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Monday, October 15, 2007

Maybe It’s Not an Either/Or Question, KOMO.

posted by on October 15 at 9:30 AM

Can’t it be a public park and a place for anonymous sex?

Public park? Or place for anonymous sex?

West Seattle grandmother says she is furious after she and her 3-year-old grandson stumbled onto men having sex in a public park.

KOMO 4 News went to investigate Westcrest Park around noon last week. We watched men arrive alone, go to the park’s main trail and then almost immediately duck into the woods. Sometimes they didn’t come out alone. We couldn’t be sure what they were doing, but the woman who e-mailed insists she knows.

“This is unacceptable,” said the woman, who we agreed to keep anonymous due to her fear of retaliation.

Yes, be afraid. If you speak out against public sex the park sex ninjas will come in the night and spooge all over your lawn. Or something.

I’m no great fan of park sex. I don’t have a lot of sympathy for guys that do it or get caught. I agree with, er, Jack at Seattlest, who suggests that public sexers get it on in their own backyards. But KOMO’s story is a bit hysterical. Guys have sex in parks. They shouldn’t. They know it. A few complaints bring in the police—and the heavy breathing TV news reporters—and the park fuckers move on to a new location. Can we cover this routine story without pretending to be shocked—shocked!—by the news that some men have sex in public parks?

Oh, and kudos to Seattlest for their headline, which acknowledges that most of the men getting it on in Westcrest Park are straight-identified.

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Isn't this about the time that the "To Catch a Predator" guy shows up?

Posted by Big Sven | October 15, 2007 10:08 AM

Whatever. Like she's seen any action in the last three decades. She should have walked up and paid them.

Posted by Mr. Poe | October 15, 2007 10:13 AM

As a straight someone who used to sneak away in parks with girlfriends during high school to steal a shag, I'm confident in saying that way more straight people have sex in parks than semi-closeted gays cruising bathrooms.

Would the West-Seattle grandmother have been as shocked to find a straight couple having sex in a park? Doubtful. Would it have made the news? No way, José. The story seems more a testament to her homophobia (or KOMOs) and shock than she might have to explain what "gay" means to her grandchild, rather than about the grand "problem" of gay people — or straight people — fucking in parks.

Posted by clarkj | October 15, 2007 10:18 AM

Geez louise. I work in a park and this stuff NEVER happens here--well, at least during the daytime when I'm at work. I'm not saying I *want* it to happen, but from all the news accounts you'd figure I'd have at least run into somebody doing something!

But at least we have shirtless joggers and sunbathers. . .

Posted by Michigan Matt | October 15, 2007 10:20 AM

I wonder if people are ever going to stop writing that "shocked -- shocked!" thing that's so annoyingly ubiquitous these days? Maybe when they also stop writing "I threw up in my mouth a little bit"?

Posted by twee | October 15, 2007 10:31 AM

I'd like to throw up in your mouth, twee.

Posted by West Seattle grandmother | October 15, 2007 10:33 AM

twee, that'll happen when people stop including gratuitous ECB and Mudede slams in their posts.

Posted by Big Sven | October 15, 2007 10:38 AM

This is almost as shocking as people using cell phones at the airport...

Posted by GoodGrief | October 15, 2007 10:38 AM

What they did in Johnson City, TN was horrible with the photo line up in the newspaper identifying the park sex dudes by name and address. However, enough is enough and maye something much less severe would have the desired effect. Get a room or do it in a van! That granny should get herself a good digital camera with great zoom capabilites, start taking pics of the guys going in for sex, putting up their faces on a website, and maybe label it "Perverts of Westcrest Park" of something. Just that alone might clean it up.

Posted by Sweetie | October 15, 2007 10:39 AM

Are there no Adult video stores with "preview" booths it Seattle? That's where all the closeted gays go for hook ups around here.

Posted by Mike in MO | October 15, 2007 10:41 AM
The woman says the park is more like a motel for gay men. There have been three times now while walking the trails with her dog she's caught men in the act...The third time, her 3-year-old grandson saw it too.
Come on, I think this lady has issues. It looks like the men have a Reasonable Expectation of Privacy. Isn't that protected by the 4th Amendment?
Posted by Touring | October 15, 2007 10:41 AM

The mayor of Fort Lauderdale is taking some political hits because of his stance against public sex--thinking, probably, that this would be like saying you support puppies and sick children with cancer. He was wrong.

Some people can't separate their private fetishes from public discourse. Take gun control, for example. And please.

Posted by Boomer in NYC | October 15, 2007 10:46 AM

I have to agree with clarkj @3 - parks are wonderful places ...

Posted by Will in Seattle | October 15, 2007 10:48 AM

Reasonable expectation of privacy, at noon in a public park? What kind of park, again? PUBLIC PARK. Go fuck somewhere else.

Posted by Fnarf | October 15, 2007 10:51 AM

Dan's being reasonable here, but too many others are trying way too hard to defend the indefensible.

And the notion that more heterosexual sex is going on in public parks and restrooms than same-sex action (regardless of how people "identify" themselves) is laughable. Nobody really believes that.

Posted by tomcat98109 | October 15, 2007 10:56 AM

Only sick straight Christians would want to have outdoor sex in a park. This is yet another example of the perversion of Christianity.

Jews simple would never think of having sex outdoors in a park. Judaism is the world's most open religion to gay men. Even Orthodox Jewish men can be gay and are loved and accepted.

Posted by Issur | October 15, 2007 10:58 AM

If she saw men fucking twice before, in the same park, why was she taking her grandson for a walk there?

Posted by Christopher | October 15, 2007 10:58 AM

Fnarf, meet me at Volunteer Park in one hour. Bring a plunger.

Posted by Mr. Poe | October 15, 2007 11:02 AM

If only there were some sort of gay-specific bars in the Seattle area where gay men could meet each other. Ah, well.

Posted by Matt Fuckin' Hickey | October 15, 2007 11:12 AM

Look, it's not an issue of being shocked or not. It's just unpleasant if you're out on a walk by yourself, with your dog, with your child, with your mother, etc., and encountering public sex. It's also unpleasant to encounter someone strung out on whatever drug when you're walking down the street. It's unpleasant to to smell urine when walking past certain alleys. And it's unpleasant to step in dog shit on the sidewalk. None of these things shock me. They are just unpleasant things, and so let's get the park mungers indoors or in fenced-in munger parks (cf. dog parks), let's get the drug addicts some treatment, let's make public toilets available to the toiletless, and let's beat senseless people who fail to clean up their dogs' shit.

Posted by S. M. | October 15, 2007 11:22 AM

i think touring @11 is being facetious, fnar @ 11. right, touring?

Posted by ellarosa | October 15, 2007 11:38 AM

i meant "fnarf @14"

Posted by ellarosa | October 15, 2007 11:39 AM

i doubt a 3 year is scarred from seeing public sex unless grandma reminds him over & over that what he saw was bad.

i can't remember a goddamn thing from when i was 3.

4? that's different.

Posted by maxsolomon | October 15, 2007 12:02 PM

I think my first real memory is from when I was 3.

Posted by Will in Seattle | October 15, 2007 12:47 PM

My main point was that the woman kept coming back again and again - the last time with her grandson. This is like a 6,200 acre park so it was almost like she went in seeking a controversy. These are not necessarily exhibitionists. They want to be visible enough to “hook up” but most would much rather do their thing completely hidden from view but out in public. Personally I see nothing exciting about having sex in public but some find it very exhilarating and they become so addicted to it they often miss work, school, and life at home with their family and kids. There are sex addiction programs to actually help these people.

Posted by Touring | October 15, 2007 1:43 PM

Or ... maybe she's older and she likes to go by places with flowers and nearby bathrooms ...

You don't know.

Posted by Will in Seattle | October 15, 2007 2:27 PM

I don't think Grandma needs to present any reasons for why she wants to visit a public park.

Poe, I'm not really a plunger man; I prefer my 50-foot rotary snake with clog-busting screw action.

Posted by Fnarf | October 15, 2007 5:17 PM

Gay forest sex? I am totally schlocked!!!!11!one!! meh

Really, there's nothing like a fine Turkish carpet or a bed, even.

Posted by justwally | October 16, 2007 5:15 AM

There's some middle ground here, unfortunately it's covered with used condoms and shitty toilet paper from the idiots who use the park for sex but don't clean up after themselves!!! I'm a gay man and have no problem with park sex in a huge park like Westcrest, with many secluded areas to hide and screw around in. I DO have a problem with the disgusting mess and filthy litter left behind, though, and can only imagine what a straight person coming upon said mess must think...something along the lines of "Dirty faggots..."

But, Granny, it's an excellent observation made by others that it flies in the face of common sense that you would walk through that same area of the park again, especially with the kid along. C'mon, Myrtle, you'd had this horrific experience TWICE before, so you went back and risked seeing it a THIRD time??? Methinks you are looking for trouble. Westcrest IS a huge park and the activities that so offend you are pretty well confined to the section you seem obsessed with traversing.

My advice to the boys in the trees is clean up your mess, you're fouling your own nest and creating problems for yourself.

My advice to Granny is avoid the cruisy part of the park, explore the many other acres of lush flora and fauna and stop creating problems for yourself. Oh, and if the kid ever asks about what he saw (unlikely at best) just tell him it's as much a part of Nature as the flora and fauna we all love.

Posted by Orwellianprophet | October 22, 2007 9:11 PM

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