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Thursday, March 13, 2008

“Obama Really Can’t Win the General Election”

posted by on March 13 at 12:52 PM

So said top Clinton strategist Mark Penn in a conference call today with reporters.

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This is newsworthy how?

Posted by Bellevue Ave | March 13, 2008 1:04 PM

Yeah, who cares? This is what is known as, well, primary campaigning.

Posted by tsm | March 13, 2008 1:06 PM

pot meet clinton's campaign is saying that obama is dismissing mean like she dismissed any state that obama won and the proud african american electorate of louisianna?

Posted by Jiberish | March 13, 2008 1:08 PM

What next, another announcement from Clinton on how "experienced" and "prepared" McCain is? (Shaking head)

Posted by Andy Niable | March 13, 2008 1:08 PM

There's primary campaigning, then there's delusion.

Posted by w7ngman | March 13, 2008 1:09 PM

And now someone's saying the guy who wrote this - - should be fired? People really need to relax.

Posted by Levislade | March 13, 2008 1:11 PM

Funny, that is what many of us say about Clinton every day.

How about they focus on what she would do if elected and stop the negative campaigning!

Posted by Suz | March 13, 2008 1:16 PM

Clinton would have an uphill battle winning the General Election. Maybe if she stopped with all the mud-slinging and attack ads ...

Posted by Will in Seattle | March 13, 2008 1:26 PM

Not newsworthy - but funny hearing Wolfson jump in quickly to say that Penny didn't say that - when he so obviously did.

Posted by Ed | March 13, 2008 1:26 PM

Wow, her advisors are leading that sinking ship straight to the bottom, aren't they?

I guess the 'Anything it takes' attitude is finally seeing the curtain close quickly.... thank god!

In a way I feel sorry for her, then I remember how much of a corp. whore she is, and see that two faced side of her.

Decent policies, but tired tired rhetoric. Good night hillary, don't let the door hit you in the ass.

Posted by Homo Will | March 13, 2008 1:35 PM

What is the purpose of this post? It's like you're just trying to bait us into another cat fight. I want the last ten seconds of my life back please.

Posted by fluteprof | March 13, 2008 1:37 PM

Well, that should be up to Democrat delegates to decide, shouldn't it?

And if Hillary thinks she could win against McCain if she lost the popularly elected delegate race and had to rely on superdelegates to push her over the top, she's kidding herself.

Posted by Trevor | March 13, 2008 1:46 PM
13 they wanna make him vice president?

Posted by catnextdoor | March 13, 2008 1:55 PM

A member of Clinton's staff says Obama can't win. The hell you say!

Posted by Giffy | March 13, 2008 1:56 PM

tsm @2, this isn't normal primary campaigning. You don't claim that your fellow party candidate is unqualified to win the general. Clinton has adopted a whole new, ugly strategy. Fuck her, and more importantly, fuck Wolfson and Penn.

Posted by Gabriel | March 13, 2008 2:00 PM

If hacks like Penn stay on Clinton's staff, she won't be able to win it either.

Posted by keshmeshi | March 13, 2008 2:07 PM

@15 wins.

Posted by Will in Seattle | March 13, 2008 2:09 PM

a good evaluative statement would be (a) either Obama or Clinton could win, or (b) either could lose, and (c) what's concerning is that NEITHER ONE is really ahead of McCain at this point in head to head polls.

from realclear politics site it seems HRC is an insignificantly bit ahead of Obama in the national head to head averages and also in PA H and FL:

General Election McCain-Obama McCain-Clinton

National Obama +1.5 Clinton +1.5

Pennsylvania McCain +1.4 McCain +0.6

Ohio Obama +0.2 Clinton +0.5

Florida McCain +9.3 McCain +5.6

Or, take the USA survey electoral map some Obama supporters trumpeted here this day. It is based on polls in all 50 states and it shows Obama beats McCain with 280 electoral college when you only need 270 to win.

Whoopee. Yawn. That sucks, it's way too close for comfort.

Not mentioned by those OBama supporters was that the same source shows Clinton beating McCain with 276 electoral college votes out of 270 needed to win.

That's basically equal to Obama and but again, the main point is that sucks, it's too close for comfort.

While lots of us totally enjoy unloading on HRC or BHO, respectively, the real issue is why aren't either of our preferred candidates doing better, and what can one do to ensure the Democrat wins in the fall.

Because right now we're all in this delusion that's it's going to be easy.

It won't be.

Did you see the McCain ad showing actual footage of WRChurchill in his speech about we will fight them on the beaches, we will fight them in the fields we will fight them in the streets we shall never give in!!and concluding "We're not going to surrender, Americans do not surrender!"

McCain is going to say we are for surrender. That's what we're up against.

Posted by unPC | March 13, 2008 2:11 PM

Ron Paul! Wake up, sheeple!

Posted by Ziggity | March 13, 2008 2:12 PM

I'm just glad that a clear majority of Democratic voters think otherwise.

Penn is a fucking douchebag. It's a shame that our pundits can't use appropriate terms like that in their broadcasts.

Posted by AMB | March 13, 2008 2:15 PM

You are every bit as big an asshole as ecee homo, unPC.

And Clinton? Well, Clinton is making me respect her, and him, less and less each day.

Posted by Fnarf | March 13, 2008 2:27 PM

Who do you mean by 'him', Fnarf? Penn or Obama?

Posted by Gabriel | March 13, 2008 2:33 PM

Dear Strangeroos: that last comment took about a full minute to post after clicking 'post.' I can't believe you guys haven't fixed the comment system after all this time.

Posted by Gabriel | March 13, 2008 2:35 PM

I thought the main argument against Hillary has been that she has high negatives and can't be elected. This is what Penn is saying about Obama - so what.

And fnarf you're just a bully. Go stick a quarter up your nose or...

Posted by McG | March 13, 2008 2:36 PM
tsm @2, this isn't normal primary campaigning. You don't claim that your fellow party candidate is unqualified to win the general.

Sure you do. You don't say that your fellow party candidate is unqualified to do the job. But saying that they aren't the one who will get the support together to win the general election is normal campaigning. I mean, I think Obama's campaign could just as easily say that about Hillary, and they shouldn't be scolded for it either.

Posted by tsm | March 13, 2008 2:39 PM

To elaborate: the fundamental no-no in primary campaigning is "Don't say anything that the other party could use against your opponent later." Saying "Democrat X thinks this guy can't win the election" to win isn't really the basis for a good Republican attack; why would voters choosing between D and R care about that? Saying that "Democrat X thinks this guy is unfit for president", on the other hand, could be.

Posted by tsm | March 13, 2008 2:44 PM

tsm, there's a difference between saying that you think you're the better candidate for the general and saying that your opponent can't possibly win the general. Admittedly this comment is not as bad as the comments about Obama not being fit for commander-in-chief, but it's one in a long line of these awful comments.

Posted by Gabriel | March 13, 2008 2:48 PM

Ya know, they would have a lot more to talk about if there were any substantial political differences between them. Unfortunately, there isn't, so we're left with this shit.

Posted by johnnie | March 13, 2008 2:56 PM

he'll fucking steamroll grampa mccain.

IF you stop kneecapping him.

Posted by max solomon | March 13, 2008 3:04 PM

It's hilarious that Clinton's advisors are trying to make it sounds as if everything depends on Pennsylvania, that if he can't win Penn then it raises serious doubts. Gimme a break. Nobody expects Obama to win Penn, and it doesn't really matter. Obama would do well to lower expectations as much as possible for that state.

Posted by Gabriel | March 13, 2008 3:12 PM

Based on the overwhelming number of anti-Hillary comments I see on this blog and the mounting negative coverage Hillary is getting in the media. I think her ship may be sinking. At least I really, really hope it is

Posted by tco | March 13, 2008 3:21 PM

McG = unPC = ecce homo

Posted by Come out of the closet | March 13, 2008 3:24 PM

@4: No kidding. Clinton is starting to look to me like Joe Lieberman in a pink suit.

I used to lean a little pro-Hillary, but these days, forget it. Seems like every few days, something comes out of the Clinton camp to further erode my respect for her.

Posted by Charity | March 13, 2008 3:24 PM

@31: not really. The majority of the folks on this board support Obama. I've seen quite a few blogs where the opinions are lopsided (in favor of their candidate of choice).

Posted by Tony | March 13, 2008 3:29 PM

Yeah, I know it's getting old, but it makes me feel better when I get to type it out..... Hillary Clinton Sucks Ass!

Posted by Hilliary Clinton Sucks | March 14, 2008 12:05 AM

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