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Friday, November 30, 2007

Every Child Deserves a Mother and a Father…

posted by on November 30 at 9:50 AM

The stepfather of a 2-year-old girl lost control and beat her to death because she wouldn’t say “please” and “yes sir,” an attorney for the girl’s mother said Wednesday….

Royce Clyde Zeigler wanted his wife to spank Riley with a belt when she failed to say things like “please” and “yes sir” or “no sir.” Zeigler didn’t believe Kimberly Dawn Trenor was doing it, however, because the 2-year-old’s behavior wasn’t changing….

In her statement to Galveston authorities, Trenor said the girl was beaten with leather belts, had her head held underwater in a bathtub and then was thrown across a room, her head slamming into a tile floor.

In other disturbing details: Trenor and Zeigler met online and Trenor is pregnant with Zeigler’s child.

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Why is it disturbing that they met online?

Posted by elenchos | November 30, 2007 10:08 AM

I think it should be illegal for me to ever have kids. Because I just totally laughed at this.

Posted by Ashamed. | November 30, 2007 10:11 AM

Sad. Very, very sad.

Posted by Toby | November 30, 2007 10:15 AM

At least the waterboarding can't be considered abusive.

Posted by avatar | November 30, 2007 10:19 AM

Good point, avatar.

Posted by Mr. Poe | November 30, 2007 10:32 AM

A two year old... A TWO YEAR OLD??????????????????

Beating her with a belt when she doesn't say "please"?

A FREAKING TWO YEAR OLD?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?

I hope they throw the key when they put these two in jail. And I hope that the second that the mother delivers her new baby that it is taken away from her forever.

Posted by Jonathon | November 30, 2007 10:37 AM

@1 - Yeah, what's wrong with that? I met my wife on-line (on the now defunct Stranger Personals, no less).

Posted by Mahtli69 | November 30, 2007 10:40 AM

I hope the Democrats stopping approving money for abstinence sex ed, but they are such chickenshits they just did a month ago.

Posted by left coast | November 30, 2007 10:41 AM

uh, the bold text signifies the significant part. you know, the part about her being pregnant and all. the online part is merely plain text.

Posted by infrequent | November 30, 2007 10:42 AM

No. Everything in the sentence after the phrase "In other disturbing details:" is a disturbing detail. That's what the colon means.

The bold is there to indicate the writer used The Stranger Stylebook for Being Annoying.

I met my wife online too, and I'm offended.

Posted by elenchos | November 30, 2007 10:48 AM

My bet is the couple were both abused when they were children under the cover of "discipline". Thus the need for earlier interventions.

Posted by MSW | November 30, 2007 10:53 AM

Since this is a stepfather thing, it should be under the headline Every Child Deserves A Mother With Good Character Judgement & Common Sense.

Posted by Jason Josephes | November 30, 2007 10:55 AM

Once again this shows that two parents of the same gender are totally unfit to be parents? Okay Dan, time to shift into second gear and present two parent/same gender loving homes that buy the kids a pony for Christmas. We get the point via the negative, now make the point via the positive.

Posted by Sargon Bighorn | November 30, 2007 10:55 AM
The bold is there to indicate the writer used The Stranger Stylebook for Being Annoying.

So I'm not the only one puzzled and occasionally irritated by the Savage/ECB fondness for random application of boldface? Good.

As for the article, I found myself figuring that Royce Clyde Ziegler Sr. was probably as shitty a father as his son turned out to be.

Posted by tsm | November 30, 2007 11:03 AM

come on, stepfathers! let's turn this thing around & stop killing & raping other men's spawn. i don't - you could emulate me!

just because every other ape does the same thing doesn't mean we have to - i mean, we have awesome monotheistic religion to guide us!

Posted by max solomon | November 30, 2007 11:24 AM

Amen! @ #13. I get what you're saying, although I'm not sure you worded it the way you meant to...? This is the point I tried to make earlier this week. Dan. I love you. But come ON! Yes these people are worse than smegma. But it has NO bearing whatsoever on the rights of gay people to be parents! There are straight scum that should never be allowed to procreate. I can guarantee that there gay scum that should never be allowed to adopt, or be artifically inseminated, or whatever as well! There are also wonderful straight parents out there, as well as wonderful gay parents (as I'm sure you are). Give us some heartwarming stories about them. Or something. :-)

Posted by DanFan | November 30, 2007 11:31 AM

Ugh, that's awful.

Posted by Vasya | November 30, 2007 11:47 AM

My 15,314th repeated suggestion: Parental Licenses mandated for anyone remotely capable of reproducing themselves when in the vicinity of other similarly equipped.

Auto/drivers licenses, hunting licenses, bicycle licenses, wedding licenses, poetic licenses mandated. How come no license to predictably and irresponsibly fuck up legions of the innocent early born?

Truly, Rhett Oracle

Posted by RHETT ORACLE | November 30, 2007 11:48 AM

It's a wonder the Bush administration hasn't suggested that this sort of thing is a fine way to treat detainees because it's how we treat our children...

Posted by JenK | November 30, 2007 12:04 PM

@18 - Scary thought. I think I'm a good parent, but I also think Jesus is stupid and pot should be legalized. Do you think our government would give me a license?

Posted by Mahtli69 | November 30, 2007 12:21 PM

Hey, it's only waterboarding, right? Doesn't seem so bad.

Posted by smurf | November 30, 2007 12:32 PM

Let's hope the next one is better behaved....

Posted by NapoleonXIV | November 30, 2007 1:16 PM

Dan this story sorta reminded me of the "SHOULD HAVE SAID THANK YOU" grave site in your neighb around Halloween

Posted by Lake | November 30, 2007 1:24 PM

I'm so proud to call Texas home. In case this story doesn't tip the scales for you in favor of moving here, maybe this one will about how the Texas Ed. Agency just fired the director of science education because she was too scientific, i.e.-- wouldn't get behind creationism.

Posted by robo | November 30, 2007 1:33 PM

Since this seems to mostly happen with stepfathers, shouldn't the Bush administration just make divorce illegal? And marriage out of wedlock?

Posted by Kat | November 30, 2007 1:41 PM

hey 20, jesus wasn't stupid--it's the jesoids who are. i'm sure he would agree, were he here to defend himself and condemn them.

Posted by ellarosa | November 30, 2007 1:51 PM

Ok, while I fully understand the sentiment of "people should be required to get licenses" to be parents, no one ever seems to have a good answer to this question: who gets to decide who is qualified? I'll bet I have a very different idea of what makes people qualified to be parents than say, George W. The reason no one has a good answer is because there isn't one. So can we please just stop suggesting it and move on?

Posted by Dianna | November 30, 2007 4:21 PM

What Dan's trying to say isn't with the "Every Child Deserves..." posts isn't that straight people are terrible parents, guys. He's pointing out how fucking absurd it is that the Christian Right uses that kind of rhetoric to try to keep gays and lesbians from adopting or inseminating when nothing is done to keep unfit straights from having children. Since it's nearly impossible to keep those convicted of rape, abuse, and violent crime from having kids without resorting to creepy 1984-like enforced castration, it's a moot point to talk about what children "deserve" -- the government should have no right or ability to limit gays from having children unless they start limiting everyone.

Posted by singingcynic | December 1, 2007 5:11 AM

Hey I have an idea: everyone should be given a reversable tubal ligation/vasectomy at the age of twelve. When they can afford to pay cash to reverse it, they can reproduce.

Even better, the government could put $5,000. in a saving account every time a child is born. If the child lives to age 18 without committing murder, mom and dad get the dough. If not, the $ could go toward paying health insurance for everyone else!

Posted by Brother Bob | December 1, 2007 5:37 AM

My nephew just turned two. The kid knows between 50 and 100 words, total. Yes, one of them is 'please', and another sounds like 'thank you' [well, sorta - but he can use it appropriately]. 'Sir' is definately NOT on the list!

I view these parents as an obscenity - two-years-olds can barely understand what a word means. They simply don't have the reasoning or experience to use words appropriayely. [My nephew claims anything he doesn't like is 'hot' - it's great to watch him refuse ice by saying 'no, hot!'] That this PRIMATE actually thought that a 2 year old COULD say 'yes, sir' and 'no, sir' amazes me. That he thought that 'spanking' with a belt was appropriate punishment absolutely appauls me [it sounds more like whipping to me]. It's grotesque.

Yeah, Dan, I doubt if any same-sex couple could sink as low as this male-female couple has.

Posted by Schweighsr | December 1, 2007 1:24 PM

We could sure use a man like that in our prisons, here and abroad...

Posted by Kristafarian | December 1, 2007 9:51 PM

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