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Monday, June 23, 2008

I Just Can’t Get Her Out of My Head

posted by on June 23 at 12:44 PM


I want Madeleine Albright to run with Barack Obama.

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Too bad she was born out of the country. She would have been kind of a cool dark horse VP.

Posted by vooodooo84 | June 23, 2008 12:51 PM

Yeah, you have to be native born, odd how Washington could be Pres since he was born a British citizen.

Posted by Cato the Younger Younger | June 23, 2008 12:58 PM

She can't run. She was born in the Czech Republic. Vaclav Havel, the former president of the CZ, practically begged her to run for office of the President of the CZ, but she turned it down.

When asked about Obama's foreign policy ability compared to McCain, Albright said McCain is a "fine person" and a war hero but he is "a 20th century figure who looks at issues through an old prism" whereas Obama "will take America into the 21st century."

Posted by apres_moi | June 23, 2008 12:59 PM

hey maybe she can help him continue to ignore the genocide in darfur, just like she did with rwanda when she refused to call it genocide.

Posted by SeMe | June 23, 2008 1:05 PM

It is only genocide if Jews are dying; no one else matters.

Posted by Issur | June 23, 2008 1:24 PM

Bzzzt! Wrong.

First, she was born in Prague, and thus cannot serve as VP, no matter how much you or I or anyone else likes her.

Second, she is 71, the same age as McCain. It would blunt the argument that McCain is too old if you put someone the same age as VP on the D ticket.

Posted by Reverse Polarity | June 23, 2008 1:25 PM

Leslie Stahl: "We have heard that a half million children have died (as a result of sanctions against Iraq). I mean, that is more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?"

Madeleine Albright: "I think this is a very hard choice, but the price, we think the price is worth it."

Posted by Bob | June 23, 2008 1:25 PM

#2, article II says:

"a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution"

which includes Washington and the 7 other presidents that weren't born on American soil.

Posted by w7ngman | June 23, 2008 1:26 PM

Yes, let's have a woman who sat down during the Tutsi-Hutu massacres that cost something like a million (yes, that's a Million) lives. She still insists that "the picture in Rwanda wasn't clear," although all she had to do is watch BBC.

For those that oppose Bush's Iraq incursion, let's remember that she too intervened with troops (Bosnia) without UN approval.

She did nothing following the Kenyan embassy bombings, leading all the world's terrorists to think that the US was a target that wouldn't respond.

Until Sept 11th.

Posted by Zack | June 23, 2008 1:33 PM

Bob @7, FTW.

Albright, the war criminal--there, I said it--as VP would be like LBJ to Obama's JFK. The one to escalate the quagmire after the charismatic troublemaker gets taken out of the picture.

Just sayin'.

Posted by Jeff Stevens | June 23, 2008 1:45 PM

You know, McCain wasn't born in the US either.


So she's as qualified as he is.

Posted by Will in Seattle | June 23, 2008 1:58 PM

zack- i agree on the rwanda point,

along with europe, the US just sat when they knew FULL well that genocide was happening at an incredibly human fast scale in rwanda. bill clinton offered a lame apology, but at least he apologized. madeline still walks around like she was the greatest secretary of state of all time. she had the power to pressure the hutu goverment and refused to use it. france even helped in helping the genocidiares(sp?) escape and they have fueled the war in the neighboring COngo. But not one seems to care about that.

as far as bosnia hercegovinia. i think youre wrong on this one. they ( the us) didnt intervene in bosnia. they bombed the living shit out of serbia and they should have since it was the only way to stop the genocide. serbia was in the process of exterminating the bosnian muslims. the ohio accords were the ones that authorized the troops that came in under NATO.

you will not find ONE bosnian or one kosovar who was against that intervention. it was the only time it did any good.

the intervention in the balkans did a lot of good and prevented bosnia from being wiped out. you cant compare that to the destruction of iraq.

Posted by SeMe | June 23, 2008 1:59 PM

So, Will, she was born on a military base in Prague to parents who were US citizens? No? It must be exhausting to be so wrong so often.

7, 10: agreed. Even if she were eligible, I would be very, very afraid of MA as VP.

Posted by Levislade | June 23, 2008 2:20 PM

Don't get me wrong: I don't disagree AT ALL with our policy on Bosnia. I'm simply closing the gate on people that think our foreign policy should be conducted with UN blessing and European populist approval. Those weren't the necessary rules of engagement for "Maddingly Half-Brites" foreign policy, so they shouldn't be necessarily applied to anyone else's.

Likewise with Bosnians and Kosovar, you won't find many Kurds that oppose our "protecting" them. Being unpopular isn't the same as being unjust.

The fact is, the failure of UN-approved sanctions in Iraq (a failure precipitated largely by the Euro-weenies who undermined them) was resulting in the deaths of 100's of thousands of Iraqi children ANYWAY due to disease and malnutrition. So, our intervention isn't really causing a net increase in suffering - it just happens to be more of OUR suffering now.

Posted by zack | June 23, 2008 2:31 PM

@13 - I'm just pointing out he's not qualified.

I didn't say she was

If I say 0 = 0 you can't say 1 = 1 until you prove it.

Posted by Will in Seattle | June 23, 2008 2:42 PM

Does one intervene or not? How many will die if you do/don't? Are these ancient rivalries that we cannot solve or will we make them worse? That is one hell of a difficult task. Either way, you're going to be facing praise and condemnation. People die all the time. Wars kill. The question will be "What will time tell?" I think she was a great Secretary. Perfect? No.

Posted by Vince | June 23, 2008 2:44 PM

@ 16 rwanda didnt need intervention. the genocide could have stopped with more UN troop authorization and pressure on the HUTU goverment on behalf of the us, france and belgium. madeline didnt even want to be bothered with it. she spent weeks debating wether it was proper to use the word "genocide"

the reason president clinton apologized was because he acknowledged that they (we) did not do anything and we allowed millions of people to die.

she did some good things, such as pushing for the good friday agreements in northern ireland which they invested tons of time in, eventhough that the troubles only cost about 300 lives per year. rwanda cost hundreds of thousands in a week and they did absolutely nothing. thats all. i supported some things, but she was not the greatest secretary of state like some people think. was she better than rice? yep. hell after the hell on earth we have created in iraq anyone is better.

Posted by SeMe | June 23, 2008 2:54 PM

"Great," as evidenced by?

Really, you should read both foreign and domestic news journals. Nobody that is serious about international affairs regards MA as "great."

Posted by zack | June 23, 2008 2:57 PM

why settle for fake imitations?

you want a realist, heartless, hawk for vp? bring back kissinger!

Posted by wf | June 23, 2008 3:03 PM

@18 I don't adjust my opinions for the news journals. Sorry. She solved some problems. Compared to what we've had for the last eight years- yes great.

Posted by Vince | June 23, 2008 3:22 PM

Man... Politics and policy aside, she's got that kinda ugly that goes all the way through... Doesn't she? When she fell outa the ugly tree she must a hit every damn branch on the way down.

Posted by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me | June 23, 2008 4:26 PM

Or is that just the worst imaginable picture of anyone ever? Cruel Slog. Cruel Slog.

Posted by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me | June 23, 2008 4:27 PM

@Will @ 15: There are laws that make it so that service members who have families abroad, can also have kids in that foriegn country and still be considered US citizens. It is a provision, because we have had permanent bases in many countries around the world, and women can't fly back to the states all the time just to be in a US hospital to have their child gain citizenship.

I believe that if any American is abroad, and they have their child (provided they have proper paperwork when the child is born) that child automatically recieves a passport and US citizenship (once all documents are subitted).

The catch, is that one parent must be a US citizen and you must submit the paperwork immediately.

Posted by Original Monique | June 23, 2008 4:38 PM

You can be considered a US citizen, but that doesn't mean you were born in the USA.

Which is what the Constitution requires.

That plus breathing and the age requirement.

OK, and not being from the same state like Cheney and Bush were ...

oh never mind, it's not like we live in a country that gives a flying fuck about the Constitution anyway ... especially the US Supreme Court ...

Posted by Will in Seattle | June 23, 2008 5:15 PM

But Madeleine goes barefoot in her garden. So she's cool.

Posted by rob | June 23, 2008 7:24 PM

She endorsed Hillary Clinton.

Posted by mere mortal | June 23, 2008 7:52 PM

She's a war criminal, we don't need more in the White House.

Posted by Sargon Bighorn | June 23, 2008 9:21 PM

God Yes!

Posted by Seanford | June 23, 2008 9:57 PM

war criminal
Google "Ruder Finn Madeline Albright"
Decide for your self

Posted by LOL | June 24, 2008 10:53 AM

#7 gets it. DING DING DING. We can all go home, now.

Seriously, remembering that was the exact reason I choked while reading the original headline. This odious sentiment needs to be fucking cleansed from the modern world. CLEANSED.

Sometimes it may be "necessary" but it is never "worth it."

Posted by Wackistan | June 24, 2008 3:14 PM

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