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Link to Arnold 2 and Saddam 2 are broken.

Posted by Monique | January 9, 2007 7:30 AM

The article about the National Guard refers to the Californian 1st Battalion, 185th Armor.

FYI, that's part of the same brigade as Washington's own 81st. So if they go, about 3,000 Washingtonians go too.

Posted by MHD | January 9, 2007 7:39 AM

Whoops—sorry about that. Links fixed.

Posted by Dan Savage | January 9, 2007 7:55 AM

I like the snow. Especially when it hits downtown.

I hope it snows lots.

Posted by seattle98104 | January 9, 2007 8:37 AM

Fuck off:

Seattle U. hand-delivered letters to all residents and told the nursing-home staff of the closure Monday. In the evening, the university's senior vice president, Tim Leary, met with residents.

"Obviously people were pretty upset, and there were lots of tears," he said. "The biggest issue for them is: 'Just where will we go?' "

Leary said a social-services professional will be assigned to each resident to work out a transfer plan that meets his or her needs, as well as the needs of family and loved ones.

He said it will be most difficult to place the one-third of residents on the state/federal Medicaid program. Of the remaining residents, about one-third receive federal Medicare money and one-third are private payers, Leary added.

He said the university also is trying to help place staffers in new jobs and is reviewing campus openings.

They weren't thrown out onto the street. SU does a lot for the community so to suggest that they're throwing old people onto the street is pretty shitty. I guess hosting tent city, offering free tax services and legal advice to the poor, and working with empty space isn't enough to get even a little respect?

Posted by charles | January 9, 2007 8:51 AM

Police said the clashes began when gunmen attacked Iraqi army checkpoints, and that Iraqi soldiers called for U.S. military help.

Government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said Iraqi forces had decided to wipe out "terrorist hide-outs" in the area once and for all. "God willing, Haifa Street will never threaten the Iraqi people again," he said.

Al-Dabbagh also said followers of Saddam Hussein were to blame for the violence.

"This would never have happened were it not for some groups who provided safe havens for these terrorists. And as everyone knows, the former Baathists provided safe haven and logistics for them to destabilize Iraq," he said.

Haifa Street has long been Sunni insurgent territory and housed many senior Baath Party members and officials during Saddam's rule.

just for those with slow computers can see.

Posted by sputnik | January 9, 2007 9:14 AM

Um, Dan there is no "e" in "Forman".

Posted by COMTE | January 9, 2007 9:15 AM

"So, should you be afraid? A little. AT&T will wield power over the nation's information networks to a degree unprecedented in the Internet age. How you feel about that depends on whether you trust the company, and unfortunately, AT&T has the corporate version of a criminal record. From the 1950s through the 1970s, AT&T—while creating the greatest network on earth—also killed long-distance competition, bottled up new technologies like the cell phone and home answering machine, and resisted the innovations that were later known as "the Internet." Some will argue that letting AT&T run the nation's networks is like putting Hannibal Lecter in charge of making dinner."By Tim Wu BELLWEATHER slate.06

I pasted that just because that was the information all I needed to drive the hammer into my head.. We'll see? Will Art and Logic be forever propagandized the masses or will it become a monopoly controlled and propagandized by one entity. I am not afraid, but, on the otherhand who is?

Posted by sputnik | January 9, 2007 9:20 AM

Fixed For(e)man, Comte. Thanks.

Posted by Dan Savage | January 9, 2007 9:21 AM

One of the reasons Seattle U is doing this is due to how we zone our city. It's only recently we lifted the lid on the UW building - which had caused facilities to spread out around this and nearby cities - look behind the obvious reaction and do a story on the real impacts.

Posted by Will in Seattle | January 9, 2007 9:24 AM

Dan is a bad, bad man. He uncharitable characterization of a Catholic institution's decision to close a nursing home is really uncalled for. When did the Catholic Church ever uncharitably characterize Dan Savage?

Oh, wait... homosexuality an "intrinsic moral disorder," gay parents "a threat to children," attacks on civil rights laws protecting homosexuals, a crusade against gay priests...

Posted by EXTC | January 9, 2007 9:25 AM

Blah, blah, blah EXTC--you go, victim!

Posted by Boomer | January 9, 2007 9:29 AM

wow, charles, someone's a bit sensative to criticism of the church. jebus h christ.

Posted by seattle98104 | January 9, 2007 9:30 AM

The Cathaholic Church has been on the wrong side of civil rights issues and basic human decency throughout its history.

EXTC forgot to mention that they're also greatly exacerbating the AIDS pandemic in Africa by telling everyone they're ah-gonna fry in hay-ell for using condoms. They don't feel the least bit bad that infection rates have hit 30% of the population in some countries, they only care about dogma.


Posted by Original Andrew | January 9, 2007 9:43 AM

dude. seattle u isn't the church. and it's a cheap shot. just because dan is gay doesn't give him carte blanche to imply that seattle u throws old people onto the street. tim leary, the vp who is handling all this, isn't a priest. most of the people who run SU aren't priests. only about half the students who go there are even catholic. i'm not catholic. so whatever your beef with the catholic church is, it isn't here. what you have is a small private university that needs to expand and decided that an elder-care facility didn't fit into their primary mission, which is to educate. that's it. nancy grace here decided to paint a different picture, and i'm calling bullshit.

Posted by charles | January 9, 2007 9:45 AM

Dan, are you under the impression that nursing homes never close? That only ruthless Christians would even consider the idea?

Posted by Gabriel | January 9, 2007 9:56 AM

Would not an elder care facility" be a teaching moment, or teaching by example moment, for a Christian institution? Look what I found in the SU mission statement:

"Seattle University is dedicated to educating the whole person, to professional formation, and to empowering leaders for a just and humane world.

We will be the premier independent university of the Northwest in academic quality, Jesuit Catholic inspiration, and service to society.


We treasure our Jesuit Catholic ethos and the enrichment from many faiths of our university community."

What was Jesus Christ's mission statement again? Take care of the hungry, sick, visit the prisoner, yadda yadda yadda.

And isn't that a Roman collar I see in the middle of SUs home page?

Posted by EXTC | January 9, 2007 9:59 AM

So HIV infection rates are much lower in Muslim African countries? I have no interest in defending the Catholic Church, especially since it usually doesn't deserve defending, but how much responsibility does it truly bear for the AIDS pandemic?

Posted by keshmeshi | January 9, 2007 10:01 AM

thanks extc, i'm well aware of the seattleu mission statement. have you ever been to seattle u? have you ever actually talked to anyone who works there or goes to school there? If you had you would know how utterly ridiculous dan's assertion is. You're living in a world of cliches, extc. This cliche stereotype of what the catholic church is seems to be all you need to make value judgements.

It's easy to take all these little pieces and paint a sensational picture and point to anecdotal evidence. OMGZ THERE'S A PRIEST ON THEIR WEB SITE! Dude. That's the president, fr. sunborg. OMGZ THEIR MISSION SAYZ TO HELP THE MIND AND BODY--EDUCATE THE WHOLE PERSON! They do that.

The plain, boring, simple fact is that a small university needs to grow can't also run a nursing home. So they find places for all the people living there and try to help the staff find jobs. If this were anywhere else you wouldn't even care, because these things happen every day. But because it plays into a sensational cliche it gives everyone a reason to get self-important and wag their fingers. If you actually knew anything about the place you'd see how ignorant you look right now.

Posted by charles | January 9, 2007 10:18 AM

Well, Charles, when your Church is in the business of wagging it's self-important, bejeweled fingers at others... it can't really complain when a finger gets wagged back, can it? Or, sure, it can.

Posted by Dan Savage | January 9, 2007 10:24 AM

"Self-important, bejeweled fingers" is my mantra for the day. Thanks.

Posted by Mark Mitchell | January 9, 2007 10:28 AM

it's not my church. as i said, i'm not catholic. but saying that they're throwing old people out on the street, and aren't they bad christians, simply isn't truthful. it's simply not the case.

what i see is someone who thinks they can get in a cheap, unfair shot and then if anyone calls them on it they just play the "well they cheap shot us so fair is fair." which is retarded.

Posted by charles | January 9, 2007 10:30 AM

Hey anyone over there at the Stranger need some Cruise Missiles. Jeez you guys easy, my computers starting to blow smoke.

Posted by The Spoofer | January 9, 2007 10:37 AM

I didn't say it was a cheap shot or unfair. I said I wagged my big, gay finger back at a Catholic institution. I stand by my wag. Tossing someone "out in the street" can be read as a figure of speech, meaning "remove someone from their home." Just like "moral disorder" can be read as "compassionate ministry to persons with homosexual orientations."

Sorry, Charles. Not going to back off. Live by moral superiority and casting judgment, die by the same. Reap, sow, etc.

Posted by Dan Savage | January 9, 2007 10:41 AM

Bring on Danger Jim!

Posted by scharrera | January 9, 2007 10:42 AM

Dude you know as well as I do that SU is way gay friendly. You're choosing to stand by your wag despite knowing that you're wagging your finger at something that didn't even happen the way you said it did (splitting hairs aside). That's hilarious. Is this going to be your "war on christmas", or are you going to pick something a little juicier?

Posted by charles | January 9, 2007 10:49 AM

Dude... bend over, spread cheeks, extract bunched panties.

A one line shot at a Catholic institution in a long list of morning news items hardly constitutes a war on anything. A jab at? Sure. War on? Hardly.

Also, I was raised Catholic. Went to a (high school) seminary, etc. By my reading of the Gospels, I'm pretty certain that Jeebus Christ would come down on the side of letting the old folks stay in their old folks home over some more labs and offices. Hence the wag.

Back to you, dude.

Posted by Dan Savage | January 9, 2007 10:55 AM

If i had something stuck in my ass, I'd name it dan. ;)

If we're going to consult jeebus it's going to take some serious smelling salts. but were he here, and someone said "hey these people can't run a nursing home and a university, but they've found places for the old people and offered help finding employment to the staff" I doubt a swarm of locusts would arrive. the people at su are good people. for the most part. which makes turning them into a cliche pretty lame, because it discounts all the good that they do.

Posted by charles | January 9, 2007 11:04 AM

I had a girlfriend who went there adn she was Bi- sexual and Catholic. She wouldn't share me with her girlfriends though. That kinda sucked . She was cool. SU doesn't turn out some bad vibes afterall I guess.
still got some toy cruise missiles if you need them over there.

Posted by I remember | January 9, 2007 11:16 AM

The Cathaholics also have a former Nazi for Pope.

The man even looks rabid. Eek!

Posted by Original Andrew | January 9, 2007 12:01 PM

America Says NO more troops!

Thursday, Jan. 11th

A Nationwide Surge of Protest
Of The US Military Occupation of Iraq

Posted by patrick C | January 9, 2007 12:04 PM

sounds like both extc and Mr. Savage need to do a little background research on the role of the Jesuits within the Catholic church.

This isn't the pope. The Jesuits have as big a hard on for knowledge and justice as they do for Jesus. Any SU graduate will tell you that social justice is THE pervavise theme through virtually every field of study there.

I'm not a huge Leary fan, but he's right. The nursing home doesn't fit in the mission statement. Seattle U. would be better served expanding its ability to produce more socially conscious graduates (both christian and secular) than it will caring for the elderly.

Posted by ben | January 9, 2007 12:56 PM


The Catholic church doesnt just say that using condoms is *morally* wrong, it also preaches that condoms have "tiny holes that the AIDS virus can get through". I shit you not. This is what they tell people who live in Africa and Southeast Asia. They also run people out of town for distributing condoms. The BBC did a great documentary about it a few years ago. Even with the WHO asking/pleading the church to change its stance, they wont. And there is a HUGE population of African Catholics. They also advise people that prayer will ward off AIDS and HIV. They are real winners.

Posted by Monique | January 9, 2007 1:26 PM

Within the Catholic Church, some Jesuits are criticized by some parties for being overly liberal and deviating substantially from official Church teaching and papal directives, especially on such issues as abortion, priestly celibacy, homosexuality, and liberation theology.


Posted by charles | January 9, 2007 3:22 PM
Posted by charles | January 9, 2007 3:22 PM

"I entered as a way to cope with being gay," says a thirty-six-year-old Jesuit, "although that would not have been the way I put it then." He is not alone. Roughly half of the Society under the age of fifty shuffles on the borderline between declared and undeclared gayness. In 1999 the American Jesuits decided to give priority to the recruitment of gays (under the rubric of "men comfortable with their sexuality"), and the majority of American formatores, Jesuits in charge of training, are homosexual as well.

There is a good deal of dissembling among superiors here: some denying the accusation of the gay influx, some admitting it but insisting that it is a boon, most perhaps shifting from one stance to the other depending on the sympathies of their audience and the exigencies of the moment. Overall, superiors have cautiously abetted the transformation of the gay subculture into the dominant culture within Jesuit houses. The website of the California Province portrays its novitiate in frankly camp terms (a photo showing two novices in Mardi Gras masks was captioned "Pretty Boy and Jabba the Slut"). On the other coast, Boston Magazine recognized the downtown Jesuit parish as the "best place to meet a mate--gay" in its "Best of Boston" awards.

Are the Jesuits Catholic?

Posted by charles | January 9, 2007 3:40 PM

Jesuit University says support to gay organizations is the Catholic thing to do

Santa Clara, Calif, Nov. 04, 2005 (CNA) - An official from the Jesuit-run Santa Clara University in California told Catholic News Agency that hosting a two-day long conference, on how to promote opportunities for gays and lesbians at Catholic colleges is the Catholic way to act as opposed to highlighting the intrinsic immorality of homosexual acts.

As the Vatican prepares a document reiterating its stance, particularly against homosexuality in seminaries, the aim of the conference entitled Out There was to highlight scholarships and student affairs being created to cater specifically to gays and lesbians at Catholic institutions.

Posted by charles | January 9, 2007 3:42 PM

Americans Plan Rome Trip Over Ban on Gay Priests

The provincial of the New York province of Jesuits, the Rev. Gerald J. Chojnacki, also sent a letter to his priests on Monday denouncing any move to exclude homosexuals.

"We know that God does not discriminate," Father Chojnacki wrote. "We know that gay men who have responded to the call have served the church well as priests and religious - and so why would we be asked to discriminate based on orientation alone against those whom God has called and invited?"

He wrote that he had participated in the funerals of "some very fine and distinguished Jesuits" who were also gay men. "I find it insulting to demean their memory and their years of service by even hinting that they were unfit for priesthood because of their sexual orientation," wrote Father Chojnacki, who leads one of the largest Jesuit provinces in the country, with 437 men.

Posted by charles | January 9, 2007 3:45 PM

anyone still confused over the difference between jesuits and the rest of the catholic church?

Posted by charles | January 9, 2007 3:46 PM

Santa Clara University Law School (a Catholic school) has an active BGLAd chapter that the Dean of the law school actively supports.

Posted by Santa Clara Law Student | January 9, 2007 7:29 PM

I don't know, i heard seattle has a jewish problem.

Posted by the catholic problem | January 9, 2007 10:26 PM

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