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Wednesday, June 4, 2008

A Dream From VC Night

posted by on June 4 at 9:20 AM

Sleeping fitfully last night, the following raced through my mind:

I want to start tonight by congratulating Senator Obama and his supporters on the extraordinary race that we have run.

Senator Obama has inspired so many Americans to care about politics and empowered so many more to get involved. And our party and our democracy is stronger and more vibrant as a result. We are grateful.


Now, as the last of your votes have been counted, we should think back to the remarkable thing we have accomplished. No other primary race has been so contested, so full of vigorous debate, so full of ideas. In these many months


In these many months, we have debated the future of our country, at the time we need to chart out a new course. For that, our party and our country are stronger. You are all patriots for contributing to this historic race.


I know so many of you wished to tell your daughters, to tell your mothers, to tell your grandmothers that you helped elect the first woman president. Even though I cannot be your next president, our tough campaign together assures that no one will ever be able to question if a woman could be president, that there will be a woman president. Even


Even though my journey to be your next president ends tonight, as the last of your votes are counted, as the last pledged delegates allotted, your voices, you will not be ignored.

A woman’s right to control her own body, to decide if and when she will have children, if and when she will get married, her right to a life outside of the home, a right to a life filled with equal opportunity and equal access, equal pay and equal respect will be respected. I know


I know President Obama will defend these rights. He will defend them through his judicial appointments. He will defend them with his administration. And I will too. I will help


I will help strengthen our majority in the Senate and House. I will continue to be your senator, to be your leader and continue to make your voice heard. We will work together to restore hope to our country, hope for our future together. We will together bring fair and just healthcare to all. We will together restore the American worker’s place in the world. We will together restore America’s standing in the eyes of the world.


Together we will elect the next Democratic president. Together we will elect the next Democratic congress. Together we will succeed. God bless and keep you all.



Of course it wasn’t so. What Matt Taibbi said:

Ultimately, that might be the Clintons’ real legacy. Their decision to stay in the game and press on when there was no hope of winning through good old-fashioned voting may have finally institutionalized what is becoming a habit in American politics: the fight for power through lawyers and backroom maneuvering instead of votes, and the reflexive, automatic impugning of the legitimacy of the process when the process leaves you a few bits short.

When all’s said and done, what may end up being most interesting about this race is that we all knew it wasn’t really over, even when the voters said it was over. We’ve advanced to a stage of our politics where the transfer of power is no longer simply a matter of counting votes: Now we have to wait for the dust to settle, to make sure the secondary, post-election political battle reaffirms the status of the “elected” winner, and the only way we know for sure how things have turned out is to see who’s actually sitting in the Oval Office at the end of the fight.

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You'll be glad she didn't give that concession speech, because the Michelle Obama Rant Tape is coming, and it will screw Huessein Obama and the Dem party if they don't nominate Hills.

The Michelle Obama Rant Tape was filmed between June 26th - July 1st 2004 in Chicago, IL at the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition Conference at Trinity United Church: specifically the Women's Event.

Michelle Obama appeared as a panelist alongside Mrs. Khadijah Farrakhan and Mrs. James Meeks.

Bill Clinton spoke during the Conference, as did Bill Cosby and other speakers, but not at the panel Michelle attended.

Michelle Obama spoke at the Women's Event, but referenced Bill Clinton in her rant --- his presence at the conference was the impetus for her raving, it seems.

For about 30 minutes, Michelle Obama launched into a rant about the evils of America, and how America is to blame for the problems of Africa. Michelle personally blamed President Clinton for the deaths of millions of Africans and said America is responsible for the genocide of the Tutsis and other ethnic groups. She then launched into an attack on "whitey", and talked about solutions to black on black crime in the realm of diverting those actions onto white America. Her rant was fueled by the crowd: they reacted strongly to what she said, so she got more passionate and enraged, and that's when she completely loses it and says things that have made the mouths drop of everyone who's seen this.

The "tape" is a DVD that Trinity United sold on its website, and possibly offered free for download up until March 2008 when Trinity's site was scrubbed and the DVDs were no longer offered for sale.

Posted by Dem Party Implosion | June 4, 2008 9:30 AM

find us a link to this supposed rant.

Posted by tiffany | June 4, 2008 9:34 AM

Get ready for paying much more taxes if Odrama become president. Odrama sure has reaffirmed all you need to succeed is know how to act and talk and write good book and a naive media to get behind you.

Posted by Odrama | June 4, 2008 9:38 AM


Fine with me. We have to pay more taxes. We can either do it now and maybe get something in return, like universal health care, or do it in 20 years after Social Security, Medicare, and all other government services have been shredded. Make your choice.

Posted by keshmeshi | June 4, 2008 9:40 AM


Put up or shut up.

Posted by keshmeshi | June 4, 2008 9:42 AM

@1 They've pretty much already said that tape doesn't exist. Closest they've come to a scandal about this is Michelle standing near Farrakhan's wife in a picture, which isn't very scandal worthy.

p.s. On the other hand, let's not be quick to throw things about counting or not counting votes and back room lawyering around because Obama used those tactics successfully to get elected to his first state seat.

Posted by PopTart | June 4, 2008 9:45 AM

that story has changed 3 times in the last week. It's a Katrina rant - oh wait 2004. It involved Farrakhan; people saw him on the tape - oh wait, it's his wife now because we found a photo. Only one copy of this tape exists - oh wait, it was for sale!

There is absolutely no evidence at all that this tape exists, and that little rant already has a fact wrong - the meeting in question was not at TUCC. Keep praying though.

Posted by zzyzx | June 4, 2008 9:47 AM

Obama also supported the wasteful, pork laden farm bill. You are delusional thinking he's gonna raise more taxes to give you universal health care and all that good stuff. They're most likely go to pork spending and corporate interests. Even if he doesn't you think the congress (both dems and repubs) won't override him? You don't mess with congressmen's pet projects even Bush learned.

Posted by devon | June 4, 2008 9:48 AM

OMG my friend knows this kid who totally saw that video! unfortunately right after he finished watching it he ate some pop rocks while drinking coke and his head exploded, so he didn't get a chance to tell us about it.

Posted by brandon | June 4, 2008 9:54 AM

@ 8

if you really feel this is the case, what alternative do you propose? do you suggest that we vote for mccain insteaad?

Posted by TIFFANY | June 4, 2008 9:56 AM

Government pork is a trivial issue. The deficits have nothing to do with pork projects. They are caused by massive war spending and insupportable tax cuts. Eliminate those two things and we're in surplus again. Devon, you're an illiterate boob. Take your McCain shit somewhere else; it stinks.

Posted by Fnarf | June 4, 2008 10:15 AM

@1: Only a severely delusional idiot could think that Michelle Obama's the biggest spousal millstone here. Remind Republican voters that Bill Clinton would be hanging out in the East Wing, and Clinton's poll numbers would drop like a rock.

Posted by demo kid | June 4, 2008 10:18 AM

This is pretty terrifying stuff:

- Votes no longer determine candidates
- Hearsay about supposed videos determines candidates
- Paranoia determines candidates
- Assurances that no politician will do anything but screw us.

What the fuck is going on? The US isn't Utopia, but its one defining and best feature has always been unbridled optimism. Yeah, lots of stuff goes sour, but when we've had our back to the wall - the Revolution, suffrage, WWI, WWII, or even more awesome things like getting to the Moon and women's rights and on and on --

We did these things when nobody thought it possible. Hell, ten years ago you think the US would've had an odds-on favorite mixed-race candidate for President?

It's one thing to challenge voter fraud (i.e., Florida in 2000), or outright slander (McCain's black baby), but Obama won by a clear, if small, margin.

Plus, what the hell is so bad about Obama anyway, Hillary fans? He's got basically the same policy positions as Hillary but with a lot more independent support. I don't understand why you're freaking out so bad, and I REALLY don't understand why you'd want someone who'd overturn Roe v. Wade in a heartbeat over Obama.

Posted by Steve | June 4, 2008 10:21 AM

Fnarf your points are insupportable. More evidence that WiS is right.

Posted by ouch | June 4, 2008 10:24 AM

Jesus Christ, the trolls are out in force today.

Posted by Hernandez | June 4, 2008 10:27 AM

Hillary is a very, very smart candidate. She is in a highly desirable situation by not conceding the race. Both Obama and she must rely on the superdelegates to be awarded the nomination. The Superdelegetes donít vote until August. Let Obama be the presumptive nominee and campaign for the general election. Historically this is when the Republican slime machine starts shoveling out their bile. Let them tear the hell out of him. Hopefully, the pending attacks will do nothing to harm him. If the slime balls manage to damage his standing, we have a second possibility waiting in the wings. Think of her as insurance.

Posted by Ken | June 4, 2008 10:31 AM

No kidding, Hernandez. I fear we have traded one unPC for a dozen of them. "Now I'm going to run around spreading nonsense about Obama!" They do encourage College Republicans to do that kind of thing. You can't really be a Republican and think you can win an election fairly, so they work hard to cultivate their skills at deception.

Posted by elenchos | June 4, 2008 10:32 AM

1,3,8: You guys need to get together and decide your line of attack against Obama. Is he too conservative or too progressive? Stupid and crazy or an evil mastermind?

Right now it's pretty schizophrenic, which makes it easier to see your agenda. Keep up the entertainment through November!

Posted by V | June 4, 2008 10:36 AM

@16: Insurance? Is this like when Hil said someone should, er, might shoot him?

Also, in all seriousness, does anyone really think that Republicans and (particularly) Independents are more attracted to Hillary? Especially now?

Posted by Steve | June 4, 2008 10:42 AM

fnarf, budget deficits have been present in a multitude of situations where the tax rate has been higher, there has been no active war, etc etc. If deficits are present while some variables change what does that tell you about the importance of those variables changing?

Posted by Bellevue Ave | June 4, 2008 10:43 AM

part of a functional democracy is the losers accepting the process and accepting that they lost.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | June 4, 2008 10:48 AM

@21...yes. This is a key element to a functioning democracy. As much as I wish Al Gore had fought on, I have great respect for his actions in 2000. He understood a basic principle.

Hillary is fanning flames in her supporters that shouldn't be fanned. Her followers are taking their cue from her. The bottom line is that she lost a narrow and hard-fought race. But, lost she did. Period. End of the story.

If she really cares about this country and her party, she'll cease encouraging her handlers to lie about popular votes, she'll cease claiming sexism and media bias, and she'll get on board to support the Democratic Nominee for President.

Posted by Timothy | June 4, 2008 11:19 AM

@22, she didn't lose, it was stolen from her. It was stolen by the democratic party insiders in the caucus states who exclude millions of people from the process. It was stolen by the party insiders at the R&BC who decided uncommitted means a vote for Obama. It would be one thing if he had won fairly, but he didn't -- he stole the election because the male-dominated insiders couldn't accept a female above them.

Posted by wrong again | June 4, 2008 11:30 AM

@23, I think most straight men don't mind a female above them.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | June 4, 2008 11:35 AM

@24 - true. Except for the closeted gay men pretending to be straight.

Posted by Will in Seattle | June 4, 2008 11:39 AM

Gee, #1, do you really think a charge against Michelle Obama that she had the nerve to rant against America policies is going to carry much weight on a blog that is committed to public ranting against American policies and pop culture nincompoopery? That's all we do all day!

We cherish the inner ranter in all humankind...

Posted by michael strangeways | June 4, 2008 11:42 AM

@14 - just because Fnarf understands the real cause of deficits doesn't mean he thinks I'm right, even though I am.

By the way, how's that Third Fake War in Iran coming along, Red Bushies? You ready to lie us into that one yet? Or have your masters in Saudi Arabia and Red China not given you the go ahead?

Posted by Will in Seattle | June 4, 2008 11:43 AM

also @23, let's consider that hillary entered into a contest knowing full well that caucus votes had a say in the nomination process. let's also consider that MI and FL had their primaries moved up after the DNC said don't do it. lets also consider that even without a single delegate from Michigan he would still be winning the race.

this might be above your head but essentially what hillary fanatics are doing right now are claiming that the refs made a bad call and that field goals don't count.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | June 4, 2008 11:43 AM

Every post Jonathan does makes me love him a little bit more.

Please say you're coming to Slog happy so I can give you a big hug!

Hugs and Kisses,

Posted by Original Monique | June 4, 2008 11:56 AM

@23...I'm sorry you are so deluded that you've begun to believe the spin from your candidate.

Obama did not steal this election. There's no rational argument to make that would suggest as much. So, you must be irrational.

Caucuses aren't merely for Democratic insiders. I moderated one of the Caucus sites here in Seattle, and can attest that the vast majority of attendees had never before participated in democratic party functions. What's insider about that? Nothing. Your argument is irrational, but you may very well be an irrational person, in which case, there's not point to arguing with you.

The DNC rules committee did make mistakes, in my opinion, by even examining and agreeing to allow representation from Florida and Michigan after all candidates agreed that the results wouldn't count. They shouldn't count, as those elections are irretrievably unreliable. To claim that they represent some actual accounting of the will of the voters in those states is irrational; but, you may well be irrational, in which case, this argument is pointless.

Obama has run the most respectful campaign in our lifetimes. To denigrate him because you're a sore loser is irrational; but, as I say, you may very well be irrational.

Good luck with that.

Posted by Timothy | June 4, 2008 12:12 PM
she didn't lose, it was stolen from her. It was stolen by the democratic party insiders in the caucus states who exclude millions of people from the process. It was stolen by the party insiders at the R&BC who decided uncommitted means a vote for Obama.

Your beloved candidate had plenty of opportunity to decry these things - and as the expected nominee at the time, she carried some weight. And she said nothing whatsoever. Because she didn't care, and if anything, she planned to use them to her advantage (and failed). She was perfectly happy to disenfranchise those states until she needed them.

And get the fuck over Michigan - your four delegates would've done squat, and you know full well those primary results were worthless.

Now don't come back until you're finished with your tantrum, please.

Posted by tsm | June 4, 2008 12:14 PM

23: ah, yes. the nomination was stolen from hillary carrying out a process which everyone agreed to from the beginning, including hillary herself.

look, if hillary or *any* of her supporters had complained about the "unfairness" of caucuses or super-delegates or MI/FL when the rules were actually written (i.e. *BEFORE* the election began, *BEFORE* she lost), your argument might carry some weight. but right now you all sound like a bunch of petulant cry-babies who will say whatever it takes to help your annointed savior, including undermining the democratic process itself.

it's not a coronation, it's an election. the people voted and they picked someone else. i know it sucks to see your candidate lose, but this is how democracy works. deal.

Posted by brandon | June 4, 2008 12:14 PM

Oh, and @23...another thing...

Democratic Party Insiders? Bill and Hillary are THE consumate democratic party insiders. If this were stolen by democratic party insiders, it would have been stolen by and for your candidate.

I don't mind have a rational discussion about the issues. We could talk all day about the strengths and weakness of the various forms of primaries and caucuses. We could talk about what is and is not fair about the Primary calendars, and whether certain States should be allowed such importance early in the campaign.

But, it is not a rational discussion to talk about any of the conspiracies that you raise. None of them have a basis in rational thought or discussion. If you don't know the difference, then don't waste our time here.

Posted by Timothy | June 4, 2008 12:35 PM
Plus, what the hell is so bad about Obama anyway, Hillary fans? He's got basically the same policy positions as Hillary but with a lot more independent support. I don't understand why you're freaking out so bad, and I REALLY don't understand why you'd want someone who'd overturn Roe v. Wade in a heartbeat over Obama.

I've been wondering the same thing. If you read the pro-Hillary crazies blogs, it seems to have something to do with Obama's pastor, or his gang of thug intimidators, or the fact that he's a dirty Chicago politician and he lies a lot(?), or that his supporters are a bunch of mysogynists and that means he is, too. None of this, of course, is supported by any evidence.

They've gone off the deep end.

Posted by w7ngman | June 4, 2008 1:05 PM

The sad truth is that Hillary's crazies are merely following her lead. And, this is the sin of what Hillary is doing. Hillary and her team know perfectly well that they are being irrational, but they are stirring the pot anyway, and sending their supporters into fits of hysteria, all because they see that she is claiming to have been wronged.

This is the wrong that the Hillary campaign commits, and I for one, will not forget those aspects of her actions, nor the actions of her team (Ickes, Lanny Davis, Terry McAuliffe, et al). They should never rise to positions of prominence again in the Democratic party. They've broken a fundamental trust with the party.

Posted by Timothy | June 4, 2008 1:12 PM

Or, you know, he doesn't have a vagina.

Posted by w7ngman | June 4, 2008 1:19 PM

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