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Tuesday, February 12, 2008

U.S. Senate Green Lights Immunity for Telecoms

posted by on February 12 at 12:44 PM

The FISA bill that would grant retroactive immunity for telecoms like AT&T who spied for the White House just overcame a filibuster and is assured to pass.

Sen. Obama joined our Sens. Cantwell and Murray voting against cloture (meaning they supported the filibuster). Clinton didn’t vote.

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Correction: There was no filibuster. There was some sort of lame-ass gentleman's agreement not to filibuster. Even Dodd went along with this bullshit.

Posted by Bison | February 12, 2008 12:45 PM

@1 - where are you getting that? 29 Senators voted not to end debate, and I'm sure Dodd was one of them. There was no filibuster because they didn't have the 41 votes to sustain one.

Also, this sucks.

Posted by Levislade | February 12, 2008 12:49 PM

Seems like all of HRC's "experience" and "political expertise" would have told her to get her ass in there and vote on one of the most important bills of the year...

Oh wait, she's too busy trying to put out all of the fires that are slowly turning the foundation of her campaign to ashes...

Posted by Queen_of_Sleaze | February 12, 2008 12:52 PM

Has Clinton ever voted on FISA?

Posted by ghostlawns | February 12, 2008 12:52 PM

Dude. Fuck Clinton. Seriously fuck her.

Hello get out of jail free card for one of the most egregious violation of privacy rights in the history of the US of A.


Posted by | February 12, 2008 12:54 PM

This just further supports why I am supporting Obama. Hillary will do anything to make sure she has political cover. And I mean ANYTHING.

And no this is not hatred of Clinton just an observation.

Posted by Andrew | February 12, 2008 12:57 PM

Dodd should have filibustered.

Posted by Will in Seattle | February 12, 2008 12:59 PM

Maybe it wouldn't have mattered in this instance, but I'm pretty peeved about the no-filibuster agreement that was struck regarding FISA:

Posted by Bison | February 12, 2008 1:00 PM

obama & clinton both voted for the patriot act

Posted by Bald Face Lie | February 12, 2008 1:04 PM

votes for the war, votes to declare iranian special forces terrorits, doesn't vote against immunity for telcos (didn't she rag on obama for missed votes?).

it's like she thinks we're too stupid to notice.

voting for obama is an accountability moment, and it's our opportunity to show these politicians that this kind of "leadership" is not acceptable.

Posted by some dude | February 12, 2008 1:06 PM

Dodd said that he is waiting to see if the House can stop this. If telecom immunity exists in the final bill, he promises to filibuster it:

Also, i totally agree with #5. Fuck Hillary. DC and Virginia vote today, she cold have easily been in town to vote and get some campaigning in. She most likely stayed in Texas to keep up the appearance that she doesn't care about today's primaries.

Posted by blue22 | February 12, 2008 1:10 PM

But--but--pointing out that Hillary didn't even bother to show up is *sexist*, people! You know that!

Posted by torrentprime | February 12, 2008 1:15 PM

In defense of Hillary (even though I'm an Obama alternate delegate), she was a cosponsor of the amendment that was defeated, along with Obama and Kennedy and Feingold et al. Our WA Senators deserve some praise for their rare courage in spite of the depressing outcome.

Posted by Peter F | February 12, 2008 1:18 PM

I think Sen Clinton wanted to vote Present, but she wasn't, so it didn't count.

Posted by Will in Topsy-turvy Seattle | February 12, 2008 1:24 PM

maybe this was just a caucus vote and all those "political activist" senators had time to cast a vote, whilst Senator Clinton was hard at work in her real job and couldn't take the time to caucus with the others?

It's blatant discrimination I say

Posted by Reality Check | February 12, 2008 1:27 PM

Wasn't this an ACLU strategy to give cover to Senators that actually voted. Much like choice in Il.

Posted by Ouch | February 12, 2008 1:33 PM

This being probably my number one issue, this damns her in my eyes. Obama's the only candidate with a real awareness of the damage being done to our legal rights in the name of antiterrorism, and he's the only candidate that understands how technology plays a crucial role in our future liberties.

Maybe Obama's "integrity" is just a front, but at this point it'd be a damn convincing front.

Posted by glad i caucused obama | February 12, 2008 1:50 PM

It's sexist to point out that HRC is a lameass corporate shill.

Posted by AMB | February 12, 2008 2:04 PM

But wait, this must be wrong, i mean HRC is all about substance and action and experience, and Obama is only about great speaches, and hope and other fluffy stuff, right? Im SO confused!

Posted by longball | February 12, 2008 2:13 PM

Actually, though ... what were the votes of McCain and other GOP Senators?

Posted by Will in Seattle | February 12, 2008 2:17 PM

McCain was against immunity before he was for it. Nice flip-flop.

Posted by krzysz | February 12, 2008 3:27 PM

Presidents can't vote present but they apparently can be "not present".

Posted by ru shur | February 12, 2008 3:30 PM

I smell a class action lawsuit...

Posted by Greg | February 12, 2008 3:39 PM

She couldn't show up and vote for immunity like she wanted to because she knows she wouldn't have a chance in the upcoming primaries.

Posted by obamatron | February 12, 2008 6:00 PM

@24, the senate fabreezed that shit, yo. smell is gone.

Posted by | February 12, 2008 8:15 PM

there is a lot of misinformation here.

1) obama was NOT present to vote

2) the cloture of the bill results link is below, and is different from the passage link posted by Niable:

3) the bill still has to go through the House, so even though it is likely to pass it isn't final

4) it seems like people writing here don't really understand what a filibuster is, you cant filibuster if there is a supreme majority. (three fifths of the senate) supreme majority invokes cloture, or causes the debate to close automatically.

Posted by avi | February 13, 2008 12:14 AM

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