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Tuesday, May 13, 2008

Ooh, Sexism AND Racism

posted by on May 13 at 13:45 PM

This campaign is really Southern-fried bringing out the best America has to offer..

Marietta tavern owner Mike Norman says the T-shirts he’s peddling, featuring cartoon chimp Curious George peeling a banana, with “Obama in ‘08” scrolled underneath, are “cute.” But to a coalition of critics, the shirts are an insulting exploitation of racial stereotypes from generations past.

Paging the “objective media”: Does it really take a “coalition of critics” to say that this T-shirt is racist? Or can we, just maybe, agree that portraying African Americans as monkeys is racist and (Or are they actually granting legitimacy to the “opposing view”—that, whoops, Obama really just looks like Curious George?)

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More in the market for sexism with a side of xenophobia? Mulligan’s has got you covered:

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Because jokes about murdering Hillary—as established, well, just this morning—are totally hilarious!

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1

They have fresh veggi's?

Posted by Fly-Over Illinois | May 13, 2008 1:56 PM
2

Ok, the line about HRC and OJ is vile and offensive, yes, but how exactly is it sexist?

Posted by lostboy | May 13, 2008 1:56 PM
3

Really? I didn't know that Muslims ate bananas.

Posted by Ummagumma | May 13, 2008 1:56 PM
4

Erica, you will never get your priorities straight. If I were news editor at the Stranger I'd be interviewing women at Ft. Lewis and McChord about rape and not wasting my time with chickenshit reader boards and t-shirts.

Posted by elenchos | May 13, 2008 1:57 PM
5

Is it just me or does Erica need laid?

Posted by THAT is a sexist comment Erica! | May 13, 2008 2:01 PM
6

It's strange too because everybody should know that the monkey symbology is usually reserved for Dubya.

Posted by Non | May 13, 2008 2:03 PM
7

I never realized just how much Obama looks like Curious George. It's uncanny.

Posted by I, Anonymous | May 13, 2008 2:03 PM
8

This Mulligan is a disgrace to the Irish!

Posted by heywhatsit | May 13, 2008 2:04 PM
9

sorry Erica, wanting a woman dead doean't mean that the person is sexist. Each time that a claim of sexism is thrown out there incorrectly (especially from a female reporter) it weakens the true charges of sexism that still need to be overcome.

Posted by Wurm | May 13, 2008 2:06 PM
10

Journalists have to quantify everything. That's how they remain objective. The list serve-hounding bloggers just come out and say what they think is right (not that you're wrong on this issue).

That's the magic of this whole Internet thing. You can 'page the objective media' without actually having to communicate with anyone. I like both methods, personally.

Posted by Joseph | May 13, 2008 2:10 PM
11

I'm beginning to not like you again. I was hoping your new workload would somehow pipe you down, but it seems to have taken a completely different turn.

You're becoming almost as annoying as I am. Have fun with that.

Posted by Mr. Poe | May 13, 2008 2:12 PM
12

#9 is the winner.

But the Stranger does what the rest of the media does: blows all things out of proportion. But at least they do not choke us with sappy mindless human interest stories. For that we can watch the elderly blonde chick on King 5 News for !!!

Posted by Cato the Younger Younger | May 13, 2008 2:12 PM
13

The second sign is not saying that Hillary is somehow unfit, or incompetent due to her sex, ECB.

It's simply wishing her a gruesome, bloody death.

Posted by NapoleonXIV | May 13, 2008 2:13 PM
14

Jeez, Erica, you should have heard my 80-year-old (but still compos mentis) mother the other day in the restaurant, ranting that she'd like to kill Hillary. I thought we were going to have to tape her mouth shut before the Secret Service came rappelling down the wall.

Posted by Fnarf | May 13, 2008 2:13 PM
15

wow, and Erica pulled my post which politely pointed out how it wasn't sexist and she is doing a disservice to actual problems being caused by sexism

good job!, go reporter go!!!

Posted by Wurm | May 13, 2008 2:17 PM
16

The shirt plays on racial stereotypes, but more importantly also reminds us of who he will be replacing.

Posted by w7ngman | May 13, 2008 2:17 PM
17

whoops!, there it is, stupid reload button :P

Posted by Wurm | May 13, 2008 2:18 PM
18

I'm also mystified about the sexism. If this (tasteless) sign betrays anti-woman sentiment, would a sign that said "Why couldn't George Bush have married Lizzie Borden" be anti-male?

Or am I putting too much thought into this? Sometimes I think ECB could look at three Rorschachs and say "sexist! sexist! sexist!"?

Posted by also | May 13, 2008 2:19 PM
19

I agree with 9 and 13 - the Mulligan's sign is vile, crude and mean-spirited, but simply wishing she was dead is not, in and of itself, sexist.

Posted by Hernandez | May 13, 2008 2:22 PM
20

Curious George does not appear to have lips, which is both terrifying, and a clue that if these were supposed to be a throwback to ape-themed racial cartoons (like the kind they still have in Holland depicting black peet and Sinterklaus)then they totally did a half-assed job.

In a related story, the man in the yellow hat hates the Chinese. And irony.

Posted by jackie treehorn | May 13, 2008 2:23 PM
21

Given that domestic violence is a kind of misogyny, and that in invoking OJ specifically this sign is advocating domestic violence, I am surprised that so many commenters here are so quick to say this isn't sexism.

Posted by ben | May 13, 2008 2:24 PM
22

What Wurm @9 said.  Erica, you are a talented reporter whose credibility has been badly damaged by a series of fallacious and rabidly partisan anti-anti-Hillary posts.  By persisting with the idea that any attack on Hillary is ipso facto sexist, you risk making the damage permanent, but not only to your own reputation.  Anti-feminist ideologues will begin using your more egregious positions as rallying cries, just as you now seize on extremist gaffes to tar your opponents as a group.

Just like Dems who advocate fighting right-wingers with their own dirty tactics, you are damaging the very cause you so passionately fight for.

Posted by lostboy | May 13, 2008 2:25 PM
23

The best thing about that billboard is how the "I" statement is sandwiched between the two descriptions of the bars goods and services. Priceless.

Posted by Jerod | May 13, 2008 2:25 PM
24

Why is OJ's innocence continually mocked?

Posted by gad | May 13, 2008 2:34 PM
25

Why can you only get fresh veggies three hours out of the day?

Posted by NapoleonXIV | May 13, 2008 2:43 PM
26

@24, racism is why, racism. Or reverse sexism? I honestly am not sure which it is with Erica.

Posted by Cato the Younger Younger | May 13, 2008 2:47 PM
27

Hey, it would be better then OJ marrying a man. And if Hillary and OJ WERE married, I bet Mulligan would be happy to give them free veggies, between 11 and 2, of course.

sincerely,
diggum

Posted by diggum | May 13, 2008 2:53 PM
28

Bad taste. Something were known around the world for.

Posted by Vince | May 13, 2008 2:56 PM
29

the Real Killer is their CRAZZZY happy hour menu!

Posted by Abe | May 13, 2008 2:59 PM
30

America is racist and sexist?

WTF?!?!?!

Quit yanking my chain!

Posted by michael strangeways | May 13, 2008 3:03 PM
31

@30,

I know. Next she'll say that it's homophobic.

Posted by keshmeshi | May 13, 2008 3:10 PM
32

That kind of sign is put out by the kind of people who believe that Hillary and Bill had Vincent Foster offed. Remember, there is a 15 year campaign from the right-wing (aided and abetted by the media and many left-wingers even) to demonize and vilify the Clintons.

Posted by King Rat | May 13, 2008 3:11 PM
33

God the South simply sucks ass. It's as if they revel in their stupidity. Fuckers will never change. One of the big reasons I left that god-forsaken part of the country

Posted by TCO | May 13, 2008 3:18 PM
34

Lostboy @ 22:

Sorry, Erica is neither talented nor a reporter.

Posted by ivan | May 13, 2008 3:23 PM
35

of course! this sign was produced by the vast right-wing conspiracy! from ken starr to skanky bar marquees, they've left no stone unturned. clever bastards. what will they think of next?

Posted by brandon | May 13, 2008 3:26 PM
36

I think they call this "deflecting an attack on someone who can't figure out she's lost by whining about how mean people are in wanting you to stop helping Kaiser McCain and his Red Bushies".

Fresh veggies are always good.

But wash them first.

Posted by Will in Seattle | May 13, 2008 3:40 PM
37

After fifteen years of reading about stupid anti-Hillary reader boards scattered through the deep South like Burma Shave signs, I really can't muster the outrage to tut-tut yet another.

Posted by NapoleonXIV | May 13, 2008 3:44 PM
38

In being misogynist, they promote miscegenation. How interesting. The South's cognitive dissonance shall RISE again!

Posted by laterite | May 13, 2008 3:51 PM
39

Hating Hillary is not being sexist, it's being rational.

Expressing that hatred as a gruesome joke isn't being sexist, it's being tasteless.

Whining about other people hating Hillary and labeling it as sexism isn't being smart, interesting or correct. I'm sorry, but it's being pathetic. That's just the truth.

It's not news that there's sexism, but if you're going to write about it -- and please don't, because you and those like you have rendered the subject boring, if not irritating, while in service to Clinton, who deserves none of your respect or support -- how about using an actual, real example of it?

Posted by wahtevernevermind | May 13, 2008 3:53 PM
40

Thanks Slog. Wishing that a woman would have married a man so that he could abuse her, beat her, and kill her once she leaves him is not sexist. Greeeeeeeat. And Curious George is just a cute monkey.

Posted by poppy | May 13, 2008 4:41 PM
41

The misogynists of Slog remind me of my grandparents, who couldn't seem to understand how the n-word was racist. Insulting a black person with the n-word isn't racist because you insult white people too, right Slog commenters?

Posted by poppy | May 13, 2008 4:44 PM
42

I'm still waiting for my 2008 Misogynists of Slog Calendar to arrive.

Posted by NapoleonXIV | May 13, 2008 4:48 PM
43

poppy, when will you start having a relevant point to anything?

Posted by Bellevue Ave | May 13, 2008 4:59 PM
44

Poor, poor Erica. How do you get up each morning and face the vicious, cruel lot that is the fate of the professional victim? Why, it must be exhausting! And the toll of constantly being aggravated and aggrieved at every perceived slight & insult, no matter how tendentious or idiotic. You poor, poor, poor thing. It almost makes me feel bad for you! But then I remember that you actually have nothing better to do...

Posted by Jason E | May 13, 2008 4:59 PM
45

West Virginia was on the Union side in the Civil War, as was Indianna for that matter. While there is a lot of ignorance in the south, it certainly doesn't have a monopoly.

Posted by Mikeblanco | May 13, 2008 5:28 PM
46

Of course hating on Hillary is not automatically sexist. And of course making a gruesome joke about her or anybody else is not automatically sexist. But certainly some gruesome jokes are sexist, right?

Surely we all agree that if this sign said "I wish Hillary were raped" then it that would be sexist, yes?

So when some of us see this sign, we see it as saying "I wish somebody killed Hillary." But others of us see this sign as saying "I wish Hillary were the victim of domestic abuse."

Can't people here at least allow that the latter reading of the sign is plausible too, so it's not absolutely crazy for ECB to see this as a sexist joke about domestic violence?

Posted by ben | May 13, 2008 5:33 PM
47

The sign doesn't surprise me, but I'm still with Ben @21 and Poppy @40. Or maybe there would also be nothing sexist about this: Too bad Hillary's dad wasn't Yazidi.

Posted by spencer | May 13, 2008 5:37 PM
48

I wish Hillary had married O.J. too, because in an alternate universe O.J. would then be the president!

Posted by dreamboatcaptain | May 13, 2008 5:58 PM
49

I am -
* Male
* NOT a Hillary fan - she was my fifth or sixth choice (Above Biden and Gravel)
*Annoyed by people looking for victimization everywhere they can find it.
* Instantly struck by the sexism in the sign. Why is it sexist?
- Because it reminds us that a women should be considered in terms of whom she married.
- Perpetuates the notion that domestic violence is funny. Like it or not, domestic violence is almost always about gender roles.


If the sign read: I wish Cheney woud invite Hillary on his next hunting trip" it would be vicious and violent, but not nearly so obviously sexist.

Posted by A | May 13, 2008 7:49 PM
50

Ben, Ben, Ben. You are far too rational for the likes of Slog. Please stop. You'll upset the natives.

Posted by Julie | May 13, 2008 8:12 PM
51

The anti-Hillary sign IS sexist, in that Nichole Simpson was the victim of sexist violence ( before her murder also). She was a battered spouse. Everyone focusing on O.J.'s presumed guilt or innocence seems to forget that.
I notice that the Mulligans sign also offers free meals to border patrol agents - a portion of whom are no better than racist vigilante thugs who relish enforcing racist immigration policies, terrorizing border communities in the U.S., and cavorting with white supremacists. Somehow I doubt the anti-Hillary sign has anything to do with Obama. Mulligan sounds like a likely McCain voter.

Posted by evan | May 16, 2008 4:41 AM

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