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Thursday, May 22, 2008

Issuing Marriage Licenses to Gay Couples the Moral Equivalent of Gassing Jews

posted by on May 22 at 9:42 AM

So says Save California, an anti-gay group that is calling asking it supporters to call county clerks and demand that they refuse to issue marriage licenses to gay couples. From their website:

Ask your county clerk if they were a Nazi officer during WWII and had been ordered to gas the Jews, would they? At the Nuremberg trials, they would have been convicted of murder for following this immoral order.


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woah! that is some serious hyperbole!

Posted by Mike in MO | May 22, 2008 9:56 AM

It's a gay Auschwitz threat!

Posted by Sparky | May 22, 2008 9:57 AM

In case you have not figured it out: The GOP's total stratagy for 2008 is make liberals the same as Nazi's. Just take a look at what has been going on: Bush and his appeasement speach in Isreal, and now this.

Expect Obama to have a doctored picture of him with a Charlie Chaplin mustache anytime.

Posted by Cato the Younger Younger | May 22, 2008 9:58 AM

That has to be one of the most patently OFFENSIVE statements I think I've ever read!

Equating the desire for two adults to engage in a social contract that allows them to share legal, financial and social rights, responsibilities and obligations, with the brutal execution of six million jews, gypsies, gays (!), and other "undesirables" is reprehensible almost beyond comprehension.

Those of you who profess "Christian Values", but who disagree with these unambiguously bigoted, hateful purveyors of filth need to stand up and let your fellow "believers" know, in no uncertain terms, that this is unacceptible, and will NOT be tolerated.

Posted by COMTE | May 22, 2008 10:03 AM

It's not offensive, it's funny and self-destructive. By making themselves laughingstocks, Save California is doing their part to push everyone who's not utterly psychotic over to the side of marriage equality. We should be thanking them!

Posted by also | May 22, 2008 10:08 AM

The Internet is escaping into real life...

Posted by Abby | May 22, 2008 10:15 AM

But Pastor Hagee said the Nazis were a god-sent force for good. I'm confused.

Posted by The Artist Formerly Known As Sigourney Beaver | May 22, 2008 10:20 AM

Marriage is equivalent to death?

Posted by PopTart | May 22, 2008 10:30 AM

I'm with also @ 5. This is great. If the wingnuts are reduced to risable arguments like this, they must be seriously running out of ammunition.

Posted by Kalakalot | May 22, 2008 10:32 AM

If your pastor stood at the pulpit and ordered you to wait outside gay bars and beat up faggots, would you?

Posted by Jake | May 22, 2008 10:54 AM

Wow, apparently Moore's Law and Godwin's Law are merging into one.

As a discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one. The length of the discussion needed to approach one will shrink by 50% every year.

Posted by Mike of Renton | May 22, 2008 11:05 AM

Horrifying. . . . I have no words. No words.

Well, other than to say that whoever wrote that has completely mocked the persecution, pain, and suffering of six million jews, blacks, gays, and other "undesirables" labeled such by the Nazi agenda. That is by far one of the most offensive thing I've heard yet.

Posted by MarsAttack | May 22, 2008 11:24 AM

The amusing part is when Communists like the GOP try to call liberals Nazis.

I mean, seriously?

Posted by Will in Seattle | May 22, 2008 11:25 AM

Oh man, I so call Godwin on that shit.

Posted by Breklor | May 22, 2008 11:30 AM

They also reference the Dred Scott case which defedned the property rights of slave owners. It is very odd that they are using examples of heinous civil rights violations to deny civil rights to a group they don't like.

Posted by inkweary | May 22, 2008 11:48 AM

Where's the best place to send money to help defeat their godawful anti-marriage ammendment? The forces of good on this issue need our money now.

Posted by Fire with fire | May 22, 2008 12:05 PM

Man, the Xtian wingnuts are really getting desperate. Won't it be interesting when they finally turn to actual terrorism. Gitmo's going to get some bible thumpers to put next to the Koran nuts!

Posted by Westside forever | May 22, 2008 12:09 PM

They are desperate to get out the zealots in this election. This is the revolting non-sense they resort to because these people aren't motivated by John McLame.

Posted by Vince | May 22, 2008 12:17 PM

What? Like you are all surprised at a comment like this? This is yet another symptom of the dumbing down of public discourse. Hardly surprising after the last 8 years.

Posted by T.G. | May 22, 2008 12:22 PM

fucking dirtbags.

Posted by catnextdoor | May 22, 2008 12:26 PM

Someone should blast some crabgas on the Save California folks.

Posted by edsbowlingshoe | May 22, 2008 12:41 PM

Ask yourself if any of the morally righteous folks over at Save California would have refused to sign an order sending a gay man to the concentration camps. Go ahead. Try not to laugh.

Posted by Bruce Garrett | May 22, 2008 1:31 PM

And...I see they're invoking Dred Scott too. I have a question. Why do you never see these groups invoking Plessy v. Ferguson as an example of bad law that should be civilly disobeyed?

I know...I know...

Posted by Bruce Garrett | May 22, 2008 2:34 PM

"Save California" has a point in that the California Supreme Court is expressly prohibited by their constitution from making law. Assuming the Court has a valid constitutional argument against the marriage restriction, instead of extending the marriage laws to gays they should have struck down California's marriage laws altogether.

Posted by TheyHaveOnePoint | May 22, 2008 3:30 PM

Um, TheyHaveOnePoint, do you have any idea what you're talking about? The Court didn't make law. It found the prohibition unconstitutional. If that's the same as making law, then the Court couldn't do anything.

Posted by Dean P | May 22, 2008 6:07 PM

24: The CA Supreme Court found that baning gay marriage violated both the liberty and equality rights as outlined in that state's constitution: a fact that was stated in just about every news article on the ruling. The decision explicitly parallels the US Supreme Court's ruling in Loving v. Virgina--do you feel that the federal SC should have struck down all state's marriage laws, rather than (as they did) extend them fairly to everyone?

I do believe that getting the government out of the marriage business is an idea with some merit, since a lot of the strife around this area stems from the fact that marriage is the name both for a civil institution and a religious sacrament. Calling the piece of paper the government gives you something else would eliminate the argument that churches should have some say in who can have a civil marriage and who can't. But that *would* be creating a new law, which is something no court can do, so it wasn't an option for the CA court.

Posted by Alex | May 22, 2008 8:41 PM

They're just trying to protect gays from the horrors of marriage that they themselves are experiencing. It's the ultimate Christian act of selflessness. How can you not see that?

Posted by Ivan | May 23, 2008 8:37 AM

Bible-banging Jesus Nazis and other Kooky Konsherdative Khristians have used this kind of rhetoric before. One appropriate response would be to look in the Yellow Pages and call your local Assemblies of God, Vineyard, Southern Baptist or Church of the Nazarene congregation and just ask them how many child-molesting Christo-fascists they have guarding their nurseries. Then send some money to your local UCC, MCC or welcoming Episcopalian, United Methodist, Roman Catholic, ELCA Lutheran, PCUSA Presbyterian or Disciples of Christ Christian church or to Harry Knox at HRC or the Institute of Welcoming Resources (despite its record of wrongful discrimination on other grounds) at the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force.

Posted by Eric Peters | May 23, 2008 10:37 AM

As good an idea as that is and how nice it sounds, Christians would never go for it. You'd have to pry the word marriage out of their cold, dead fingers.

Posted by kat | May 23, 2008 4:09 PM

Hey, It's like, marriage is a gas, man.

Posted by Jon | May 23, 2008 7:13 PM

This just betrays how stupid conservatives really are. The Nazis didn't just persecute Jews. They persecuted gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses and HOMOSEXUALS. If anyone can be compared to the Nazis, it's the people who want to deprive homosexuals of the basic dignity of rights accorded to all human beings.

Posted by Nico | May 23, 2008 7:32 PM

OOhhh...words are dangerous around here. The people who expressed their opinions have a right to do so. At least for now. So what if you or I do not like what they have to say. But it worked. It got the attention of myself and scores of others.

Posted by Bob S. Laquer | May 23, 2008 10:59 PM

these comments are BEYOND insane

Posted by queerunity | May 24, 2008 2:01 PM

Does anyone see hypocrasy in those lines?

The person who wrote that is persecuting Gays and Lesbians like the Nazi's were persecuting Jews.

Gays and Lesbians in America are also becoming a scapegoat to the moral decay as well as the economic downfall of the United States.
Jews were also a scapegoat to the economic decline of Germany.

Those who are persecuting the LGBT community are the Nazi's. Not those who identify themselves with the LGBT.

If this person wants to bring up parallels between Nazi's and Jews versus Conservatives and the LGBT Community, they should realize who is persecuting whom.

Posted by John | May 24, 2008 2:56 PM

It looks like they took that passage down and replaced it with a slightly less offensive one.

Posted by gryph | May 26, 2008 7:39 AM

The Nazis sure do like to talk about gassing people, don't they?

Posted by Thomas Mc | May 26, 2008 8:35 AM

"Ask your county clerk if they were a Nazi officer during WWII and had been ordered to gas the Jews, would they?"

Nevermind anything else: is this even a grammatical sentence?

It seems symptomatic of schizophrenia to me.

Posted by kh | May 26, 2008 11:42 AM

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