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Tuesday, March 11, 2008

There is No Morality Without Religion

posted by on March 11 at 15:48 PM

Two young men desecrated a Catholic shrine Colorado—and guess what, Joel Connelly? They weren’t representatives of the intolerant secular left.

Photos posted on the Internet show three Mormon missionaries mocking a Catholic shrine and holding the broken head of a statue of a saint there, a church official said.

Costilla County Sheriff Gilbert Martinez said deputies on Monday were beginning to investigate whether the men vandalized the Shrine of the Mexican Martyrs at the Chapel of All Saints, which stands on a butte overlooking San Luis.

The photos show young men holding the broken head of a statue, preaching from the Book of Mormon at an altar and pretending to sacrifice one another.

You have to love this quote from a spokesman for the Mormon church:

”We have a history of people doing things like this to us, so we’re mortified that our missionaries would do it to someone else.”

You gotta love the way the Mormon church spokesman strains to shift the focus to his own church’s victimization. Can’t the Mormon just say sorry, offer to pay to have the statue restored, promise to work with the authorities, and then shut the fuck up? No, he can’t. Because a carefully nurtured persecution complex has become an article of faith for all American Christians—even Mormons, who most American Christians don’t believe to be Christians at all. Which is very intolerant of them, don’t you think?

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A carefully nurtured persecution complex has become an article of faith for all American Christians—even, you know, the Mormons, who most American Christians [persecute].

Posted by nbc | March 11, 2008 3:57 PM

Well, actually, they did offer to ay to replace the statue, but only after the story made the news.

Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty | March 11, 2008 4:01 PM

But wait, aren't you shifting the story to Joe Conneley's victimization of the secular left? Instead of being about the desecration of a shrine, you're exploiting this as a chance to undermine those who think you need religion.

I'm just saying. Seems like a lot of people these days use everything they find to perpetuate their victimization complex.

Posted by elenchos | March 11, 2008 4:04 PM

"To ay to?" Either my BlackBerry is possessed by demons or your server is. My money's on the BlackBerry because, you know, they endorsed Obama.

Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty | March 11, 2008 4:06 PM
Posted by NapoleonXIV | March 11, 2008 4:09 PM

Wait. Three mormon missionaries? I thought they only came in pods of two.

Posted by Jerod | March 11, 2008 4:11 PM

"You gotta love the way the Mormon church spokesman strains to shift the focus to his own church’s victimization. "

Not the first time.

"It's typical of Mormon people to love all people, but especially Jewish people. I wear a mezuzah just to remind me, to make sure that there is never another Holocaust anywhere. You see, the Mormon Church is the only church in the history of this country that had an extermination order out against it by Governor Lilburn Boggs of Missouri. We went through untold persecutions," Sen. Hatch said.

Posted by Citizen Gregg | March 11, 2008 4:12 PM


Tell it to the Fancher party.

Posted by NapoleonXIV | March 11, 2008 4:17 PM

Bring back the Crusades!! Utah must pay!

Posted by Michigan Matt (soon to be Baltimatt) | March 11, 2008 4:26 PM

@6 the fourth must be holding a camera. I have never seen an odd number of missionaries.

Posted by the bloop | March 11, 2008 4:30 PM

Never forget: they also slaughtered American citizens heading west for the loot.

Even if they try to cover that up.

Posted by Will in Seattle | March 11, 2008 4:33 PM

Help, we're being oppressed!. Would also work in the two previous threads about clinton/whitey.

Posted by Anon | March 11, 2008 4:35 PM

@6 Good point, maybe the fourth was the photographer?

Posted by Mike of Renton | March 11, 2008 4:37 PM

Damn, @10 beat me to it.

Posted by Mike of Renton | March 11, 2008 4:38 PM

This cracks me up. Two of the big bullies of the block picking a fight with one another is simply beautiful.

And Will is right, the Mormon church has throughout its history oppressed or killed people, completely destroying any moral high ground that comes from being a marginalized faith.

Also the catholic church has an unimpeachable record of respecting other religions during its existence. as long as you ignore the crusades, the inquisition, the counter-reformation, and the holocaust

Posted by vooodooo84 | March 11, 2008 4:53 PM

A carefully nurtured persecution complex has become de regeur for all interest groups, Dan, including ones to which you belong.

Posted by David Wright | March 11, 2008 5:17 PM

I'm happy as long as they're mad at each other.

Posted by Jackmormo | March 11, 2008 5:45 PM

So I'm not the only one hoping this starts a holy war and they kill each other off and thus end both faiths?

Posted by Y.F. | March 11, 2008 6:49 PM

It's unfortunate that you pulled only part of the story. The quotation is not about victimology in context. The church was saying that members of a traditionally persecuted group should know better than to do such a thing. I suggest people read the whole account, including the apology from one of the guys and the Mormon Church's vow to act against the three guys' church memberships. They don't take it lightly.

At the risk of being beaten up, I will suggest we keep it in perspective. Three 19-year-old Catholic seminarians throwing rocks and breaking windows at a rural Colorado Baptist Church would not produce such media hysteria.

Posted by Buck Jeppson | March 11, 2008 7:39 PM

in the 1840 ies, the Mormons had assembled in the boarder states, Indiana, Illinois, etc. and were anti slave.

That is when their big time troubles started.

I suspect there are several chapter of their history that they would like to re- write, but, fact, they gaot killed, raped and burned out by the gang of the ear who were pro slavery.

Hence the move to SLC.

Mormon hating is so dreary. Their history is THE history of the mountain west covering five or six states.

Missionary guys are in pairs, so they can mate in comfort and create less jealously.

Joseph Smith had boy friends and many wives. One horny fucker acting against the status quo, no wonder they (the pro slave rabble) killed him.

Posted by Kenneth | March 11, 2008 8:26 PM

Mormons have the super-nice, uptight-but-friendly public stereotype, so it's nice to see they have some outlet for the pent up energy underneath.

Posted by Mr. Joshua | March 11, 2008 8:30 PM

Mormons have always been against drinking - strongly. So I suppose the drunks of the world can piss and moan about that.

Why, I cant say. Some people drink and others don't. But it is a big deal for hard core drunks.

I grew up with a half dozen Mormon dudes, and they would not drink or smoke reg. cigs, but, liked good mary jane. You had to teach them to inhale. Kinda funny, and they were really good looking and very nice.

And they were always inviting you to dinner, great feast sort of cooking. Sweet mommies all concerned and caring, but lots of chores too.

Why all the bullshit here is interesting. I never cared about what their church put out, I am very attracted to Eastern mystical religions.

Posted by Freddy | March 11, 2008 9:04 PM

no caffiene either, its all crystal lite or root beer with the LDS

Posted by vooodooo84 | March 11, 2008 10:43 PM

That's funny, the Mormons I knew in high school on the Eastside never met a beer they didn't like.

Posted by laterite | March 11, 2008 11:21 PM

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