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Monday, August 6, 2007

Don’t Be Such a Fucking Pansy, David

posted by on August 6 at 19:00 PM

David Postman—who Slog likes, Slog loves, Slog would so totally have his babies—linked to a Slog post late this afternoon. And for that we thank him. But before he links David gathers up his skirts and fusses about dirty, dirty words…

Bob Young has a good story in today’s paper about Seattle Port Commissioner Bob Edwards’ re-election campaign…. Edwards is also opposed by Port Commission Chairman John Creighton. Creighton recently wrote Edwards a pretty nasty e-mail. Please excuse the (totally unnecessarily) profane headline on this Slog post. The e-mail, though, gives a good sense of the state of the commission.

Oh, David. Newspapers are for adults. Blogs are for adults. And adults use words like “fuck” all the time. Certainly newspaper writers and editors do—at weeklies and dailies. Even the President and Vice President use profanity, as the Second Circuit Court of Appeals recently noted. So why are daily newspapers written and edited as if their readers are a bunch of prissy ol’ clenchbutts?

“Please excuse the (totally unnecessary) profane headline”? What the fuck is with that? You should be writing headlines like that, my fine fucking friend.

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Posted by Mr. Poe | August 6, 2007 7:12 PM

Well said, Mr. Poe.

Posted by Dan Savage | August 6, 2007 7:16 PM

You really don't understand why daily papers aren't full of curse words? You really don't get how they are different from alt-weeklies? Or are you just pretending to be stupid?

Posted by are you retarded? | August 6, 2007 7:21 PM

It´s hard to believe you do not understand the difference Dan. It´s not hard to believe that you stopped maturing past junior high! Give me a break.

Posted by mj | August 6, 2007 7:48 PM

Because the readers /are/ a bunch of prissy ol' clenchbutts, one assumes. One also assumes things will be very different once all the old people are dead.

Posted by Kiru Banzai | August 6, 2007 7:57 PM

You should have prefaced: "Warning: post contains fuck words."

Posted by Nick Carter | August 6, 2007 7:58 PM

One time when I was in jail, I got (back my?)religion (cliche, I know, spare me the guilt.) So I'd go visit with the Catholic chaplain every now and then. One time I was puzzling over the whole concept of profanity. I went to the chaplain and explained I was starting to trip on how vulgar my language had become in jail. He said to me in his tough as nails Hells Kitchen accent, "Don't struggle with profanity. You're in jail and it fucking sucks here."

On a side note, that entire 2 year long dialog I had with that dude made me wonder if there any Catholics who are religious. (note to offended Catholics: I kid).

Posted by Jaily McConvict | August 6, 2007 8:02 PM

Second CIRCUIT Court of Appeals...

Posted by fuck | August 6, 2007 8:53 PM

If you can't say it, you can't do it.

Posted by monkey | August 6, 2007 9:02 PM

I think I've got the vapors. Fuck profanity. It's vulgar!

Posted by Michigan Matt | August 6, 2007 9:17 PM

Fuck! Look what good ole Dan wrote back in 2002.

Excerpt from \"Say Yes To War\" by Dan Savage October 2002

\"In the meantime, invading and rebuilding Iraq will not only free the Iraqi people, it will also make the Saudis aware of the consequences they face if they continue to oppress their own people while exporting terrorism and terrorists. The War on Iraq will make it clear to our friends and enemies in the Middle East (and elsewhere) that we mean business: Free your people, reform your societies, liberalize, and democratize... or we\'re going to come over there, remove you from power, free your people, and reform your societies for ourselves\"

Posted by ... | August 6, 2007 9:39 PM

And I FUCKING love the Blue Angels. And I am in FUCKING love with me! FUCK you Postman with your "necessary" prudishne...oops, my mom's on the phone explaining what kind of sunlight is best for geraniums, hold that thought...

Posted by cyber-rut | August 6, 2007 9:45 PM

Fucking trolls.

Posted by EXTC | August 6, 2007 9:47 PM

Trolls, whatever - if I'd said anything as incredibly stupid and arrogant as what Savage did (and I made it my full time job to be a nasty prick to anybody and everybody I disagree with), I'd expect to have my words thrown back at me for the rest of my life.

And people who want (let alone expect) to be treated as serious journalists don't use "fuck" except in a direct quote.

Posted by Grow the fuck up, already | August 6, 2007 10:09 PM

This is so typically Dan - fighting the culture wars while the important stuff is forgotten. Here, Dan's ignoring the demise of 162 units of affordable housing (the genesis of the e-mail tirade by John Creighton of the Port of Seattle) while he's spending his time worrying about someone's silly criticism of silly language.

Dan, it's time to get a clue - there are more battles to fight than the culture wars. One worth fighting is the battle to save the Lora Lake apartments. When will you get your head out fof your butt and turn The Stranger's truth squad on the Port of Seattle and its heartless commission?

It'd be nice to read something in The Stranger/Slog again that actually made a real difference in someone's life. Use or misuse of the word "fuck" doesn't. Dan, get a clue.

Posted by getacluedan | August 6, 2007 10:29 PM

Retard @3:

You really don't understand why daily papers aren't full of curse words? You really don't get how they are different from alt-weeklies? Or are you just pretending to be stupid?

Are you really beating up a straw man? Or are you just pretending to be stupid. Dan was responding specifically to Postman's little dig at The Stranger:

“Please excuse the (totally unnecessary) profane headline”

Who is Postman to decide whether or not cursing is "necessary"? And what if it is unnecessary - so fucking what? I and thousands like me appreciate the fact that The Stranger says "fuck". If Postman wants to warn his readers about profanity, more power to him. As for labeling it "totally unnecessary"? Lick my ass.

Posted by Sean | August 6, 2007 10:32 PM
17 what I was saying, FUCK you Postman, I don't care about your pansieness. My mom even said for me not to care. If it wasn't for her I'd have ASS else to do

Posted by cyber-rut | August 6, 2007 10:34 PM

Here, here to #16

Posted by sniggles | August 6, 2007 10:37 PM

I didn't see your post Sean, cuz I was typing. I TOTALLLY agree with you, though can I lick your ASS? ;)

Posted by cyber-rut | August 6, 2007 10:40 PM

Thanks, Dan. I try. Sometimes. Word.

Posted by Mr. Poe | August 6, 2007 11:54 PM

Methinks Postman is simply Jean Godden, reincarnate. Milk and cookies anyone?

Posted by Dave Coffman | August 7, 2007 12:35 AM

Stop with this "get a clue" thing! Do you say that in real life? Jesus fucking christ!

Posted by marie | August 7, 2007 8:11 AM

The thing is, good writers/orators don't need to rely on profane expletives to get their message across. It's the easy, lazy way.

A smart, proficient person can still say or write something impactful and emphatic without resorting to words that by their very nature get an immediate recoil.

It's just lazy.

Perfect for playgrounds or Seattle.

Posted by William Fucking Shakespeare | August 7, 2007 8:52 AM

No, Dan, I should be writing headlines like that when it makes some sense. But writing fuck -- ooh, you're right that feels so good -- doesn't always make sense does it? I don't think that e-mail qualified as "fucking" angry or whatever. I link to the Slog a ton of course and never worry about our different standards for language. This one just seemed, well, unnecessary. And as to Sean, it's not up to me to decide when profanity is necessary for the Slog of course, but it is for when I decide to link to it on my blog.

Posted by Postman | August 7, 2007 9:04 AM

@ 15, give it a rest already, will you?

Anyone who calls establishment ass-kissing, rubber stamping, "Go Along Get Along" Bob Edwards out on his sudden born again political progressiveness conveniently taking place right before the major dailies are due with their port commission endorsements deserves props. Good job Josh!

And King County could care less about housing low income families in this county. If they did, they would be collaborating with Burien city hall and other local governments on real solutions.

Instead, the the county government bureaucrats are bullying Burien, threatening to withhold funding, and when that doesn't work, they file baseless lawsuits.

It's great political theater, it draws a lot of attention to the Housing Authority, but it does little to actually solve the problem of housing the homeless.

Posted by Burienite | August 7, 2007 9:56 AM

What does that have to do with the use of the word "fuck"? And if you're so smart, why has The Stranger been silent on Lora Lake?

Posted by getacluedan | August 7, 2007 11:35 AM
Posted by link police | August 7, 2007 2:40 PM

Postman and Ecce Homo should buttfuck.

Posted by Mr. Poe | August 7, 2007 6:53 PM

Postman and Ecce Homo should buttfuck.

Posted by Mr. Poe | August 7, 2007 6:54 PM

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