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Friday, October 5, 2007

Bush Clinton Bush Clinton…

posted by on October 5 at 11:44 AM

Andrew Sullivan isn’t the only one worried about what another Clinton presidency is going to mean for the United States, but he sums it up best

The idea of America being run by two families for two decades is anathema to [conservatives like Peggy Noonan], as it is to many liberals. There is something inherently corrupting about it—not just corrupting of them, but corrupting of us. The experience of such power—presiding over the most powerful nation in modern history—cannot but corrupt; and our decision to delegate real decisions to various royal families while boning up on the latest news from Britney Spears is a sign of real decadence.

Eh, I’m not so worried about Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton. As I told Eli last week as he was getting ready to go hear a certain former governor of Florida speak in Bellevue, I’ve moved on. Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton doesn’t concern me so much anymore. It’s the prospect of Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton/Bush that’s freaking me out.

Let’s say Hillary Clinton wins in ‘08. What do you think the odds are that Jeb Bush, the Bush son that was supposed to be president, will challenge her in ‘12? High, I’d say. The famously vindictive and petty Bush clan won’t be able to resist a Bush v. Clinton rematch. Bill Clinton beat George H.W. Bush in 1992, denying the “victor” of the Gulf War a second term. And, boy, was the Bush family bitter about that. Bill and George H.W. seem to have buried the hatchet, there’s bound to be some lingering desire on the part of the Bush siblings to avenge their father’s defeat. And what better way to do that than for Jeb Bush to jump in the race and deny Hillary Clinton a second term?

If Jeb wins in 2012, he’ll be up for reelection in 2016—the year after Chelsea Clinton turns 35, the constitutionally required minimum age for a person to serve as president.

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Chelsea Clinton? Fuck that ho!

Posted by represent | October 5, 2007 11:51 AM
If Jeb wins in 2012, he’ll be up for reelection in 2016—the year after Chelsea Clinton turns 35

Okay, now you're freaking me out.

Posted by Judah | October 5, 2007 11:54 AM

If you have somebody who you think is better than Hillary, then say who it is and say why. It isn't that hard to find reasons why she's not the ideal candidate.

But if the best you can come up with is that there is "something" about another Clinton presidency you don't like, but you can't really say exactly what that something is, then pipe down. It's just FUD if all you can say is it kind of sort of looks bad.

Sullivan is a tool. Always has been.

Posted by elenchos | October 5, 2007 11:56 AM

@3 - I think his quote explains what that "something" is pretty well. I sort of sympathize, but it's not really a big deal: I already don't like Hillary on her own merits.

Posted by Levislade | October 5, 2007 12:03 PM

Were these people freaked out about electing another Bush in 2000? If not, they are cordially invited to an extra-heavy dose of Shut the Fuck Up.

Posted by BB | October 5, 2007 12:06 PM

Come on guys, there isn't going to be a 2008 presidential election because a "terrorist" attack in July/August/September 08 will lead Pres. Bush to declare marshall law.

Posted by monkey | October 5, 2007 12:12 PM

Personally, I think we should just start over. Viva La Revolution. I can't think of a single politician in Washington other than Russ Feingold who has any kind of integrity, and even he's too big of a wuss with his censure resolutions. Our government is totally boned and everyone's too busy watching American Idol to give a fuck.

Posted by JessB | October 5, 2007 12:16 PM

@7, problem is, if we 'started over' then we (or more likely the politicians of the old government) would create something equally dysfunctional or worse. Public interest and idealism are at low points, so where would the impetus for creating a good new system come from?

Posted by Jude Fawley | October 5, 2007 12:24 PM

What I was going to say "on topic" was that eventually the Clintons and Bushes will decide it is much simpler to join families and avoid the whole boring "campaign" process. Does Jeb have a son around Chelsea's age?

Posted by Jude Fawley | October 5, 2007 12:25 PM

If we had to have another Bush, I wish it had been Jeb in 2000 instead of George. He's the only halfway human one in that clan.

Posted by Peter | October 5, 2007 12:25 PM

Sullivan says that having been the first lady before becoming president has "something corrupt" about it. Why? Because it "cannot but corrupt."

I'm guessing if I keep asking why, we will keep going in circles.

I suppose you could find evidence that members of political dynasties have a worse record of corruption than politicians that aren't of a dynasty. I'm guessing the evidence points the other way, and if it didn't, you'd be reading about it instead of this "something something something" innuendo.

One of the reasons people like him thought invading Iraq was a good idea was their willingness to feel certain about things without seeing good evidence.

Posted by elenchos | October 5, 2007 12:40 PM

Agree with BB @5: no one complained about "dynasties" in 2000. I could give a shit about dynasties. Besides Dan's Jeb concerns, which I share, I worry about a Clinton presidency because I think she'll do exactly what her husband did: stay firmly in the grip of big business, including the insurance companies. That'll pave the way for the Republicans to win in 2012.

Posted by Dianna | October 5, 2007 12:45 PM

@6 - Ahh yes, "marshall" law! Remind me again, what is marshall law? Is it the law of the Marshall Islands, or the law proclaiming "We Are Marshall" to be the official state movie of Virginia?

Posted by John | October 5, 2007 12:47 PM

Jeb doesn't have a fucking prayer. He's got about as much chance of becoming President in '12 or '16 as Pat Nixon did in 1976. The depth of Bush-revulsion is still unplumbed.

Posted by Fnarf | October 5, 2007 12:51 PM

Huh, I always thought shrub's "victory" in 2000 WAS the payback for poppy's defeat in 1992.

And I don't think the American Voting Public is all that concerned re: political dynasties. After all, we elected both John and John Quincy Adams in the early days without too much consternation, and probably would have elected Bobby Kennedy in 1968 had he lived. In addition, there are numerous examples of family members "inheriting" House and Senate seats, even a governorship or two, if memory serves.

Posted by COMTE | October 5, 2007 12:54 PM

What Fnarf said. And make it look like the picture.

Posted by Mr. Poe | October 5, 2007 12:54 PM

GWB hasn't just destroyed the Bush dynasty, he's destroyed the GOP as well--I suppose we oughta be thankful for it, but still...

And ditto to elenchos @11--Andrew Sullivan is welcome to do his little monkey dance and entertain me, but I don't have much respect for his "astute" observations anymore. And that last book of his sucked, sucked, sucked.

Posted by Boomer in NYC | October 5, 2007 1:10 PM

Yes, the 15-year dynasty of FDR sure was a disaster for the US, wasn't it? Dragging us out of the Depression, winning WWII...

Posted by andy niable | October 5, 2007 1:13 PM

If Hillary is the Democratic candidate then I am voting for a third party.

Posted by Fuck America | October 5, 2007 1:48 PM

The Chelsea Clinton thing is pretty far-fetched. Chelsea is off quietly working for a hedge fund, has never shown any interest in politics, is rarely seen at campaign events and has gone out of her way to protect her privacy.

Jenna Bush on the other hand is being groomed as the Bush successor and are getting her ready for a political career. She is doing an obligatory stint as a teacher for underprivileged kids in Latin America, she wrote a book about a Hispanic woman with HIV, she is making the media rounds on Diane Sawyer and Larry King Live and they are marrying her off to the son of a prominent high powered Virginia GOP family. They are completely remaking her image overnight from goofy party girl to poised politician in waiting.

Posted by Political Phenom | October 5, 2007 1:50 PM

This country has always had an aristocracy of wealth, and its members have often gone into politics. Some of them have been disasters (the Bush family) and others not so much (Teddy Roosevelt, probably the second best Republican president ever, and FDR, the best Democrat ever--and FDR was even married to another Roosevelt (Eleanor was TR's niece and her maiden name was Roosevelt.) The Kennedys are somewhere in between.

The Clintons, at least, are a recent addition to this aristocracy, with both having relatively humble origins.

Posted by Cascadian | October 5, 2007 2:03 PM
Jeb Bush, the Bush son that was supposed to be president

I for one have never heard that before. In fact, he's always been the Bush brother regarded as least-likely to run for the presidency.

For one, he married a minority. Mixing races!

Posted by HOR@TIOSANZSERIF | October 5, 2007 2:39 PM

@9, if i recall correctly, the jeb bushes have a dreamy latino son that must be around chelsea's age.

but anyway, hillary doesn't come from the clinton bloodline, dude. she's a rodham.

Posted by kim | October 5, 2007 3:44 PM

Peggy Noonan is only "concerened" because it might be a Clinton in the White House. If it were a Bush who might be winning (or, better yet, a Reagan) she would be wetting herself with glee.

And Monkey - while I won't comment on the possibility of another terrorist attack, or its source, one thing I'm certain you don't have to worry about is W lingering. He wants to get out there and start collecting the big bucks on the speaking circuit. He'll be able to drink all he wants, and no one will care. He and Laura can live entirely separate lives, and no one will notice. He's itching to get out of there.

Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay | October 5, 2007 4:18 PM

Please. I'd much rather have Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton than Bush/Clinton/Bush/Giuliani. Would Sullivan?

Posted by bobbo | October 5, 2007 4:37 PM

I'm looking for the Gore - Obama - Clinton - Gore(daughter) - Clinton(daughter) - Obama (wife) dynasty personally.

Posted by Will in Fremont | October 7, 2007 4:37 AM

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