did not love her, and ran out in tears. I tried following her, to no avail. I did not understand what I had done. All I could think was, “Gee, thanks God. So much for prayer.” I realized that Susan had never fully presented her interpretation of the recent events in her life, and I had not had the chance to accept or reject her claims. The entire conversation remained very nebulous in my mind, and many of Susan’s reactions made little sense. I had a vague sense that her anger and tears involved both my inability to care for her and also my inability to understand her recent experiences.

[Then they meet at a prayer meeting.]

After a period of group prayer, a student made a movement to end the meeting. Suddenly, Susan emitted some strange guttural sounds and fell to the floor. She started thrashing about, as if in some sort of seizure. Susan’s sister must have recognized what was happening, for she ordered us to gather around and place our hands on Susan’s prostrate body. I re_fused to budge from my position and froze in hor_ror. I will never forget the first comprehensible sound that came from Susan; she screamed my name with such an urgency that the chill still travels down my spine whenever I recall this moment.


In a voice I had never heard before or since, Su_san accused me: “Bobby, you cannot even love Susan.” Before I even noticed the sound of her voice, I thought it funny that Susan would refer to herself in the third person. Then the full impact of the words hit me. Forgetting the frantic students around me and even poor Susan lying on the floor, I thought of our conversation the day before. The real argument had been whether I was capable of loving Susan. I needed the answer to be yes, more for my sake than ours. I have always been a closed and relatively unemotional person and needed to know that my best friend felt that I at least could love her, due to some very strong remarks made two years before by my former girl_friend (hardly an objective source), I was beginning to doubt that I had the capacity for feeling.

Knowing that I was doing Susan no good, I quickly retreated to the opposite side of the room. Susan proceeded to denounce every individual in the room, often citing very private and confidential information she could not possibly have known on her own. It was information capable of hurting individuals — attacking people, as she did, by revealing their hidden feelings, fears, and worries. The night was just beginning!

The students, led by Susan’s sister and Louise, a member of a charismatic church, engaged in loud and desperate prayers while holding Susan with one hand. Kneeling on the ground, my friends were chanting, “Satan, I command you to leave this woman.” Others exhorted all “demons to leave in the name of Christ.” It is no exaggeration to note the tears and sweat among those assembled. Susan lashed out at the assembled students with verbal assaults.

Though I attempted to maintain a stoic attitude and an expressionless face, my inner fear must have been apparent to all present. I was the only one present who remained silent and apart from the group.

I repeated to myself that such things do not happen to normal people. I had attended a charis_matic church once, out of curiosity, but had merely seen a congregation dance wildly, pray enthusiasti_cally, and speak in a language that sounded like gib_berish. I wondered how the horror unfolding before my eyes could make any sense. I desperately wanted it all to end, but could not leave.

Then the fear and doubts began. Though I have experienced the normal periods of questioning, I have never come so close to abandoning my faith as I did that night. I could not pray to God. I tried as hard as I could, but I couldn’t. Out of desperation, I called upon the saints to articulate my prayers and rescue me from this living nightmare. Though I had never prayed with the saints before, I began to understand the Church’s teaching of the unity within the One Body. I pleaded with the saints in Heaven to offer God the prayers I was unable to formulate.


Susan’s sister sent someone to call a local min_ister experienced in such matters. Some desperate part of my brain wondered if we should also call the campus priest. I wanted the full authority of the Church to confront this demon, or whatever was causing this horrible scene. I wanted the priest to bring the Eucharist and watch the spirits fall before the power of Christ’s Real Presence. But I was scared. I wondered what would happen if the Eucha_rist did nothing and the priest was helpless. What if the consecrated Bread was just bread? What if the Church had no power over the cause of Susan’s bi_zarre behavior? I was unable to pray and too fright_ened to test my Church’s spiritual strength.

I, like many other students feeling the effects of the night, was swaying from exhaustion.


Addressing me for the second and last time, Susan told me to leave because I was tired.


Whenever I concentrated long enough to begin prayer, I felt some type of physical force distracting me. It was as if something was pushing down on my chest, making it very hard for me to breathe. Being a biology major at the time, I greeted this feeling with skepticism and rational explanations.


I began to think that the demon would only attack me if I tried to pray or fight back; thus, I resigned myself to leav_ing it alone in an attempt to find peace for myself.

I gave up all attempts at prayer and admitted conditional defeat. The effort succeeded and I felt relief immediately. There were no more mysterious forces and I was able to watch the proceedings with the security of an outsider.


Maybe she sensed our weariness; whether by plan or coincidence, Susan chose the perfect opportunity to attempt an escape. She suddenly leapt up and ran for the door, despite the many hands holding her down. This burst of action served to revive the tired group of students and they soon had her restrained once again, this time half kneeling and half standing. Alice, a student leader in Campus Crusade for Christ, entered the room for the first time, brandishing a crucifix. Running out of options, UCF had turned to a rival campus Christian group for spiritual tactics. The preacher had denied our request for assistance and recommended that we not confront the demon; his suggestion was a little late. I still wonder if the good preacher was too settled to be roused from bed, or if this supposed expert doubted his own ability to confront whatever harassed Susan.

Alice’s presence countered Susan’s recent burst of energy, and Alice’s confidence inspired us all. Surely Crusade’s experienced leader would be able to rescue us and reaffirm our faith in Christ, the Bible, and everything good. Even I felt confident enough to approach God once again; Susan’s lunge for the door awakened and invigorated me. Strangely, I found myself repeating the Hail Mary until it became a chant. Being a recent convert to Catholicism, I had yet to accept the Catholic doc_trines concerning Mary and considered any form of Marian devotion to be idolatry. Though I had never before prayed a Hail Mary in my life, I suddenly found myself incapable of any other form of prayer. Somehow, Mary’s intercessions allowed me to find peace during that long night; I knew that I had sur_vived the worst and that I would exit with my faith intact.


The crucifix had a calming effect on Susan, and her sister was soon brave enough to bring a Bible to her face. At first, Susan responded to biblical pas_sages with curses and profanities. Mixed in with her vile attacks were short and desperate pleas for help. In the same breath that she attacked Christ, the Bible’s authenticity, and everyone assembled in prayer, Susan would suddenly urge us to rescue her. It appeared as if we were observing a tremendous battle between the Susan we knew and loved and some strange evil force. But the momentum had shifted and we now sensed that victory was at hand.

While Alice and Louise held Susan, her sister continued holding the Bible to her face. Almost taunting the evil spirit that had almost beaten us minutes before, the students dared Susan to read biblical passages. She choked on certain passages and could not finish the sentence “Jesus is Lord.” Over and over, she repeated “Jesus is L..L..LL,” often ending in profanities. In between her futile attempts, Susan pleaded with us to continue trying and often smiled between the grimaces that accompanied her readings of Scripture. Just as suddenly as she went into the trance, Susan suddenly reappeared and claimed “Jesus is Lord.”

With an almost comical smile, Susan then looked up as if awakening from a deep sleep and asked, “Has something happened?” She did not re_member any of the past few hours and was startled to find her friends breaking out in cheers and laugh_ter, overwhelmed by sudden joy and relief.


I eventually left the room in a stupor. As I was leaving in a crowd, Susan’s sister, who had met me once years before, called my name and asked that I “commit my nightlife to prayer.” I hardly understood what she meant and was startled that others continued to single me out for attention.


Susan stayed in the house of a missionary with experience in spiritual warfare in foreign countries. Her sister thought it best she stay out of her own room. Susan’s roommate, the daughter of a Hmong faith healer, had decorated the room with supposedly pagan influences. Other theories explaining the night’s events soon surfaced. Susan’s mother had once worshipped and offered a sacrifice at a pagan altar in the Far East for her husband’s health, though he had been healed, she had been warned not to repeat such practices, but had returned to that same altar in the Far East upon hearing of Susan’s illness. The UCF staff member dis_missed Susan’s affliction as a psychological disorder, precipitated by the semester’s stress, and advised her to seek professional help. Susan, who had experienced visions and other related phenomena as a child, thought her intense flirting with guys and straying away from God had led to this punishment.

When the operation occurred, the surgeons found no traces of cancerous cells. Susan claimed she had felt healed after the group prayer and can remem_ber the sensation of being “purified”; she saw her physical and spiritual afflictions as being related. The physician’s improbable explanation that the biopsy may have removed all the cancerous tissue is no less far-fetched.

Susan still struggles with the theological implica_tions of her experience. Though she recalls nothing of what happened that night, the tidbits she hears from others terrify her. Can a Christian be “possessed”? What precipitated her attack and will it happen again?


The members and leadership of UCF have never publicly discussed what we witnessed and experienced that night, rationalizing that it may deter new Christians. Most of us were too scared to discuss it even among ourselves. Ironically, Alice, a lapsed Catholic and a practicing Evangelical, had deployed a crucifix blessed by the Pope and given to her by a friend. That night marked the beginning of her and Louise’s investigation into the Church; while serving as presidents of UCF and Campus Cru_sade for Christ, both left their leadership roles to be confirmed into the Catholic Church. Stacy, the freshman concerned about my welfare, became a close friend and another convert to the Church. Per_haps most amazing of all, Susan, despite her vicious attacks against the Church while in her trance and despite her sister’s staunch opposition, has also be_come an active member of the Catholic Church.

I left that classroom with a powerful belief in Mary’s intercessions and with many questions about spiritual warfare; I also learned a lasting lesson in hu_mility and the limits of human understanding. Was the purpose of that night served when so many indi_viduals were inducted into the Church? Did I witness spiritual warfare? I do not have the answers, but I do believe in the reality of spirits, angels, and other re_lated phenomena that I can neither touch nor see.

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Of course the devil took her...she couldn't tell right from Hmong.

Posted by Jubilation T. Cornball | June 27, 2008 4:31 PM

I'm surprised the GOP didn't play the faux-diversity card this year by steering an established conservative of "color"--such as noted neocolonialism-apologist Condoleezza Rice--towards the Prez nominee race. How much you wanna bet they'll pick Jindal for VP so they can claim the "diversity" mantle, then, if McCain's elected, continue to practice de facto colonialism--i.e., institutionalized racism--at home and abroad?

Posted by Jeff Stevens | June 27, 2008 4:34 PM

Shit. Beating a Demon: Physical Dimensions of Spiritual Warfare was the title of my unpublished memoir of teenage masturbation.

Posted by elenchos | June 27, 2008 4:35 PM

I like McCain, but there's no way I'm voting for a Muslim for VP.

Posted by Concerned Voter | June 27, 2008 4:39 PM

That is some of the best damned sci fi/fantasy I have read in some time. I hope he publishes under Tor soon.

Posted by thaumaturgistguy | June 27, 2008 4:42 PM

"Susan"? "Alice"? I call bullshit. Those are totally made up names.

Posted by Robin Sparkles | June 27, 2008 4:57 PM

And if McCain wins Jindal will be the 45th president after McCain has his massive heart attack after 6 weeks in the oval office....God help us

Posted by Cato the Younger Younger | June 27, 2008 5:17 PM

I wish someone would have the balls or ovaries to ask McCain (or any other Republican) if homosexuality itself should be made illegal.

Posted by elswinger | June 27, 2008 5:18 PM

As one of Sullivan's letter-writers pointed out a while back, the Catholic Church takes exorcism VERY seriously indeed, and laymen are absolutely forbidden from having anything to do with it. It has to be done by a priest, and not just any old Father Ryan from down the block, but specially trained ones straight from the heart of the Vatican, with a chain of permission and so on. Jindal was breaking all sorts of very serious rules of his faith by fucking around with that shit.

Oh, yeah, he's a complete horse's ass too.

Posted by Fnarf | June 27, 2008 5:28 PM

According to the Rovian rumor I'm starting here and now, Jindal's the person who fathered John McCain's adopted Indian daughter.

Posted by Deuce Bagelow | June 27, 2008 5:33 PM

FYI some of the conservative conventional wisdom is that it's more important to them that Jindal stay in his current post. Some think he doesn't have enough experience yet, some would be happy to cede this presidency to the dems so they get stuck with this mess, and some think it's more important that his current position remain in the R camp.

An unfortunate by-product of being a student of history is that it is dominated in the US by hardcore Rethuglicans, the good side of that I sometimes get a bit o insight into their (scray) minds and their way of thinking.

Posted by K X One | June 27, 2008 7:09 PM

Not only did the campus Christians cast out her demon, they cured her cancer too! That is a helluva story.

Perhaps when he is Vice President, he can spearhead a faith-based healthcare initiative.

Posted by flamingbanjo | June 27, 2008 7:14 PM

@ flamingbanjo

Prayer's pretty much all we've got now.

Posted by Original Andrew | June 27, 2008 7:24 PM

You know, when Jindal was running for governor here, the Democratic party tried to bring out those articles during the campaign, and nobody much cared. Of course, Louisiana (Alexandria, specifically) is pretty much the center of the Charismatic Catholic universe. Nobody here much cared.

By the way, Jindal is currently the subject of a recall petition here. During his campaign, he promised to veto any pay raise the legislature voted themselves. Well, the legislature voted themselves a raise that essentially doubled their salaries, and Jindal opted to allow it to pass into law without his signature. He said he opposed it, but he would not veto it. People here are not amused.

Posted by Sheryl | June 27, 2008 8:16 PM

A Darky Papist next in line to someone who is iffy on Abortion? What's he going to do? Abuse little boys while in the oval office?

Posted by Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.... | June 27, 2008 8:17 PM

Uh, choosing Jindal wouldn't exactly be embracing Protestant fundamentalists. Jindal is a fundamentalist Catholic, to the point that he believes that all Protestants are heretics, apostates from the one true faith. Choosing him would piss off moderate Catholics and fundamentalist Protestants, and everyone but Bill Donohue. The exorcist thing would just add to the GOP crazy.

Posted by Gitai | June 27, 2008 8:55 PM

I suppose there's nothing worth knowing about him except what is written here.

Like: maybe you could add say 45 words about you know, um, his record in office?

Maybe another 25 comparing him to say Edwin Edwards? OR ex gov. Blanco whatever her name was? The one voters threw out due to her non great response to Katrina?

you are using stuff that is as much a snippet as in Rev. Wright case. Yes all such snippets should be reported but hey a drop of fairness goes a long way to damning him, too.

Jindal that is.

But also get this: person of color elected in Louisiana which if I am not mistaken is in the Deep South.

So mebbe the outright racists there are down to what, just 25%?

I do not believe the Democratic Party there has ever nominated a person of color to be a governor in that particular state, though they did help throw out the reconstruction govt. including many blacks and back in about 1875 or something, thru outright violence... like Colombia or someplace.

Posted by PC | June 27, 2008 9:50 PM

So let me get this straight. The same Repubs who would never vote for a black man will turn around and vote for a Indian guy who at least as dark as Obama? Huh? I call bullshit on this. I don't believe they will pick Jindal for two reasons: 1. He's two young and it draws way to much attention to McCain's age. 1a. Again, no "hard working Americans, white Americans", will vote for the colored guy, especially when he's a hair's breath and a heart attack or stroke away from the Presidency. 2. Two much baggage. A sure way to drive every voter who does not want an exorcist to the Dems. He spend the entire time basically explaining the whole exorcist thing, and probably start speaking in tongues. Hmmm, on second thought: McCain/Jindal 08!

Posted by Hal | June 27, 2008 9:56 PM

I meant too young. Oops.

Posted by Hal | June 27, 2008 9:58 PM

Wow. All my two, too, and to, were totally screwed up. Anyway, I think Jindal got in on the anti-blanco vote/hurricane Katrina mess. I would also point out that David Duke received 42% of the vote in LA in a Senate race and was a state Legislator there as well, and all of that was well after 1875.

Posted by Hal | June 27, 2008 10:06 PM

Brendan, are you nuts? This guy would be my dream pick for McCain's VP. He would totally alienate the protestants and the racists, while simultaneously alienating the social moderates who would otherwise be drawn to McCain's faux populism. He'd turn the McCain bid for the White House into a perverse hybrid that tries to be all things to all people and loses everyone's vote in the process.

The more I read about this guy the more excited I get. Seriously. I'm sporting wood.

Posted by Judah | June 27, 2008 10:14 PM

We won't support NO-Bama whatsoever and will re-defeat him in November!!!

Posted by clintonsarmy | June 27, 2008 10:47 PM

Say "YES" to War on Iraq by Dan Savage Oct. 2002

"War may be bad for children and other living things, but there are times when peace is worse for children and other living things, and this is one of those times."

"The War on Iraq will make it clear to our friends and enemies in the Middle East (and elsewhere) that we mean business: Free your people, reform your societies, liberalize, and democratize... or we're going to come over there, remove you from power, free your people, and reform your societies for ourselves."

Washington Post June 27, 2008

"Bomb Kills Marines, Iraqi Tribal Leaders
At Least 40 Die in Two Separate Attacks"

Posted by stnkinstinkbuggystinks | June 28, 2008 9:40 AM

Say "YES" to War on Iraq by Dan Savage Oct. 2002

"War may be bad for children and other living things, but there are times when peace is worse for children and other living things, and this is one of those times."

"The War on Iraq will make it clear to our friends and enemies in the Middle East (and elsewhere) that we mean business: Free your people, reform your societies, liberalize, and democratize... or we're going to come over there, remove you from power, free your people, and reform your societies for ourselves."

Washington Post June 27, 2008

"Bomb Kills Marines, Iraqi Tribal Leaders
At Least 40 Die in Two Separate Attacks"

Posted by danfansarewarmongersupporters | June 28, 2008 9:56 AM

I seriously doubt they do this. The GOP wouldn't be able to play the race card or the experience card, given that most folks think McCain might not live long enough to serve one term. And, outside of Louisiana, Southern Baptists hwo are already suspect of McCain, will NOT vote for a ticket that includes Jindal.

Posted by Go ahead | June 28, 2008 11:02 AM

An anecdote from a Southern Red State:

A new guy joined our car club. He was half Indonesian. About as dark as Jindal. Straight hair. Half English. He looked like a miniature Cary Grant, esp. the hair, parted on one side.

My jaw dropped the day I heard some other members of the club (Red State, white male, blue collar/middle middle class) refer to him behind his back as "that black kid."

Things can be that simple to these folks. Straight hair or continent of origin can be that unnoticeable to them. "Not white!" was the signal their reptile brains sent out.

This would also explain John McCain's adopted Bangladeshi daughter being used against him in South Carolina. (I must also point out that SC is full of many more stupid people than the state I'm in.)

None of this explains how Jindal got elected in LA, except maybe that's he's Catholic and Republican. A black liberal candidate sets off middle of the road racists aplenty, but a moderate (Powell) or Republican/conservative black? Not so much -- they can vote for such candidates then pat themselves on the back for being unracist?

P.S. Jindal didn't get laid much in college, did he?

Posted by CP | June 28, 2008 11:39 AM

I'm curious, since nobody bothered to mention it, are you all rationalizing the claims he's making or assuming they are materially false? It's not that unlikely that a politician would fabricate outright lies (such as being under sniper fire) but this seems to be fairly verifiable. He's talking about a fairly large group of people here, I wonder if others of them have been interviewed on the subject.

Not everything he says fits into my own theological framework, but I'm hesitant to disbelieve what he's saying. Plenty of folks I know have had similar bizarre experiences, and they I know well enough to have more confidence in their stories.

Posted by Mr. Joshua | June 28, 2008 12:23 PM

At the risk of starting to sound like I'm the captain of his fan club, elenchos@3 FTW

Posted by Big Sven | June 28, 2008 1:56 PM

#27: I, for one, am comfortable assuming that this story of a group of Campus Crusaders for Christ casting out a demon in their dorm-room and, in the process, removing a cancerous growth is materially false, although it's worth noting that the way the story is told makes it mostly unverifiable one way or the other. I've noticed this to be the case with most claims of this nature -- the speaker makes a big point of saying how mysterious it all is and that he can never be sure exactly what happened, but makes it very clear what he believes the facts of the matter are. It's a cute way of having things both ways -- one can claim to have witnessed proof of supernatural occurrences without having to back them up. A perfect encapsulation of this highly dishonest tactic is to be found in his closing paragraph:

I left that classroom with a powerful belief in Mary's intercessions and with many questions about spiritual warfare; I also learned a lasting lesson in humility and the limits of human understanding. Was the purpose of that night served when so many individuals were inducted into the Church? Did I witness spiritual warfare? I do not have the answers, but I do believe in the reality of spirits, angels, and other related phenomena that I can neither touch nor see.

So in other words, I don't know what happened but I know what happened. He even goes to the trouble of stating his conclusions in the form of questions, as though he were wondering aloud whether these things are true rather than just telling you that they are.

I'm not saying that there isn't weird, unexplainable stuff out there in the world, but ghost stories like this belong around the campfire and not as the centerpiece of a belief system. If I had a nickel for every similar ouji board horror story set in a dorm room, I'd have several nickels and I still wouldn't put any stock in hoodoo mumbo-jumbo like this.

Posted by flamingbanjo | June 28, 2008 1:57 PM

There isn't weird unexplainable stuff out there in the world. There just isn't. 99.9999% this shit can be chalked up the fact that at any given time 10% of the population is mentally ill. People lie and hallucinate allllllllllllll the time.

Posted by Big Sven | June 28, 2008 2:09 PM

@30: So, 30 people in a room all hallucinated the same experience? Enough that two different people converted to Catholocism over what they saw as the power of the Church/Hail Mary's/The Papal-Bendicted Crucifix? Seems fairly unlikely.

@29: He doesn't express in confusion about the material facts--what he witnessed. It was merely confusion as to what it really means. Did his friend just go crazy from stress? Yet she was able to name very intimate things about the people around her that it seems she didn't know. Of course he doesn't know what happen, in the same someone in New York on September 11th might not see the planes hit the towers, know why the towers fell, or really be able to tell you if it was terrorists, drunken pilots or what. That doesn't change the fact that the towers fell...he doesn't know the exact cause (spiritual warfare) but he still knows what he saw.

Posted by Mr. Joshua | June 28, 2008 3:28 PM

Mr. Joshua@30:

So, 30 people in a room all hallucinated the same experience?

What experience? Did you read the account? The only person who had to be delusional in the story is Susan. It's not like 30 people saw her levitate, or spin her head around 360 degrees, or shit a Buick. She talked funny. She fell down. Boo hoo.

Enough that two different people converted to Catholocism over what they saw as the power of the Church/Hail Mary's/The Papal-Bendicted Crucifix?

That two people decided one afternoon to join a particular church tells us *nothing* about *anything*. If you're going to use popularity to prove the existence of god, we're not having the same conversation.

Seems fairly unlikely.

Right. Far more likely that there's an invisible omnipotent sky god that kills 160,000 tsunami victims but takes the time to cure little Susie's nonexistent cancer.

Posted by Big Sven | June 29, 2008 2:42 AM

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