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Saturday, May 31, 2008

The Only Committee Meeting Worth Watching On a Lovely Saturday Afternoon

posted by on May 31 at 12:05 PM

And I’m not even sure it’s worth that, but just in case you’re interested the big, potentially campaign-defining meeting of the Rules & Bylaws Committee of the Democratic National Committee it’s livestreaming here. (And at other fine, wonk-infested establishments all over the web.)

Liveblogs here, here, here, and here.

As of this moment, 12:05 PST, the committee is taking a late lunch. They’ll be back at 1:15 PST for a debate—which, given the tenor so far, should be full of pointed declarations, paeans to the wisdom of various mommas, and breaks for applause and jeers from the audience.

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If THAT's too boring, I suggest hopping over to NASA TV ( to watch pre-launch activities for Discovery, scheduled to lift-off at 2:02 Pacific Time.

Posted by COMTE | May 31, 2008 12:35 PM

The Hillz people are driving me crazy. They keep talking about honoring the sacredness of Michigan's primary voters. Hello?? Anyone there??? The primary was a fucking joke!! Nobody took it seriously b/c we were TOLD IT WOULDN'T COUNT! Eff.


Posted by Balt-O-Matt | May 31, 2008 12:59 PM

Oh, my.

The Hillary protesters [outside the meeting right now] are occupying an utterly alternate (and healing-free) universe: a universe in which one of the big lawn rally's speakers yells that the Democratic Party no longer is in the business of "promoting equality and fairness for all"; in which a Hillary supporter with two poodles shouts, "Howard Dean is a leftist freak!"; in which a man exhibits a sign that reads "At least slaves were counted as 3/5ths a Citizen" and shows Dean whipping handcuffed people; and in which Larry Sinclair, the Minnesota man who took to YouTube to allege that Barack Obama had oral sex with him in the back of a limousine in 1999, is one of the belles of the ball ...

"Would you rather have a president who had an affair [Bill Clinton] or one who was a murderer [Obama]?" Jeannie, the Greensboro Democrat, asks a fellow in a floppy Tilley hat and Hillary buttons. "That's a good point," he replies.

How long would it take the diehard Clinton supporters to get around to accusing Obama of murder? Well, now we know. And somehow Obama's base gets called cultlike.

Posted by tsm | May 31, 2008 1:42 PM

I'm not sure if anyone is surfing the web this afternoon but I've come across a couple of references to the Obamas resigning from their church, anybody else seen anything about this?

Posted by PopTart | May 31, 2008 3:25 PM

@4 - yes, Obama has given a letter of resignation. Probably his relationship with them wasn't favorable to either party.

Anyways, they just announced: Florida's getting penalized. Big surprise.

Posted by tsm | May 31, 2008 3:39 PM

Yes, PopTart, it's true!

In other news, the Clinton supporters at the committee meeting are utterly and totally classless. That is, they lack class. Please note that.

Posted by Balt-O-Matt | May 31, 2008 3:40 PM

There were a bunch of people that booed at the mention of "unity". Nice! Why not just start a Clintonian Party?

Posted by tsm | May 31, 2008 3:43 PM

Seriously, y'all. Listen to the cheap-ass Clinton supporters. Disgusting.

Posted by Balt-O-Matt | May 31, 2008 3:44 PM

This is turning out to be tragicaly good television. The Clinton fans are as classy as the candidate they are backing. I really wonder how many Republicans are in there pretending to be Democrats?

Posted by Cato the Younger Younger | May 31, 2008 3:45 PM

Here goes Michigan!

Posted by Balt-O-Matt | May 31, 2008 3:48 PM

Ickes is a jerk. Hijack? Really? STFU. It was a joke primary, Ickes. Fuck off.

Posted by Balt-O-Matt | May 31, 2008 3:52 PM

wow. turned on the tv in the middle of the amazing shuttle launch. fueltankcam ftw! meanwhile, back on earth, a bunch of bickering monkeys argue over who gets to be head monkey.

Posted by skye | May 31, 2008 3:54 PM

"Yeah, so a candidate wasn't on the ballot. So the authorities told everyone the election wouldn't matter. So what?! Elections have flaws!"

Ickes is so full of shit.

Posted by tsm | May 31, 2008 3:54 PM

They're taking it to the Credential Committee in Denver???? Fuck that shit. This just in: Clinton cares more about herself than about wresting control from the Republicans. Useless. Utterly useless.

Her supporters are nothing but trash. Nothing. But. Trash. Shameful and disgusting.

Posted by Balt-O-Matt | May 31, 2008 3:58 PM

Clintonistas are the new Peronistas.

Posted by Jay | May 31, 2008 4:14 PM

or the new gauchistas

Posted by kelly | May 31, 2008 4:18 PM

tsm, and others, when you say he wasn't on the ballot in Michigan you are wrong. Misleading.

He was on the ballot.

He took himself off the ballot.

He didn't have to. Kucinich didn't, Dodd didn't, I believe, and HRC didn't.

You keep saying he wasn't on the ballot without further explanation because those words create the impression it was like communist E Germany or something -- as if he weren't allowed on the ballot.
It wasn't like that.
He was on the ballot.
He took himself off.
He didn't have to.
He was sucking up to IA and NH when he did it, too.

Meanwhile the FL deal is a good one. It's not punishing HRC. She gets what she mainly wanted (a) recognition of FL voters having votes that count, (b) this lets her count the popular vote in some kind of twisted media made up logic, but there it is.

And good for Obama for supporting it; you may have noticed he's like ten fucking points behind in FL so if you want to have a 50 state strategy it's a good move.

Meanwhile yes Obama did resign from Trinity Church

so I guess he thinks that white priest is an asshole, too, for making fun of women crying and saying "a whole lot of white people were sad" that Barack was winning.
Ie asserting if you're not for BHO u r racist, which is itself, duh, a racist charge.

Hopefully now that he's out of Trinity he won't start going to that Catholic Church with the crazy white priest.

Oh and good tactics, releasing it on a Saturday in the middle of all this. If he'll reject his church of 20 years and 2 of his spiritual advisors, maybe he does have the gumption to do what it takes to win.

Posted by PC | May 31, 2008 4:19 PM

PC (Or should I say Susan?) STFU.


Posted by Balt-O-Matt | May 31, 2008 4:20 PM

Wait. That was my inner Clinton supporter speaking. Sorry, PC.

Posted by Balt-O-Matt | May 31, 2008 4:23 PM

Damn I should've bet on this. What happened was exactly what I thought would happen, everyone seated, half vote for each delegate seated.

I'm beginning to think, despite pundits saying so, that this really won't be over Tuesday.

Posted by PopTart | May 31, 2008 4:27 PM

Ickes has lost every ounce of respect that I once had for him.

This is a disaster. It was staged to mollify the Clinton campaign and her supporters. But, they will not be mollified. They came to this committee meeting feigning an interest in reaching a solution. But, the only solution they'll settle for is full-seating. They'll now take this result and harangue the world from here through the Convention about how unfair it is.

All the while, it's a crock of shit. Florida and Michigan should not be seated, period. The votes taken in those states are irredeemably tainted.

Opening this up for discussion in the hopes of uniting the party was foolish and will have the opposite affect.

...finally, this circus is being orchestrated by the Clinton campaign, and they have lost every last bit of respect I had as well.

Posted by Timothy | May 31, 2008 4:48 PM

Discovery had a BEE-YOU-TEE-FULL Ascent To Orbit (ATO) this afternoon - truly glorious, if in fact a bit of a nail-biter (I always get nervous right around the 75 second mark).

Posted by COMTE | June 1, 2008 1:43 AM

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