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Tuesday, May 13, 2008

Clinton Wins West Virginia

posted by on May 13 at 18:30 PM

So sayeth the exit polls. She plans to deliver a victory speech around 5:30 PST; Obama will not be speaking at all tonight.

The race factor? Here’s what ABC says:

Racially motivated voting appeared to be running higher than usual: Two in 10 whites said the race of the candidate was a factor in their vote, second only to Mississippi. And only a third of those voters said they’d support Obama as the nominee against Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., fewer than in other primaries where the question has been asked.

And here’s the clickable exit poll for your perusing.

Notable: 70 percent of voters had no college education; 70 percent of voters want the nomination fight to continue; 50 percent of voters said Obama shares the views of Rev. Wright; 95 percent of the voters were white; 21 percent said the race of the candidate was important; and of those white voters who said the race of the candidate was important, 84 percent voted for Clinton.

UPDATE: Moments after the polls close, a Clinton fund raising email:

After tonight’s tremendous victory here in West Virginia, it’s clear that the pundits declaring this race over have it all wrong. The voters in West Virginia spoke loud and clear — they want this contest to go on.

I’m listening to the voters — and to you.

With your help, I’m going to carry the energy of tonight’s victory into the next contests in Kentucky and Oregon. And just as always, I’ll be depending on you to share every step of this journey with me. You have worked your heart out, put yourself on the line for what you believe in, and given generously. And I’m not about to turn my back on you.

We’ve proved conventional wisdom wrong time and again in this race. We did it again tonight in West Virginia. Let’s keep going.

Also via Ben Smith: Is Hillary Clinton becoming the Al Sharpton of white people? Chris Matthews thinks so.

5: 50 p.m. Terry McCauliffe says this is going to be one of the best Clinton speeches ever.

6:15 p.m. I’m listening to Clinton’s speech on NPR this time. It begins:

My friends, the faith of The Mountain State has moved me. I am more determined than ever to carry on this campaign until everyone has had a chance to make their voices heard.

She contends that the race “isn’t over yet” and, telethon-style, solicits donations and plugs her campaign web site. And then she makes a direct appeal to the superdelegates:

I want to send a message to everyone still making up their minds. I am in this race because I believe I am the strongest candidate. The strongest candidate to lead our party in November of 2008, and the strongest president to lead our nation starting January of 2009. I can win this nomination…

I deeply admire senator Obama. But I believe our case—a case West Virginia has helped us make—our case is stronger.

She reminded that no Democrat has won the White House since 1916 without winning West Virginia and told people not to listen to the pundits who say the race is over.

The question is, Why do so many people keep voting? … In the face of the pundits and the naysayers, they know what is at stake.

I’m asking that people think hard about where we are in this election, about how we will win in November, because this is not an abstract exercise, this is for a solemn, crucial purpose.

It has been a long campaign, but it is just an instant in time compared with the lasting consequences of the choice we will make in November.


The bottom line is this. The White House is won in the swing states and I am winning the swing states.

Returns currently have her beating Obama 2-1 in West Virginia.

6:30 p.m. I have to run, but the comment thread is yours. Will the superdelegates listen to her plea? What should Obama say tomorrow? What justification does Clinton have for claiming that she “can win this nomination”? What really is her endgame here?

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65-31 split means roughly 19 delegates for clinton, 9 for obama.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | May 13, 2008 4:40 PM

She should thank the voters of West Virginia for letting her go out on a high note, and then concede.

Posted by Giffy | May 13, 2008 4:45 PM

I don't know if going out on a tide of racism is really a high note. It would be awesome if she conceded though.

I have been to WV one time and at the gas station there was a guy wearing a shirt that said, "I've got the dick so I make the rules."

Scary scary place.

Posted by cbc | May 13, 2008 4:56 PM

For every person who said race is an issue, there's probably another one who said race isn't an issue - but to whom race really is an issue. And those people will all be McCain voters come November.

Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty | May 13, 2008 4:58 PM

5280, is your point that people are racist even though they arent open about it? are you going to let racists scare you into voting for someone else? are you weak willed or do you just pretend to be for laughs on slog?

Posted by Bellevue Ave | May 13, 2008 5:00 PM

West Virginia serves two purposes in the United States. It provides the country with coal and it allows every other state to feel like Vermont in comparison.

Posted by The Artist Formerly Known As Sigourney Beaver | May 13, 2008 5:09 PM

Why do we even care what this hillbilly trash thinks? Americans aren't the brightest bunch of people, but West Virginia is the bottom of the gene pool. Even worse than Texas, Right down there with Alabama.

Hillary should be embarrassed by their support.

Posted by Queasy about Hillary. | May 13, 2008 5:09 PM

I mostly agree with the 50-state strategy but if there's one to write off, it's West Virginia.

Posted by Jake | May 13, 2008 5:11 PM

Just making an observation, BA; it won't affect how I vote one way or the other.

Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty | May 13, 2008 5:19 PM

Racism is the last resort of the economically desperate. If West Virginians had any hope for the future, they'd be able to get past it.

Posted by Fnarf | May 13, 2008 5:20 PM

Hey, stop with the WV bashing, folks. Insulting constituencies who don't vote for you is primarily a Clintonian pastime. You should know that, you insignificant-state-inhabiting "activist" not-real-Democrats.

Posted by tsm | May 13, 2008 5:23 PM

Notable: 70 percent of West Virginia voters think Obama's got a mighty pretty mouth.

Posted by DOUG. | May 13, 2008 5:24 PM

I take this as a sign of progress -- the hillbillies may not vote for a black man, but they will vote for a woman.

Posted by dreamboatcaptain | May 13, 2008 5:30 PM

It's easy to call West Virginians names, but I'd rather have just about any one of those Cletuses backing me up in a barfight than one of you squealing fey Seattle bitches. Christ. Or fixing my pickup. Bus schedules - definitely you twerps.

Posted by Bob | May 13, 2008 5:31 PM

dreamboatcaptain, that would be better said as: "They hate the black man so much they'll even vote for a woman instead."

Posted by youknowitstrue | May 13, 2008 5:32 PM

So ...

Basically, Clinton won the Stupid Vote?

Wow ...

I wouldn't be bragging about that one.

Posted by Will in Seattle | May 13, 2008 5:34 PM

@15: It would have been interesting to ask the exit polled if they would have preferred to see a white man in the race, and how many would openly admit to it.

Posted by dreamboatcaptain | May 13, 2008 5:37 PM

Mountaintop removal and the roll back of mining regulations apparently can't convince these people not to vote Republican. Pathetic.

Posted by keshmeshi | May 13, 2008 5:38 PM

"And only a third of those voters"

Is "those voters" all whites or just the 2 in 10 whites?

Posted by w7ngman | May 13, 2008 5:40 PM

I love how CNN has a headline saying "Will West Virginia change the race?" I'm going to take a daring stance on that one: No.

Posted by tsm | May 13, 2008 5:48 PM

Bob (@14) just because a person is stupid doesn't mean they can fix a pickup or "back you up" in a barfight.

Spend some time around hicks - as I have - and you'll soon learn their net export is meth addiction and illegitimate children. So can the simple-minded working class bullshit.

Posted by bob's a knob | May 13, 2008 5:51 PM

West Virginia is backwards compared to... 0.3% of the population of Seattle.

Posted by umvue | May 13, 2008 5:52 PM

On Race: When people answer "the race of the candidate was important" it means they answered "the race of the candidate was important". Until you have data showing some kind of correlation of this response with anything in reality that matters it's all speculation. Anyway, this IS America - Race ALWAYS matters.

Posted by umvue | May 13, 2008 5:57 PM

Nastyass crackers can't be trusted to paint your house, let alone select a leader.

Posted by Beverley Hillbillies | May 13, 2008 6:00 PM

The Clintons are right though. All those pundits who said Obama was going to win West Virgina have been proven wrong. Decisively.

I can only imagine how embarrassed they must be feeling now.

Posted by elenchos | May 13, 2008 6:02 PM

I can just see Hillary's pitch to superdelegates now: "Well, I clobbered Obama in the uneducated and racist demographics, and, let's face it, Americans are mostly uneducated and racist, so I'm the only one with a chance to win in November."

I guess it is the opposite of elitism, in a way. Still not something to be proud of, though.

Posted by also | May 13, 2008 6:03 PM

Swing states? West Virginia?

I mean, I wanted to watch 'the greatest speech ever' and it feels like I'm listening to someone tell me how the Mariners are going come back and win the AL West. Who the fuck cares?

Posted by Dr. Gonzo | May 13, 2008 6:18 PM

"Two in 10 whites said the race of the candidate was a factor in their vote"

And why is a first term senator the probable nominee? well, sure he was against the invasion of Iraq, but really, who wasn't?, other than the White House, one guy in Great Brittan and one syndicated sex columnist, well ok, there were a few other nut cases, but being against starting a war is hardly unique.
Some make the mistake of thinking that not wanting to be known as someone who told Sadam that he could do whatever he wanted without consequences is the same as wanting war. Just because you are carrying a big stick doesn't mean you have to use it.

I'd guess that the proportion is more like 8 out of 10, it's how race is a factor that counts.

Posted by Epimetheus | May 13, 2008 6:22 PM

Hillary winning West Virginia is like the Globetrotters beating the Washington Generals, a.k.a, meeting expectations.

I really just can't stand it anymore. This is a really horrible speech.

Posted by Dr. Gonzo | May 13, 2008 6:30 PM

I love the post hoc reasoning employed: every victorious candidate since the early 20th century has won West Virginia, therefore West Virginia has something to do with winning the presidency. Nice logic, Camp Clinton!

Posted by Jay | May 13, 2008 6:36 PM

she got a fucking 10 delegate boost!

Posted by Bellevue Ave | May 13, 2008 6:42 PM

Hey congrats to HRC.

Pretty good speech, no great shakes.

She's going to win everything she can and not quit.

Why can't Obama be the one winning by 30 points? He has more work to do and more bridges to build if he wants to put together the biggest coalition possible and try to win in all 50 states.

Posted by PC | May 13, 2008 6:43 PM

It's very hard for police to solve crimes in West Virginia. No dental records and everyone has the same DNA.

Posted by RainMan | May 13, 2008 6:50 PM

PC, because obama got tired of winning by 30 points in states...are you a fucking Alzheimer patient or just stupid on purpose?

Posted by Bellevue Ave | May 13, 2008 6:51 PM

Remind me to never go to WV.....

Posted by catnextdoor | May 13, 2008 6:55 PM

@21 sure some are just hicks but I noticed you didn't challenge the other half of my statement - what worthless little emo butterflies you sensitive arrogant little Seattlites would be in a barfight.

I'll still take a toothless yokel from West Virginia on the front side of a meth run for backup. He wouldn't squeal at the sight of a big assed hunting knife. He'd actually know how to use it. Last time I checked Biscotti didn't make an adequate edged weapon.

I'm still saying when the Islamoterrorists fire up the evinrudes on their zodiacs, they are heading for Seattle.

Posted by Bob | May 13, 2008 7:01 PM

So Obama supports are calling Hillary divisive? What about calling a whole state uneducated, racist and totally unimportant? I have not seen anything close to that from Sen. Clintons campaign...Congrats Hillary! And all you other supporters, DONT SINK TO THEIR LEVEL, Keep your heads high and continue to fighting for what we believe in!

Posted by BCnOR | May 13, 2008 7:13 PM

Tomorrow Obama will widen his superdelegate lead.

Posted by Fnarf | May 13, 2008 7:18 PM

This doesn't really have anything to do with the primaries, but, I have to say, coming from a firmly white trash background I would take a Seattlite, yuppie, latte drinker over pwt anyday in a fight. Most yuppies I know workout on a regular basis, take the occassional boxing, kickboxing, or jiu-jitsu class, and in Seattle almost everyone runs, skis, snowshoes, mountain climbs, mountain bikes, kayaks, etc. The only way most hicks get their heart beating fast is smokingcigarettes after polishing off a bucket of KFC. Endurence, strength, fighting skills are not a priority for someone who has, let's face it, no priorities. I would concede marksmanship, though.

Posted by Dan | May 13, 2008 7:21 PM

Does this happen to you often, Bob? Do you often find yourself needing backup in imaginary fights with pretend bad-guys?

Posted by six shooter | May 13, 2008 7:29 PM

Gah. Hillary Clinton is delusional. She's just trying to get $$ now to pay off her debt.

Posted by Michigan Matt (soon to be Balt-o-matt) | May 13, 2008 7:29 PM

Geez, 37% though? I don't think anyone anticipated that.

Posted by Nobody in Particular | May 13, 2008 7:32 PM

The only question left in my mind is who has Jesco White endorsed?

Posted by quilsone | May 13, 2008 7:32 PM

Actually, @42, most polls predicted a similar result.

Posted by tsm | May 13, 2008 7:33 PM

So, not that I'm trying to derail the importance of the snot-nosed puffery of the Obama fanatics on this thread or anything, but 90% of winning a barfight is attitude and REI clad Seattle gym warriors just don't have that same crazy assed West Virginian skill set. @39, your post is hilarious. Seriously. Jiu-jitsu class and kayaks.

Posted by Bob | May 13, 2008 7:37 PM

In other news that both Clinton and Obama fans may both be able to celebrate, the Democrats just gained another House seat tonight, in MS.

Posted by tsm | May 13, 2008 7:39 PM

i have to agree with 45 on this one too. exhibit -


Posted by quilsone | May 13, 2008 7:42 PM

Congrats Rep.Childers! IF you are now a superdelegate, VOTE FOR HILLARY!!!

Posted by BCnOR | May 13, 2008 7:44 PM

It's disrespectful to call WV voters hicks for admitting to racially-motivated voting, when it's a well-educated northern candidate who's making a direct racial appeal to them as white people, and telling them it's OK to vote based on race.

Posted by BB | May 13, 2008 7:44 PM

WV, by the way, elects Ds a lot. Don't they have D senators and Gov?

Back to Hilary's first I thought it was just her "help me retire my campaign debt" speech, but then she started in on a real fire and brimstone speech on how she's going to win and how all of the delegates from MI and FL need to be seated. Then she went back to a "whoever is the nominee" tone. It left me more confused than anything.

Posted by ahava | May 13, 2008 7:44 PM

More devastating news for Republicans: Mississippi's 1st District just elected a Dem. That's a true-red Bush district. MS is now 3-1 Democrats. The lone Republican isn't running in '08.

I smell something historic brewing.

Posted by Fnarf | May 13, 2008 7:50 PM

Hillary's entire argument now is "the white people won't vote for him". That's what her camp is saying, so I guess they're okay with the racism as long as it works in her favor.

Posted by Tanya | May 13, 2008 7:54 PM


Yeah, but the hicks got nothin' to lose.

Posted by keshmeshi | May 13, 2008 7:55 PM

You make the assumption that the hicks would be willing to back you up. I grew up in a trailer park, and most of the hicks I know would rather kick your ass and steal your wallet to score some ice. Hell, I would rather do that than support some jackass in a bar fight.

Posted by Tanya | May 13, 2008 8:03 PM

Prediction: Obama carries WV in November.

Unless Appalachia becomes the center of a new political bloc, the rump of a new Republican remnant, doomed to 25% of the national vote for the next few decades.

Posted by Fnarf | May 13, 2008 8:05 PM

"As the Clinton campaign noted in a strategy memorandum on Tuesday, no Democrat has won the White House without winning West Virginia since 1916."

but no Democrat has won the White House without winning the primary, right?

Posted by cochise. | May 13, 2008 8:09 PM

I just want to see this shit over with so the attack on McCain can begin. Come on already, motherfuckers. Enough with this endless inter-Democrat feud. I'm ready to post a McCain "gook" remix on youtube!

Posted by Jay | May 13, 2008 8:13 PM

56: Yeah, it's just a lame post hoc argument.

Posted by Jay | May 13, 2008 8:14 PM

Ideally, Obama should get al the super delegates he can between now and Oregon on tuesday, so Oregon could put him over the top. Then it's like, boom bitch!

Posted by Dr. Gonzo | May 13, 2008 8:14 PM

No Democrat has won the White House without a penis since forever, too. About as relevant.

Posted by Fnarf | May 13, 2008 8:17 PM

@59: I want a t-shirt that says, "Like BOOM, bitch!"

Posted by Ziggity | May 13, 2008 8:19 PM


Sen. Clinton can win in the swing states needed to take the White House in NOV. She wins with the middle class, hard working American voter, She has the support of older, do or die dem's, women, just to name a few. I think that you calling these groups racist or insinuate that is rude and ridiculous. Hillary inspires people, but has know how and experience behind that inspiration! Obama, also inspires people, a great number of people. But it truly frieghtens me to think that we could possibly lose this election come NOV. Hillary can win against MCcain, Obama cannot! Maybe in the future, but not now! We cant take a chance with this election!

Posted by BCnOR | May 13, 2008 8:19 PM

Is West Virginia really a swing state? And seriously, a dem winning this state in the gen election? right. Neither will win it. It never ceases to amaze me how primaries are supposed to reflect general elections for the individual candidate, but only when it helps there image. Suddenly W. VA swings the election. Whatever.

Posted by hal | May 13, 2008 8:26 PM

Sorry if this has already been addressed, but how come no one's talking at all about today's results in Nebraska? I mean, not even a teeny-tiny mention? Is there some wackiness by which those delegates don't count?

Posted by leek | May 13, 2008 8:28 PM


Seriously, how dense are you? The exit polling from WV shows overwhelmingly that these are racists who won't vote for a black person.

And seriously, why should anybody give a fuck about the ignorant, illiterate vote? Haven't we already had enough leadership chosen by the dumbest among us?

Posted by AMB | May 13, 2008 8:34 PM

@62 - Why deny the issue of race? Not all of these people are racist, but really, you can't possibly admit that a significant portion of these voters wouldn't vote for a black man? They said it themselves. You demand loyalty from black voters, but you clearly don't want to return it.

Posted by hal | May 13, 2008 8:34 PM

The Nebraska primary is a Republican non-binding primary. So: 1)it doesn't matter, McCain is already the presumptive nominee, 2)it doesn't really count anyway (non-binding), and 3)no one here cares about it (all Republicans raise your hand).

Posted by Will in STL | May 13, 2008 8:37 PM

Tanya @54, I have no doubt that the probability of a WV hick backing me up reliably is much much less than a foregone conclusion, and indeed I would likely be at risk of a rear attack while fending off angry Seattleites in a barfight, just as I am quite certain that if I had to rely on a Seattle hipster or yuppie-scum for backup that I could expect to hear shrieking as one runs for a bus and as the other sparks away on his rollerblades.

That isn't the point. The point remains, a WV hick is of a true warrior caste and brings a sort of primeval intelligence to the fray. You could fight your way through hell with an 86 Dodge Caravan full of em.

Posted by Bob | May 13, 2008 8:38 PM

@65 and 66

93% of african american voters in NC voted for Obama....just to refresh you memory.

Posted by BCnOR | May 13, 2008 8:39 PM

Well, the AP results on certainly have Democratic numbers. Are you saying Republican voters chose between Obama and Clinton?

Posted by leek | May 13, 2008 8:40 PM

@57: Obama was in Missouri today. He's already starting to go national against McCain.

And those who say we shouldn't bash WV as a state full of illiterate inbred hillbillies should keep in mind that it went for Bush both times. What have the Republicans done for the people of Appalachia? I would respect them more if they were actually smart enough to realize that cutting taxes for rich people didn't make the economy better for the rest of us (how do West Virginians like paying $4 for a gallon of gas and rationing rice at CostCo?) but they will likely continue to vote Republican because their fundamentalist preachers and Faux News tell them that abortion and gay rights are the only important issues facing the country. And they will then smugly congratulate themselves for voting their "values" (i.e. bigotry) rather than their pocketbooks. "I may not have a job and live in a tar paper shack and would starve if it weren't for food stamps, but at least I voted to stop gay people from getting married! Jesus will let me into heaven for sure!" The news from Mississippi is hopeful, but we'll see if it lasts into November.

Posted by RainMan | May 13, 2008 8:44 PM

Actually, the exit poll says 41% have no college education.

A better-educated and less prejudiced audience might have been sensitive to the distinction.

Meanwhile, Obama is at 26% in WV, and trending toward 25% ... while pundits uniformly consider McCain's 70+% in his residual primaries problematic.

Posted by RonK, Seattle | May 13, 2008 8:50 PM


Can you tell me why a black person would vote for Clinton given all the race baiting engaged in by her campaign?

Posted by AMB | May 13, 2008 8:53 PM

@69 - And? Black people are not voting against Hillary because they wouldn't vote for a white candidate. That is clear, given the undying loyalty black voters have had for the Clinton's. Many black people are inspired by Obama, and are witnessing an event they never thought would take place, but they are not voting against Hillary because she's white. Two completely different scenarios.

Posted by hal | May 13, 2008 8:57 PM


If I get this straight, when Capitol Hill Obamaniacs call others racist, stupid and inbred, that's just fine. Because you all know The Truth and anybody who disagrees has got to be a moron.

You people live in a never-never land.

My hope is that posts here represent the same 2 or 3 jerks, but they're posting under different names.

Otherwise, jeesh, what a collection of losers you are.

It's going to be President McCain, and you know it.

Oh, how you will post away on election night, when McGovern -- I mean, Obama, of course -- loses.

And loses in a landslide because the stupid American voters didn't go for his inexperience, didn't go for his explanations about the reverend, didn't go for his explanations about 60s bomb-planting friends, and decided that Michelle is just a bit too mean.

Posted by Mr. Astonished | May 13, 2008 8:58 PM

"Notable: 70 percent of voters had no college education"

That is notable, if only because it's a figure that mirrors the percentage of college-educated Americans, too. WV may be more representative than you think.

Posted by k | May 13, 2008 8:59 PM

She has not engaged in anything of the sort. This campaign should be about the human race! And Sen. Clinton has fought for minorites, women and child consistently for 35 years! She is a proven leader, who will continue to fight for everyone in this Country!

Posted by BCnOR | May 13, 2008 9:00 PM

Seriously, @73 has it right. Black voters have been voting for whites for years, even over blacks. Notice that the black community didn't really go gaga for Carol Moseley-Braun or Al Sharpton in 2004? And why did Hillary do well with black voters in polls back in 2007?

Posted by tsm | May 13, 2008 9:00 PM

BTW, let's not forget that people voted for other in this race as well. Not a good portent for either candidate. We need a nominee now.

Posted by hal | May 13, 2008 9:00 PM

@76 Yes, anyone who doesn't worship at the alter of Queen Hillary is delusional, because as we all know, someone with at least a 50% negative rating, who is rated as dishonest by at least 50% of her own party is just going to sweep up in the general election. My guess is these hard working white people (funny how all of you claiming she doesn't play race find excuses for that) will vote for Hillary in the primary, and turn right around and vote for McCain in the general election. Look, if Hillary wins it, she wins it. She ain't winning it now. Deal with it.

Posted by hal | May 13, 2008 9:12 PM

@76, you sound extremely confident in your old man's assured victory. Would you care to put your mouth where your anonymous troll is, and suck our fat cocks on Election Night when (not if) Obama wins in a landslide?

Posted by You're On | May 13, 2008 9:17 PM

Nothing happened today that wasn't called weeks ago. Nothing has changed. The result in West Virginia was no surprise, not even to the candidate whose response is to celebrate as though something impossible has just taken place. Poor deluded woman just doesn't get it.

Vote experience -- Hillary/Monica 2008

Posted by Auric | May 13, 2008 9:33 PM

Just a note - John Edwards got more votes for him than John McCain did in WV - and John Edwards only got 8 percent of the Democratic vote tonight.

Must suck to be McCain ...

Posted by Will in Seattle | May 13, 2008 9:40 PM

Congratulations to Senator Clinton and her campaign.

Posted by Bub | May 13, 2008 9:53 PM
And Sen. Clinton has fought for minorites, women and child consistently for 35 years!

You're a perfect caricature of a Hillary supporter. Prove this statement.

Hillary has spent plenty of those 35 years doing nothing for minorities, women, and children. Hardly consistent.

Posted by keshmeshi | May 13, 2008 9:54 PM

The big downside of this for Hillary is that, although she swept among the nice white simple country folk of West Virginny, them po' white t nice white country folk don't got much money to give 'er.

Morgan Spurlock notwithstanding.

Posted by K | May 13, 2008 9:58 PM

This is too little and too late for Hillary. As will be her narrow lead in Kentucky, as she is trounced in Oregon.

Posted by Grant Cogswell | May 13, 2008 10:00 PM

I hope to see an Americans for Hilary Party. After all, it worked for Lieberman. Then all you Obamamanics can go sleep with each other without protection, knowing that Our Mountain Mama will take care of you with her healthcare plan.

All you'd get with Obama would be reparation payments. Rainier Valley would be the new Medina.

Posted by All Hail Our Glorious Hillary!!!! | May 13, 2008 10:32 PM

BCinOR & others who think Clinton can ever win the votes of AAs again should think again. As an AA, it's not going to happen. We will NOT vote for her. No strawman. It's not going to happen. We'd rather see her go down in flames in the GE. ...It's a moot point anyway, because Obama will be the nominee. Now, either get on board or get left behind.

Posted by Fitz | May 13, 2008 10:44 PM

While I think that labeling everyone from West Virginia as a toothless hillbilly is counter-productive, I distinctly remember driving through W.V. in the early nineties and asking my parents why there were so many broken refrigerators littered alongside the road. They laughed… Hard. I finally get it.

Posted by Looptid | May 13, 2008 11:04 PM

"Sen. Clinton has fought for minorites, women and child consistently for 35 years! She is a proven leader, who will continue to fight for everyone in this Country!"

This is your brain on drugs.

Posted by AMB | May 13, 2008 11:56 PM

oh man. it's gotten way off topic, but that bob guy is a pain in the ass. i am most definitely a fey grad school student, but my 5'10" 145 pound self can kick your ass and change your oil at the same time.

Posted by konstantconsumer | May 14, 2008 12:08 AM

Thank you konstantconsumer. In the words of Meatloaf: "You took the words right out of my mouth"...

Posted by kelly | May 14, 2008 12:31 AM

the goober vote

Posted by yuiop | May 14, 2008 12:44 AM

Which candidate is winning the popular vote and which is winning caucuses? It seems to me that caucus votes mean very little as popular votes are all that count in the general election. So , taking that into account, who is actually in the lead (able to beat McCain)?

Posted by Who should be nominated? | May 14, 2008 2:26 AM

@96 that would be 1) Obama and 2) Obama.

What's you point?

Posted by cochise. | May 14, 2008 7:34 AM

Run Forrest Run!

She can run if she wants to. The whole thing is a bit weird though. And West Virginia voting for a loser is stupid. Basically not having an election everywhere at the same time is a recipe for a freak show.

The blatant appeal to the super delegates is just freakish. Every vote and demographic and twinkle and twist has to be spun in a position paper explaining why she should be "selected" as the best candidate by a forum of a few hundred people. It's a lame system. It's practically communist. Obama could certainly lose but let's just get on with it.

I've switched back against the dream ticket though. It's almost like if he picked her now she bullied him into it by being so obnoxious.

Posted by daniel | May 14, 2008 8:00 AM

The fact that Hillary is preferred in swing states doesn't mean that all of her supporters will stay home or vote for McCain in the fall. I think she assumes that the idiot masses will miss this point.

Posted by violet_dagrinder | May 14, 2008 8:02 AM


Posted by Greg | May 14, 2008 9:25 AM

P.S. What's the comparable (no college degree) exit poll result for high-tech, high-ed Massachusetts?

Posted by RonK, Seattle | May 14, 2008 10:19 AM

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