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Tuesday, March 20, 2007

Abstinence Education in Action

posted by on March 20 at 8:38 AM

Hm…. I wonder what would happen if I showed up at an American high school, tied a cute blond boy to a table, and threatened to drop a cinderblock on his cock? (It’s at the 6:29ish mark.) I don’t think I’d be invited to visit any other high schools.

Via Feministing.

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Yeah, but you'd never threaten to harm a cute blond boy's cock.

Frankly, few people would. Except Sir Crazy Bastard there.

Posted by Maggie | March 20, 2007 8:46 AM

Uh ... excuse me? "Condoms fail 10 to 30 percent of the time"? As water balloons, maybe. Where does that figure even COME from and why are people still telling that to kids?

Posted by GrammarCop | March 20, 2007 9:02 AM

Straps, handcuffs....sound's like Dan's column.

Posted by Katie | March 20, 2007 9:19 AM

Ya, I was kinda shocked to hear that failure rate, so I did some googling. Apparently, the 10% failure rate measures the amount of women who get pregnant during a one year period who used condoms as their primary method of BC ("primary" of course means that other or no BC could be used during the year so long as condoms are used the most). So that doesn't really say anything. Also, the rate is much lower for people who know how to properly use condoms. I think when a rational person faced this information, they would consider condom use education to be important. Instead, this chump is basically saying condoms are worthless. So when the kids do have sex, and they will, they can justify not using a condom b/c "it's probably not going to work anyway."

Posted by ThickSunny | March 20, 2007 9:21 AM


As part of a well-rounded education, I actually support this sort of thing, as long as the facts are right. The cinderblock-over-cock thing is a little OTT, but it does demonstrate the issue of probability rather well, and that's a surprisingly hard concept for people to grasp.

The 10% - 30% failure rate does sound like hokum to me, though... (I was under the impression it was about 5% - 10%, though personal experience tells me it's lower) but there's a possibility it's that high for first-time use, or for high-school use... especially if the user happens to go to a high school with an abistence-only sex-ed programme.

Posted by sebFlyte | March 20, 2007 9:23 AM

Also, Thick... that is probably a better way of looking at it. They may have a much higher chance of working each time, but what's more relevant... the risk of it breaking once, or over the course of a three-month relationship?

Condoms should not be relied on as a primary birth control method, unless you're willing to take the morning-after pill.

This is reason to encourage use of multiple forms of birth control, though, but that's a decision kids can make for themselves, once presented with all the information.

Posted by sebFlyte | March 20, 2007 9:28 AM

But the "failure" of a condom does not guarantee a brick will drop on your cock.

Posted by Dan Savage | March 20, 2007 9:28 AM


But it puts the chances of failure in terms that kids will understand.

10% is significant over an extended period, but people are prone to dismiss it...

Posted by sebFlyte | March 20, 2007 9:31 AM

I think the 10% rate takes into account how often people don't put the condoms on properly in the first place.

Someone needs to reply with "Abortion" as their number.

Posted by Rebecca | March 20, 2007 9:33 AM

To put my comments in context -- I think that abstinence-only sex-ed is harmful to kids, and something that should be stamped out.

Also, I'd quite like to drop a cinder block on this guy's cock for some of the nonsense he's spouting.

However, I think he's got some of the right ideas, and I think that, in general, it's much better to present facts to kids in a manner they'll understand than to not address the issues at all.

Posted by sebFlyte | March 20, 2007 9:34 AM

Was no one else seriously disturbed by the Jekyll and Hyde routine as he switched between himself and "Thick Sunny?"

Yo, yo, yo yo yo. Sex ain't cool, you's a fool, you might get pregnant so just stay in school!

Posted by Carollani | March 20, 2007 9:42 AM

My oldest sister is a clear example of how abstinence only sex ed DOESN'T work.

Posted by monkey | March 20, 2007 9:50 AM

Watching this makes me want to go get laid out of spite.

And yes, it's extremely annoying when people throw around lines like "condoms have a 10-30% failure rate" without explaining what that means. The suggestion is that you'll get pregnant 1-3 times out of 10 you use a condom, which is clearly horseshit.

Posted by tsm | March 20, 2007 9:56 AM

When I was that kid's age I would've had an embarrassing erection by the time the dude strapped me down.

Posted by DrewVSea | March 20, 2007 10:01 AM

Fairly early on he states himself that "52% of men will graduate high school as virgins." Assuming his numbers are correct (a dubious assumption given some of the rest of the BS he's spouting), that means 48% will ignore abstinence education.

Not exactly a ringing endorsement of success.

Posted by SDA in SEA | March 20, 2007 10:05 AM

In 25 years I've had exactly one condom break. And it is entirely possible that I didn't put it on right (it was more than 10 years ago, and I don't remember the details).

Posted by SDA in SEA | March 20, 2007 10:07 AM

Condoms have an extremely high failure rate when teenagers DON'T USE THEM because some religious fucktard tells them that when they have sex, they're accepting eternal torture anyway.

Posted by Noink | March 20, 2007 10:26 AM


I wouldn't call that success. It's pretty much guaranteed that those 48 percent of teenage boys would have had sex if it had been offered.

Posted by keshmeshi | March 20, 2007 10:49 AM

Whenever you discuss the success rate of any medical treatment that is self-administered, you break it down into "perfect-user", "average-user" and "below-average user." Each subgroup has it's own success rate with condoms.

The perfect-user (someone who rolls the condom over the penis, and holds the base while removing the penis from his partner's ass or vagina) will experience a greater-than 99% success rate in stopping the transmission of seminal fluid.

An average user gets lower results, and a below average user (say, someone who would let the condom slip off and not notice, or someone who breaks the condom themselves by putting it on wrong) will experience success rates much lower.

The solution is not to teach kids that condoms don't work. The solution is to make kids perfect users. Um, duh.

Posted by JAK | March 20, 2007 10:52 AM


Yeah, I wonder how many of that 52 percent have had blow jobs or mutually masturbated and consider virginity to be "having never engaged in penile/vaginal sex".

Posted by wile_e_quixote | March 20, 2007 11:33 AM

So I wonder, how many of these kids took away the message that condoms were bad versus how many took away the message that straps, handcuffs and cock and ball torture are really cool?

Posted by wile_e_quixote | March 20, 2007 11:49 AM

Man - that funky bassline in the background makes me want to fuck somethin'!

Posted by bbb | March 20, 2007 11:49 AM

I think other entertainers will disagree that what he does has anything to do with entertainment. It neither gets a message across, nor is it remotely funny.

Posted by Vasya | March 20, 2007 12:30 PM

i find it actually on target to compare sex with fire (not for children, can burn you if not handled right) and to say that sexual activity is not what makes you a man. these are fine messages. and there's nothing wrong with bringing home what "failure rate" can mean to the unlucky/inept ten percent. but that bullshit about 30 percent, and holding a cenderblock over the kid's dick...coarse, coarse. not so brilliant.

Posted by ellarosa | March 20, 2007 2:13 PM


Even worse, "average user" stats for condoms include people who DON'T USE THEM EVERY TIME. I don't think that most people realize this. As we can see in this thread, people tend to think the high failure rate for average condom users is attributable to improper technique that causes breakage. I'm inclined to think that these stats are more reflective of inconsistent use than improper use. Anybody have stats?

Posted by S'nutz | March 20, 2007 3:04 PM

Of course, sex on the couch is *good*, whereas sex should not be in the fireplace.

Posted by Kim | March 20, 2007 4:35 PM

Another fuckin' Alpha Males for Abstinence program. What a load of horseshit. While I would tend to agree that allowing this crapwad to put forward his lunacy in a public high school is potentially a healthy thing -- encouraging critical thinking, debate, and skepticism -- I doubt, however, that it ever plays out that way in practice. I imagine instead that, following the current American cultural trend, dissenters are viewed as disrupters and are duly marginalized. And if high school students need this sort of demonstration to illustrate what 10 percent means, then we're in worse trouble than I thought.

Posted by dmoore | March 20, 2007 4:53 PM

Okay, I made it through 1 minute and 45 seconds and shut it off. This is time in my life I'm not getting back so I decided to cut my losses.

Posted by monkey | March 20, 2007 5:57 PM

Watch until the cinderblock scene with the sound off and you will see a very erotic sado-masochistic love session. I wish I had gone this high school.

Posted by lawrence clark | March 20, 2007 6:15 PM

I just want every twelve year-old boy in the nation to get a RISUG. That would end accidental pregnancy. Then we would be able to talk about disease transmission rather than the emotional hot button of pregnancy. Then we could listen to silly rants about the holy nature of germ cells, because we all know that every sperm is sacred. Idjits.

Posted by Bunny | March 20, 2007 7:24 PM
"condoms have a 10-30% failure rate"

What's especially grating, to me, about the above quote is the mathematical illiteracy it demonstrates. A percentage is not a rate; it's just a percentage. According to his claim, between ten and thirty of a hundred fail. A hundred *what*?! Units matter, if you're not an idiot.

Posted by lmnop | March 20, 2007 8:50 PM

was I the only one who found the video insanely boring?

Posted by lee | March 20, 2007 8:53 PM

As if there weren't enough things wrong with this entirely fucked up presentation, Mr. Douche only talks to the boys for 95% time. As the most recent Savage Love illustrates, girls want it as bad as guys . . . and being a pregnant teen is a lot more real and scary than "sores on your buttocks". Way to never have moved beyond the "the boys are out to fuck, lock up your precious flower girls" mentality, asshole. While the misogyny isn't the worst thing about this piece of trash, its up there.

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