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Wednesday, November 7, 2007

Backing Torture More Important than Opposing Abortion

posted by on November 7 at 8:04 AM

Prominent talibangelist Pat Robertson endorses pro-abortion, pro-gay-rights, pro-torture Rudy Giuliani.

Make no mistake–this is a coup for Mr. Giuliani’s campaign. Mr. Giuliani spoke at Regent University, the evangelical school Mr. Robertson founded, several months ago and was warmly received. The endorsement helps them quiet talk the talk that had bubbled up among Christian conservative leaders about supporting a third-party candidate if Mr. Giuliani, a supporter of abortion rights is the nominee, and bolstering his advisers’ contention that he can compete among Christian conservative voters who are dominant in early voting states like South Carolina and Iowa.

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A great man of principle like Pat Robertson was bound to recognize one of his own kind.

Posted by elenchos | November 7, 2007 8:10 AM

Pat probably figured out that, with church attendance continuing to fall in the United States, most of those aborted fetuses were going to be non-Christians anyway.

By killing and torturing non-Christian adults, the Reverend gets to fight the Crusade on two fronts.

Posted by Mahtli69 | November 7, 2007 8:26 AM

I'm new to looking through the SLOG (as in only a couple of days) and I'm already disgusted by you people. Permit me a little diatribe here:

For all the uber-liberal claims and pompous "we're the most open-minded people around" speak I hear out of the vast majority of you I have yet once read anything even remotely approaching fair or balanced (yes, I chose those words purposefully for their irony).

I am truly disgusted by the unabashed filth, slander and hate-speak out of your collective mouths. There is no intelligent discussion or legitimate criticism on here at all - it's complete trash. And by trash I mean exactly that; majoratively untrue garbage slung at anything resembling moderate or god forbid, Republican. Partner that with the absolutely blind defense of anyone whose politics you agree with and I see the most stunningly closed-minded people I've ever encountered, and I've lived in many places in this country you people would claim to be backwards.

Has it not ocurred to you all that your hate for others and your unwillingness to accept other viewpoints (or even listen to them without screaming obsenities) is exactly what you claim so vehemently of the other side of the political spectrum? You should all be ashamed of yourselves for perverting the world with all of this bile.

Posted by Tom | November 7, 2007 8:36 AM

Am I to understand that to be a 'good' liberal, I am supposed to be open-minded to Republicanism? And not fucking swear? Just clarifying, yo.

Posted by Tizzle | November 7, 2007 8:38 AM

Hi Tom. I don't know who told you to come to the Slog where you can meet Mary Poppins and her happy band of charm school graduates, but they done lied to you.

Posted by elenchos | November 7, 2007 8:44 AM

I really hope you're not seriously reading a blog like this expecting to find "fair and balanced."

Posted by Wolf | November 7, 2007 8:49 AM

Tizzle - #4
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. You should be open-minded to other opinions and not slander people simply because you don't agree with them. It gives all people on the left a bad image.

Elenchos - #5
Well thank you, I finally know for sure that even slightly differing viewpoints are unwelcome here because it doesn't homogenize with the "group of individuals"

Posted by Tom | November 7, 2007 8:51 AM

Okie dokie. Now that's settled, so somebody say something interesting.

Posted by elenchos | November 7, 2007 8:56 AM

Ooh, playing the victim already. Are you in the Christian Minority, too?

Posted by Chris in Tampa | November 7, 2007 8:59 AM

It makes you wonder what kind of deal Giuliani made with Robertson.

Posted by Mrs. Y | November 7, 2007 9:02 AM

@8 - I certainly hope you're not expecting something from Tom with that request.

Posted by Wowza | November 7, 2007 9:11 AM

Jesus, Tom. You Republicans have fucked this country up enough. Let us at least have SLOG, okay? I tell you what, I'll be all kind and friendly once those oh-so-tolerant Republicans stop blaming big gay ol' me for the downfall of the nation, mmmmkay?

Posted by Michigan Matt | November 7, 2007 9:11 AM

@3 - Go fuck yourself, Tom.

Posted by Mahtli69 | November 7, 2007 9:18 AM

Evangelicals have always believed in torture. At least is sure felt like it as I was growing up. I still bear the psychological scars. Tom sounds like a blast from my past. Nice.

Posted by MN Gay Dude | November 7, 2007 9:31 AM

Dan, torture kicks ass. Stop being such a fucking pussy.

Sensitively, Mr. Poe.

Posted by Mr. Poe | November 7, 2007 9:33 AM

Perfect responses from all of you - thank you for making my point. Go fuck myself? For what?
I feel really sorry for you. Living in such a hate-filled world must be really scary and depressing.

And no, I'm neither Republican nor a Christian. I'm a registered Democrat who's new in town and dissapointed by the Pacific Northwest that I'd heard so much about. Politically active? I'm sure you all are. But an open-minded community? That's a joke.

Posted by Tom | November 7, 2007 9:35 AM

Tom, you are not a Democrat. Thought you should know.

Posted by Mr. Poe | November 7, 2007 9:39 AM

You're welcome here, Tom.

Though, just a hint: You're probably not going to win friends or get people to read your manifesto with the hypocritical admonishments and finger-wagging as in # 3. It’s not like we don’t get that from your moron god, Jesus W. Bush, five times a week and twice on Sundays. You'll get more interest in your ideas or opinions with sugar instead of salt, yeah?

Besides, we need someone to give us some insight into the sick, twisted cesspool known as the conservative mind.

Are you a proud, gay Republican with the hots for Ayn Rand? Is there any chance that we’ve got to be kidding you? Are we to behold you when you present yourself (or ecce homo as they say in the original Latin)? That would just be delicious.

Posted by Original Andrew | November 7, 2007 9:42 AM

Yes, living in a hate-filled world is both extremely scary and extremely depressing. Luckily, we won't have to live in one much longer, because we'll all be dead of Global Warming in 50 years, because some people think that being mean is bad. I mean, everybody has a right to their opinions, am I right?

Also, in this scenario, the Republican Opinion is that I shouldn't have my opinion, so I should respect that.

Posted by Chris in Tampa | November 7, 2007 9:43 AM

Mr Poe:
I'm not a democrat because I don't believe in disrespecting others and blindly ridiculing them? Wow, good to know. I guess I'll have to go back and read my manual again...

I've made several other posts on this forum recently with completely unabbrasive comments and have had the same hate-filled responses if I don't 100% agree with the points of others. Good idea though. And no, sorry to dissapoint you, I'm not gay nor (once again) republican. Very clever though. You can copy and paste Latin - must mean yer smarrrrt.

Please point out where I said you shouldn't have an opinion. Seriously, I'm challenging you - find it and post it here.

Posted by Tom | November 7, 2007 9:57 AM

Reading Comprehension, get it today!

Posted by Chris in Tampa | November 7, 2007 10:01 AM

Deal. As soon as you take elementary grammar I'll try to read your posts more clearly.

Posted by Tom | November 7, 2007 10:02 AM

Haha, I can't really fault you for not getting the ecce homo joke, but you really don't understand anything.

Posted by Chris in Tampa | November 7, 2007 10:04 AM

@20 -

I've made several other posts on this forum recently with completely unabbrasive comments and have had the same hate-filled responses if I don't 100% agree with the points of others.

Cut the lecturing, present some evidence, and maybe everyone will cut you some slack. If you want polite, go hang out at Yahoo Answers.

Posted by Mahtli69 | November 7, 2007 10:05 AM

I called you clever Chris. Did you need more stroking than that (so to speak). You must be used to more praise on here than I gave you, sorry. You are very witty with your Christian alliteration and the pun between the classical, roman "homo" and the modern, slang "homo."

Feel better now?

I said excuse my diatribe didn't I? lol.

Posted by Tom | November 7, 2007 10:10 AM

Tom @ 20,

Yeah, that last bit was my loving homage to the right-wing commenters of the past who've fallen on their swords in these threads. Ah, good times.

Do try not to take Slog or yourself too seriously and, before commenting, ask yourself the eternal question: To snark or not to snark?

Posted by Original Andrew | November 7, 2007 10:11 AM

Witness @16, 20, 22, 25 - re my call @11 : told ya.

Posted by Wowza | November 7, 2007 10:15 AM

True dat. Boring.

Posted by elenchos | November 7, 2007 10:22 AM

I'll explain, because I'm bored. In no particular order:

ecce homo is/was a frequent commenter on the Slog. I don't care to give a detailed character assessment, just know that Andrew was making an amusing reference to an amusing(or awfully annoying) fellow.

Nobody here really knows me, so nobody praises me.

I never said you were challenging my opinion, unless you've changed your mind on whether or not you're a Republican. The idea was, there are people actively fighting to get rid of gays, and disagreeing politely with them won't get you anywhere. All of those people think that my opinion is neither worthwhile, nor rationally tenable. Fuck them.

Comma Splices are not elementary grammar, and everything I write is perfectly readable, if often informal. I comma splice when I talk, and we're having a conversation, even if you're ears are covered and you're singing loudly.

I asked if you were in the Christian minority, because you immediately acted as if everyone was jumping on top of you because you had a slightly different opinion. In fact, it was because you're fundamentally wrong about how to treat awful people like Pat Robertson. Now, you can do what you like, but it's silly to think that we're giving liberals a bad name, when it's people like Pat Robertson that are giving us a bad name. It's not blind ridicule or warrantless disrespect.

Now then, I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. Stop fucking crying about it.

Posted by Chris in Tampa | November 7, 2007 10:24 AM

Open-mindedness is reserved for those whose past actions have warranted that respect. Pat Robertson has proven time and time again to be a hateful, vicious little man whose love of power far surpasses that of his love for Jesus and Christianity. At some point, an intelligent person needs to realize the futility in listening to certain people or ideas.

There are times when trying to be "fair and balanced" (and not in the Fox News way) hinders progress of any kind, which is often exactly the outcome those yelling it wish to occur.

Posted by diggum | November 7, 2007 10:53 AM

This Tom guy is really smart!!

Posted by Mr. Poe | November 7, 2007 10:57 AM

Robertson is an ungodly, hypocritical, crooked piece of trash. This isn't a matter of agreeing to disagree. He deserves any and all criticism he can get.

Posted by keshmeshi | November 7, 2007 11:07 AM

If waterboarding an unborn fetus is wrong, I don't want to be right!

Posted by NapoleonXIV | November 7, 2007 11:17 AM

So let me get my priorities straight:
1. Torturning the islamofacists.
2. Overturning Roe v. Wade
3. Keeping gays and lesbians second class citizens.

Ok, got it, just wanted to make sure.

Posted by Dianna | November 7, 2007 11:54 AM

Dianna @ 34,

Let's keep this going : )

4. Keep donations rolling into the ministry and/or Arabian horse farm.

5. Continue to tell eager and gullible 20 and 30 somethings that their neighbors are gonna fry in hay-yell while gobbling up real estate in Seattle and making it clear that this is not the least bit like an elaborate Pyramid scheme (which--in fact--it totally is).

6. More text messages to underage boys promising them jobs, sex and cash while tooling around in Mercedes convertible.

7. Finish today's shopping list: wetsuits, condoms, rope, diapers, Bibles, $20 bills, a king-size black dildo and Freedom®. NEVER FORGET!

Posted by Original Andrew | November 7, 2007 12:17 PM


Ungodly is a bad thing? If only he were ungodly. On the contrary, his fetid godliness enables the other items on your list of his best qualities. Don't insult the truly ungodly.

Posted by pox | November 7, 2007 2:50 PM

How To (not) Win Friends and Influence People:

Immediately insult, chastise, and instruct them before you've even been properly introduced.

There ARE divergent opinions tolerated here, but not when they're presented in a scolding, now-listen-to-your-betters-children fashion. And, yeah, some of us swear. This ain't fuckin' Sunday school.

Posted by Geni | November 7, 2007 4:50 PM

How can you see the names Giuliani and Pat Robertson in the same sentence and not fucking swear?

Frankly, I hate the shit out of both of them, and would gladly tell them so right to their hateful fucking faces.

Hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, and hate. And you know why? Because both of these assholes - along with the Chimperor - have truly earned it (both in word and in deed).

Tom, if you want David Broder-esque centrist fluff (ie - establishmentarian appeasement in the face of evil) in a Seattle blog, I'd suggest David Brewster's posts at Crosscut.

Posted by Mr. X | November 7, 2007 5:49 PM

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