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Wednesday, January 30, 2008

Tonight’s GOP Debate: One Bonus Answer, One Bonus Question

posted by on January 30 at 19:56 PM

The first question, asked in remembrance of him, was this: “Are we better off than we were four years ago?” The answer to that, of course, is yesbecause four years we were facing another four years of George W. Bush.

And since Mike Huckabee didn’t feel he received his fair share of questions, I’d like to put this one to the governor: “The leader of the Mormon church died a few days ago. Is he already in hell?

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yes and yes

Posted by vooodooo84 | January 30, 2008 8:09 PM

Well, given the gentleman's clearly defined defense of all humans (life) as equally as important and worthy (except possibly for gays, non-christians, etc.) must he really comment on this at this time? or ever?

Posted by gracynyc | January 30, 2008 8:10 PM

Huckabee's Hell was to be seated on the 'Irrelevant Loony' left end of the table with Dr. Paul. The two were so uninvolved, why the hell they were there, it was insulting to these guys. They are both fascist creeps, but they make FAR better television than Captain Underpants and the embalmed Vietnam hero.

Posted by Karlheinz Arschbomber | January 30, 2008 8:18 PM

OT but FYI:

"The David Goldstein Show" has been canceled. No more Goldy show.

Posted by Will/HA | January 30, 2008 8:20 PM

That sucks, he was good on the air, and a fun guy to meet recently.

Posted by Karlheinz Arschbomber | January 30, 2008 8:32 PM

jeez, Dan, don't make me laugh when I'm drinking red wine over a white carpet.

Posted by MyDogBen | January 30, 2008 9:02 PM

@3.. I'm sorry, I don't have the time (computer/leisure) to read everything in the news, but just exactly how is Ron Paul a fascist? He actually seems and sounds a bit more rational than any of the others on either side.

On the other hand, the only major candidates I've voted for and who have won...

Paul Wellstone (twice, would've done three, R.I.P)

Jesse Ventura (once, twice would've been nice)

John Kline (once, my bad, go figure).

From some viewpoints, there ain't much difference between ANY of the front runners. So exactly, what is wrong with Dr. Paul? I'm genuinely curious.

Posted by drewl | January 30, 2008 9:14 PM


Posted by Hal | January 30, 2008 9:25 PM

What voodoo said.

Posted by Mr. Poe | January 30, 2008 9:34 PM


Try using the Google. They say you can find practically anything with it. Maybe there's one or two web sides on Ron Paul, fascism, white supremacists, and your run of the mill racists. Good luck.

Posted by elenchos | January 30, 2008 9:34 PM

Sure, I'm a noob. I use someone else's computer when I get the chance, like tonight. I read my local newspapers daily. I follow slog due to some unreasonable connection to my birthtown.

I still don't understand the rabid Ron Paul hatred. Compared to the rest of the candidates, is he really that nuts? Sure I could find anything on Google(tm), to prove whatever I wanted to on any of them, if I wanted to dig deep enough. Give me yer links! The only things I see here are ad hominem attacks against the man.

Paul seems to me the least hypocritical of this field. How am I wrong? I'm not being a smartass, I'm seriously interested in learning something I may have missed. My caucases are next week. But I've had experience with Mormons, evangelicals, and the partisan 'true believers', and Paul really does seem the sanest among the current field.

And, yes it does kinda scare me.

Posted by drewl | January 30, 2008 10:56 PM

drewl, I'm not gonna sink to calling you a Paulbot, although that is tempting. Typing the difficult three word search "Ron Paul" Racist into google gives you 392,000 results. For instance, CNN.
Is this so hard to follow?

Posted by Karlheinz Arschbomber | January 30, 2008 11:01 PM

Swift boat, anyone?

Posted by drewl | January 30, 2008 11:29 PM

The statements were in his political newsletter, its not like some people are making them up after the fact, the record is clear as is the number of endorsements by white supremacists

Posted by vooodooo84 | January 30, 2008 11:57 PM

You want true racists? I grew up in No. Idaho around Mormons and born again nut jobs, along with the Hayden Lake whackos. Google the recent history of minorities in the Mormon church. Observe the contempt of the evangelicals towards anyone who ain't them (i.e. damn near everyone else).

All of them have certain credibility issues in many areas. If the lesser of many evils, is still evil, and there is no 'None Of The Above' option, then so far, Paul seems the most rational option.

Posted by drewl | January 30, 2008 11:59 PM

Drewl, if you buy into libertarianism, and you believe that social programs should be dismantled (or radically reduced) along with social security, minimum wage, public schools, etc, then yes, Ron Paul is your man, but you should understand what you are voting for.

About the racist (and insane) stuff in his newsletter, I'm not sure how you could compare this to the swift boat stuff. As far as I know, this was actually written out word for word in the newsletter. I don't see it as an accident that Paul is the candidate of racists and 9/11 truthers.

However, I do think Ron Paul is the only candidate crazy enough to BRING THE TROOPS HOME NOW no matter how many Iraqis die or what happens to that country. So if this is the main issue for you above all others, then yes, vote for Ron Paul.

Posted by PJ | January 31, 2008 7:39 AM

Are you serious, drewl? For starters, the Mormons are on the verge of becoming a minority-white church, if they haven't already, thanks to their huge success in proselytizing in Africa and Asia. Second, the white supremacists in Northern Idaho all support Ron Paul, Ron Paul, Ron Paul. Paul is a member in good standing of the kook brigade, the black-helicopters-are reconnoitering-the-border, flouridated-water-is-sapping-our-vital-bodily-fluids, support-the-Confederacy, David-Duke-supporting, jackboot-thugs kooks. Read about it in The New Republic:

There's a very good reason people aren't talking about Ron Paul anymore. You apparently didn't get the memo.

Posted by Fnarf | January 31, 2008 7:50 AM

You all are even crazier than I am. Thanks for that. Anyway, reading the OP, I've got that scene from Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid running through my head. You know, where Billy lets loose on Bob with the shotgun full of dimes. And he says "How's Jesus look to you now, Bob" right before he pulls the trigger.

Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty | January 31, 2008 8:39 AM

fnarf, the white supremacists & black-helicopter libertarians have to support SOMEONE! they's 'Murkins, too!

and, having been in Bozeman last week, i can assure you that they're still talking about ronpaul there - it was the most common bumpersticker i saw, & the topic of a letter to the editor every day.

Posted by max solomon | January 31, 2008 8:52 AM

Ah, yes, Boseman. About the only place left in the world where they'll offer to buy you a drink just for walking down the street with a patch on your jacket that says "NRA Bdnefactor Member."

Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty | January 31, 2008 9:08 AM

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