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Wednesday, June 4, 2008

Meanwhile on Hillary Clinton’s Website…

posted by on June 4 at 8:46 AM

Last night Hillary Clinton invited her supporters to come to her website to discuss what her next move should be. And guess what? Many supporters of the woman that can’t bring herself to concede—she’s still trying to make up her mind what to do about the race she lost?—are declaring war on their party’s nominee, encouraging Hillary to run as a third-party candidate (“…like Ralph Nader.”), and slamming the media. Reggie sent over a sampling…

Sonya D

Good to know! I want to write Hillary in, but I’m afraid if I don’t vote for McCain, Obama could possibly take GA based on the large turnout in the primary. She’s not going to win our state, so I feel better voting against BO by voting for McCain. Just my thoughts on this. I live in Acworth, by the way!

by ExDem4Hill at 6/3/2008 6:47:56 PM


I just went to vote (California,Primaries) and I asked the same question about write in Hillary’s name in the ballots and they didn’t know but said it was a very interesting question. But now that I got home reading the voter instructions. In the first page, said that yes, we can write the qualified candidate and the office title.
However, I am calling tomorrow to confirm.

by ElyLos Angeles at 6/3/2008 7:37:00 PM

Sonya, I’m in GA, too

and won’t vote for Obama even with Hillary as VP. I’ve decided I must vote for McCain to do all I can to prevent Obama from winning. I’ve waited all my life to vote for a woman for President, and this woman in incredibe! But, I just can’t write her in because my vote for McCain may be needed to defeat Obama. I say all this with a heavy heart.

by T in GA at 6/3/2008 8:01:06 PM

There are 1400 more comments up at Enjoy.

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Everyone just needs to take a deep breath...

Posted by aaa | June 4, 2008 8:57 AM

Omama would never get my vote!

Posted by Odrama | June 4, 2008 8:59 AM

i'd rather not disturb my beautiful mind.

Posted by max solomon | June 4, 2008 9:00 AM

wow thats more than charles' posts get.

Posted by SeMe | June 4, 2008 9:00 AM

Sour grapes and racism.

Posted by flamingbanjo | June 4, 2008 9:01 AM

Any woman considering voting for mccain that also claims to be feminist is seriously conflicted and confused about the implications of such a vote.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | June 4, 2008 9:02 AM

So, if you're in favor of Hillary conceding graciously and putting her support behind the presumptive nominee, remember to take the time after reading all the other comments to post your own; I wouldn't put it past her to point to the ravings from her site as an excuse to cause more trouble, so at least you can put one drop of sanity into that bucket.

Posted by Lou | June 4, 2008 9:02 AM

It's already yesterday's news, and can safely be ignored. If these people won't vote Democratic by November, they weren't Democrats to begin with. We'll get 10 for every one of them.

Posted by ivan | June 4, 2008 9:03 AM

T in GA is a sexist pig. Imagine voting for someone solely because of their gender.

Posted by Smade | June 4, 2008 9:06 AM

My boss was ranting and raving about how the media treated Hillary badly and how they basically gave Obama a free pass and how unqualified he is etc.. How do I deal with that ? This election has made people so emotional. I don't want to get into a debate with him 'cuz i am not about to get fired.

Posted by devin | June 4, 2008 9:11 AM

Oh for fuck's sake. Sometimes, Dan, you do seem to manufacture drama.

5% of the population is unhinged. So if 30% of Americans are Democrats, and let's say 10% of those are still clinging to the Clinton bandwagon, you've still got 4.5 million unhinged Clinton supporters. So some of them post to her web site. Big deal.

There's no way in god's green earth that she's going to jump ship or run as an indie.

Posted by Big Sven | June 4, 2008 9:13 AM

Crazy bitches.

Posted by Rotten666 | June 4, 2008 9:14 AM

Belay that. 450,000. Note: it matters a great deal to Obama's security detail. But not to his presidential prospects.

Posted by Big Sven | June 4, 2008 9:15 AM

These people are like the candidate they backed: they have the emotional maturity of an 8-year-old. "It didn't go my way, so I'm taking my ball and going home!"

Sounds like the president we currently have. Why would they want more of the same?

Posted by Georgia Guy | June 4, 2008 9:16 AM

Hillary's comment section was obviously Freeped by GOPers trying to stir up shit; kind of like the unPC/Odrama/McCain-Frist trolls here

Posted by Just Sayin' | June 4, 2008 9:16 AM

Don't they realize that by voting for McCain they're supporting all the ideas that their favorite woman ever Hils would NEVER agree with? Like, the HUGE step backwards for woman's rights (!?) among other things.

Posted by Kenzie | June 4, 2008 9:21 AM

The Michelle Obama Rant Tape was filmed between June 26th - July 1st 2004 in Chicago, IL at the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition Conference at Trinity United Church: specifically the Women's Event.

Michelle Obama appeared as a panelist alongside Mrs. Khadijah Farrakhan and Mrs. James Meeks.

Bill Clinton spoke during the Conference, as did Bill Cosby and other speakers, but not at the panel Michelle attended.

Michelle Obama spoke at the Women's Event, but referenced Bill Clinton in her rant --- his presence at the conference was the impetus for her raving, it seems.

For about 30 minutes, Michelle Obama launched into a rant about the evils of America, and how America is to blame for the problems of Africa. Michelle personally blamed President Clinton for the deaths of millions of Africans and said America is responsible for the genocide of the Tutsis and other ethnic groups. She then launched into an attack on "whitey", and talked about solutions to black on black crime in the realm of diverting those actions onto white America. Her rant was fueled by the crowd: they reacted strongly to what she said, so she got more passionate and enraged, and that's when she completely loses it and says things that have made the mouths drop of everyone who's seen this.

The "tape" is a DVD that Trinity United sold on its website, and possibly offered free for download up until March 2008 when Trinity's site was scrubbed and the DVDs were no longer offered for sale.

Posted by Dem Party Implosion | June 4, 2008 9:22 AM

Maybe Hillary should comment on her supporters being complete idiots?

Posted by Andrew Wickliffe | June 4, 2008 9:23 AM

I saw comments here from Obama supporters saying they'd rather vote for McCain than Hillary. Should Obama comment on his supporters being complete idiots?

Posted by poppy | June 4, 2008 9:31 AM

Let me be perfectly clear:

Obama would have added to a Clinton ticket as a VP nod.

Clinton won't add to an Obama ticket as a VP nod.

Obama would have to be nuts allowing Bill Clinton to wander into the White House uninvited while Clinton tried to turn the VP into a powerful position as it was during the Bush Regime.

Posted by Will in Seattle | June 4, 2008 9:32 AM

Lest we forget:

And everyone who has been making good arguments against these idiots on Slog,(@16 etc) go post them on Hilary's site now. There has to be at least one person who will listen to reason.

Posted by Lobot | June 4, 2008 9:32 AM

Racist cunts.

Posted by elswinger | June 4, 2008 9:33 AM

@6, sadly, wins.

Posted by Will in Seattle | June 4, 2008 9:34 AM

Fucking idiots, all of them. But it's not big deal, just a little reminder that, as Sven said, 5% of the population is unhinged, and a decent chunk of that crowd are/were Clinton supporters.

Posted by Hernandez | June 4, 2008 9:36 AM

The menses makes the ladies crazy and unhinged. That's why we can never have a woman as president. They'd get all PMS-ish and start a nuclear war.

Posted by Inadequate Black Man | June 4, 2008 9:40 AM

Oh my god, they are fucking nuts over there, it goes way beyond immature ranting to scary angry loony talk. Kinda like the crazy homeless guy that you try to avoid as he has a disjointed, increasingly violent and threatening argument with his invisible friend.

Posted by Sad Comment | June 4, 2008 9:41 AM

After having to give all my info I can't even post a response. Instead I am emailing the link to myy friend Keith Olbermann.

Posted by elswinger | June 4, 2008 9:44 AM

Yup ladies, show your displeasure with that uppity negro by voting McCain or convincing Hills to run independent... and don't forget to bring the coat hangers when you celebrate.

Posted by UNPAID BLOGGER | June 4, 2008 9:46 AM

@#10 I don't know where you live, but if you are in Seattle the law prevents a boss from firing you for you political views.

Posted by Heather | June 4, 2008 9:49 AM

OK, I'm confused. Tell me again what Obama did to these women or to Hillary? I follow the news pretty closely and I have never heard Obama say anything sexist or disrespectful to, or about, her. Certainly not anywhere near to the extent Hillary & Bill went off on him.

I understand that these women want to vote for Hillary but in the process do they want to vote away their rights to their own bodies, extended war and debt for their children, and unemployment for them and their husbands by voting McCain in?

If she insists on running as a spoiler she will kill herself politically just like Nader does every 4 years. Not only will she shoot herself in the foot she will embody the worst stereotypes of strong women and feminists everywhere and destroy any hope of having another female candidate in our lifetime.

Yes, the media and pundits have made inappropriate sexist comments about her and that would only get worse if she won the primary and ran against McCain and will get far worse if she runs as a spoiler.

In every election there is a winner and there are losers. She lost the primary. Simple as that. It was as fair a contest as we can hope to have in our democratic system and now it is time to move on. There is no benefit to voting McCain into office. There are countless benefits to voting in the person who agrees with Hillary on 90% of policy issues.

Posted by Colin | June 4, 2008 9:55 AM

Thats the most confusing part about this. White women are punishing Obama for something he didn't do. Typical of the United States I suppose.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | June 4, 2008 10:03 AM

McCain wins, America suffers for another 4 years...Clinton wins in 2012 by the manifest destiny of being a woman. Yeah, that makes a whole lot of sense.

Nader is a bad example, Teddy Roosevelt's Bull Moose Party is a much better example. Suck up all the middle America Dem votes to guarantee the GOP holds the big house till the next election.

Posted by Cato | June 4, 2008 10:05 AM

why is it that If I don't support Obama, i'm automatically a racist in the eyes of his supporters? I'd never vote for him... and im Black. but it doesnt matter what his skin color, gender, or sexual preference is though. I don't vote for candidates based on their genetic makeup. I'm not voting for him, because I don't know what he stands for. I'm certainly not voting for McCain. I understand the importance of this election. McCain=Bush 3rd term. I'll probably vote for Nader, or write in Hillary. I'm certainly not a racist though, because I don't support Obama. I think hes a good dude, but I just don't think he has what it takes to be president.

Posted by Joe | June 4, 2008 10:05 AM

why is it that If I don't support Obama, i'm automatically a racist in the eyes of his supporters? I'd never vote for him... and im Black. but it doesnt matter what his skin color, gender, or sexual preference is though. I don't vote for candidates based on their genetic makeup. I'm not voting for him, because I don't know what he stands for. I'm certainly not voting for McCain. I understand the importance of this election. McCain=Bush 3rd term. I'll probably vote for Nader, or write in Hillary. I'm certainly not a racist though, because I don't support Obama. I think hes a good dude, but I just don't think he has what it takes to be president.

Posted by Joe | June 4, 2008 10:06 AM

It's like those spoiled brats who break something because they can't have it all for themselves. "If it's broke, NO ONE can have it. So there. Nah :p"

Posted by gagmewithasilverspoon | June 4, 2008 10:08 AM

Wow. They've removed some of the kookier ones that were up last night, like "Obama represents the worst in this country", but now they're calling for Hillary to be veep -- FOR MCCAIN. What planet are these people on?

Posted by Fnarf | June 4, 2008 10:08 AM

The posts over there are a pro-Hillary chorus. No disagreements between the posters whatsoever, which makes me wonder if dissenting posts are washed from the site.
I voted for Hillary in our caucus. At that time in various arenas, I found Obama supporters to be as petulant as what's on Hil's blog now. Eventually Hillary lost my support because though her statements and conduct she lost what I thought made her a strong, skillful candidate. Whether her own doing, her husband's, or the imbeciles running her campaign, she lacked command over how her campaign was run. If she cannot master that, then how can she run a presidential administration?
Unlike these tantrum-throwers at the Hillary site, I'll whole-heartedly support Obama. I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone can say they'll stay home or vote for McCain if Obama's the nominee. I think it's mainly tantrum throwing at this point. If not, I had no idea the Democratic Party had so many republicans or racists.

Posted by Madashell | June 4, 2008 10:09 AM

Geeze, they weren't kidding when they said Hillary was pulling the uneducated vote.

Ignorance is bliss I guess?!

Posted by Homo Will | June 4, 2008 10:15 AM

Awesome: Nader/Clinton 08!!!

Posted by jm | June 4, 2008 10:17 AM

why is it that If I don't support Obama, i'm automatically a racist in the eyes of his supporters? I'd never vote for him... and im Black.[...]I'm not voting for him, because I don't know what he stands for.

Posted by Dr. Savage Mudede | June 4, 2008 10:20 AM

@ 30 - legally, yeah, but Washington is also at-will, and I doubt that 10 has the money to prove that he was fired for his political views rather than just because.

@ 34 - if you're not voting for Obama, then you're voting for McCain. Which you may not like, but that's how it goes. Although since I'm assuming you live in Washington, it's not like it really matters one way or the other.

Posted by UnoriginalAndrew | June 4, 2008 10:20 AM

@34 & 35: Who exactly has called you racist? You've enunciated a rational reason for not voting for Obama - you think he is too inexperienced to be president. I haven't heard anyone or seen any blog postings that say that it is racism to merely prefer another candidate to Obama. The mutterings of racism start rising when purported Democrats start angrily spitting about how there is no way they are every going to vote for that Barack Hussein Obama guy, but can't enunciate a specific policy disagreement or character flaw that is influencing their decision.

Posted by Mary F | June 4, 2008 10:22 AM

Does anybody use their brain anymore? Voting for the opposing candidate just because your first choice didn't come out on top makes about as much sense as burning your house down because the bookshelves are too high. People like these are the primary reason that direct democracy will never work; they're just too dumb for their own good. We NEED elected officials to make decisions for us, because every time the general populace gets to decide on something they blow it (I-695, smoking ban, monorail, etc.).

I find it hard to believe that these people are actually clinton supporters. If they are, she should drop them like a flaming bag of shit. They want her to be the new ralph nader? Because we all remember how that went down, nader's now a saint and everybody loves him, right? Seriously?

Note to Hillary: these people are NOT your friends. Good intentions or no, they're offering crappy advice.

Posted by Super Jesse | June 4, 2008 10:22 AM

so what these people are saying is it's their way or the hellway (McCain)? Yea, that's agreat idea, let's be as immature as possible and have another horrible four years where america digs itself into yet a deeper whole. Now THAT is smart politics. Get OVER it people and grow the hell up.

Posted by jim | June 4, 2008 10:27 AM

Another thing, did anyone else notice that everyone on that blog is completely illiterate?

Posted by Colin | June 4, 2008 10:33 AM

super jesse, you don't think direct democracy works when you're on the losing end of it.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | June 4, 2008 10:52 AM

@ 34 & 35: You don't know what Obama stands for??? How hard is it to find out. Go to his website, read what's there, read articles about him, do research. If you consider yourself a liberal or a democrat you should know these things. What were you basing your support of Hillary on? Feelings? That's the same mentality that got bush elected because he seemed like a good guy to sit down and have a beer with.

Posted by Super Jesse | June 4, 2008 10:53 AM

Thanks Dan, your post made me so angry that I actually went and REGISTERED on that damn site to post an anti-comment. And then her site crashed my browser. I suppose that's what I get.

Posted by kat | June 4, 2008 10:54 AM

@47: If it works in the peoples favor less than half the time, then it's not working half as well as it should.

Workable direct democracy relies on an informed and educated populace, experience has shown that we possess neither.

Posted by Super Jesse | June 4, 2008 10:59 AM

just based on the issues you said that direct democracy failed on, i think you have a bigger problem with the outcomes of direct democracy currently but blame the system for those outcomes.

workable direct democracy relies on the losers accepting the outcome of the system regardless of whether it is made by intellectual giants voting or people that only have half a brain.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | June 4, 2008 11:09 AM

and how do you determine people's favor better than the people themselves?

Posted by Bellevue Ave | June 4, 2008 11:10 AM

Yawwwnnnnn. Can we stop already with the debates over whose supporters are the biggest assholes? Neither Obama nor Clinton has that market cornered. There are plenty of assholes to go around.

Posted by sarah | June 4, 2008 11:15 AM

does this mean democrats don't need to cater to crazy feminists anymore?

Posted by Bellevue Ave | June 4, 2008 11:20 AM

Hell hath no fury...

Posted by Zander | June 4, 2008 11:34 AM

I posted on Hillary's Blog about an hour ago and haven't seen my post come up. They're probably screening and only posting the ones they want.

Posted by Colin | June 4, 2008 11:40 AM

if hillary wants to be VP she has an incentive to keep the democratic party as divided as possible. by doing so, she'll force barack to pick her up as a running mate. with a unified party before the convention, there would be no point picking her as a VP. If barack can pick a VP BEFORE mccain, he basically erases all this talk of party division, and can go on an aggressive attack all the way til november.

Posted by mark | June 4, 2008 11:47 AM

hey guys, can we please not stoop to their level? it's really hard to have much of a leg to stand on in terms of moral high road when you do stuff like call hrc fans "racist cunts."

sore winners are no better than sore losers.

also, please note everyone who says "i would never vote for mccain so i'm voting for nadar"... nadar got us bush the first time around. i'm not telling you who to vote for, but please do remember that your vote for nadar is just as good as a vote for mccain, so don't try to sell it like it's not.


Posted by alm | June 4, 2008 12:02 PM

alm, the explicit problem that is unique to this election has been people complaining about the candidate supporters, not the candidates themselves. especially between obama and clinton supporters.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | June 4, 2008 12:43 PM

We were among those in Minnesota who supported Hillary at our Democratic caucus, believing that she offered America significant leadership qualities. Throughout the primary season, we have spoken on her behalf.

In view of this, we were very disappointed to hear her graceless speech in response to the South Dakota and Montana primaries. Her failure to acknowledge Senator Obama’s delegate victory in a conciliatory manner seemed to us to be a glaring abdication of the leadership we had hoped to find in her.

Conversely, Senator Obama’s generous and congenial references to her were in marked contrast to the tone of her self-serving and competitive remarks. Her most important job now to help bring factions of the party together – her statement did nothing to achieve that. We do not believe that she served the interests of the party.

Inasmuch as we can no longer admire her as we did, we are moving on in full and respectful support of Barack Obama.

However many million voters she might claim through the primary/caucus process, she should subtract the two of us!

Posted by tomandmarion | June 4, 2008 12:44 PM

@25...I didn't realize John McCain came on the Slog!!

Posted by Joy | June 4, 2008 12:49 PM

bellevue ave,

i totally agree with you. it's funny too, i thought we were all democrats?

Posted by alm | June 4, 2008 12:50 PM

Bush got us Bush and "stole" the election from Gore the first time round!

Posted by Susan | June 4, 2008 1:31 PM

Bush got us Bush and "stole" the election from Gore the first time round!

Posted by Susan | June 4, 2008 1:32 PM

Hillary is a superb person and the only candidate with the capacity to actually govern. Barack lacks the depth of knowledge and governmental experience required to manage the presidency. John is a solo act with more feistiness than logic, so it will be impossible for him to create a real team to accomplish programs, if he can decide what he really wants.

Posted by bjbprice | June 4, 2008 1:41 PM

"T in GA"'s comments reflect the kind of attitude that got me away from her. Now, seeing how she's playing, I'd rather Obama not pick her. If he can't win it, so be it. What can be worse than 8 years of rubbish running the country?!

Posted by RN in NJ | June 4, 2008 2:13 PM


What DOES it take to be a president. Anyone with a good high school education can be good enough. I stress the "good" high school education, foundation education. You allowed an idiot to become a president for the last years. And you want to push this kind of democracy all around the world! Gosh, you Americans are so stupid!

Posted by RN in NJ | June 4, 2008 2:20 PM

I don't understand what you guy's problem is. Obviously the best way to protest the lack of a female president is to tirelessly work to undermine undermine women's rights and equality for the next four to eight years.

Hopefully it will be even longer as long as McCain gets to appoint a Supreme Court Judge. But we can only cross our fingers for that one.

With any luck we can totally get Roe vs. Wade overturned, and dare we imagine...Griswold vs. Connecticut? That would be a total dream.

Posted by Jim | June 4, 2008 2:27 PM

I don't see any reason she would want to be the VP on an Obama ticket. Anyone hear Carter's comments? He more or less drew equivalence between those who wouldn't support Obama because of racism and those who prefered a president with more experience. I think she could suspend her campaign until the convention and let Obama carry on as the "presumed nominee" until he can or cannot muster the votes at convention. She should of course be true to her word to endorse Obama if he wins the nomination. Until then, Hillary, Bill and Chelsea could take a well deserved time of rest and reflection.

The best way to work towards unity amongst Democrats is to fix the nomination process and there is clearly many rules and procedures that need fixing. In the short term, maybe the democratic leadership sholud stop bullying and hounding Hillary to quit or concede. She has every right to ask that the race continue until the delegate votes are officially cast at convention - unless Dean, Pelosi and Brazile are going to change them rules before convention.

Posted by Gord | June 4, 2008 2:59 PM

I am SHOCKED by some of these comments from Hillary's website. I know that her supporters were disappointed that she didn't win the nomination, but to think that ANYONE would vote for John McCain just because HRC isn't the Democratic nominee is just plain STUPID.

Obama is the nominee. Obama is our candidate. Obama is the ONLY CHOICE that we have. A vote for anyone other than Obama in November is a DE FACTO vote for John McCain.

Go ahead and write in HRC's name if you want to. Throw away your vote. Go right ahead. But I tell you now.... if you liked George W. Bush and his vision for the world, then you will love John McCain. Obama is the only choice that we have if we are to put our nation back on track and reclaim our standing as the leader of the world.

Posted by Jonathon in Georgia | June 5, 2008 11:39 AM

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