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Tuesday, September 2, 2014

ISIS Beheads Second American Journalist

Posted by on Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 10:24 AM


The horrible details.

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theophrastus 1
apparently the first ghastly act didn't furnish the military industrialist complex with sufficient casus belli (more beheadings for a more stable armageddon)
Posted by theophrastus on September 2, 2014 at 10:36 AM · Report this
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Saudi Arabia was unavailable for comment.
Posted by tiktok on September 2, 2014 at 10:39 AM · Report this
unknown_entity 3
I like to think that I am nominally a pacifist, but when a group like ISIS makes a practice of celebrating genocide and broadcasting crimes against humanity, I start to feel that we need to put "Ride of the Valkyries" on continuous loop and turn every military site they have into a smoking crater.
Posted by unknown_entity on September 2, 2014 at 10:42 AM · Report this
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Again, and again, it must be repeated, this dates back to the Bush Administration and their invasion of Iraq and their Iraqi War.

ISIS, or the Islamic State, is at the core composed of Saddam's former Republic Guard, and while they have gone through some name changes, there was absolutely no excuse for the Obama administration financing their weapons when they purported to be a component of the Free Syria movement --- obviously the CIA/DIA/NSA was clueless once again in this matter!

Now they have Syrian jets (along with pilots they are forcing to train them) in their possession, possibly one-half billion dollars from that Mosul Bank they captured, along with any and all gold there, plus everything they have stripped from all the territory they have invaded and occupied.

Time to annihilate these cretins as they almost pose as dangerous a terrorist threat to America as do the Terrorists of Wall Street!
Posted by sgt_doom on September 2, 2014 at 10:54 AM · Report this
saxfanatic 5
These guys won't be bombed into submission. Let it go.

What's baffling is that ISIS is turning strategic resources - crude oil, hydroelectric power, etc. - into weapons, ammunition, supplies and cash. It's a big malignant tumour that's sustaining itself thanks to global energy market and the international banking system.

Economic sanctions suppressed Saddam Hussein's regime for a decade. Why couldn't it work again to suppress ISIS?
Posted by saxfanatic on September 2, 2014 at 10:57 AM · Report this
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I don't get their strategy here. It obviously appeals to the home team, but the US isn't Europe. While EU countries quietly pay ransoms to get their nationals back, the US is looking for any excuse to engage in our favorite activity--bloodthirsty mega violence. Just ask Al-Shabaab.

For a country with the apparent attention span of a fruit fly, we sure have a long memory when it comes to getting revenge.
Posted by Westside forever on September 2, 2014 at 10:59 AM · Report this
saxfanatic 7
@6: It's only the voters that have the short attention spans. America's vengeance-takers are professionals. They're paid to remember.
Posted by saxfanatic on September 2, 2014 at 11:10 AM · Report this
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I think maybe it's a bit early to predict their inevitable downfall. Strategy might seem bad now, but results are what count.
Posted by Jude Fawley on September 2, 2014 at 11:14 AM · Report this
raindrop 9
@2: Actually, even sleepy King Abdullah is sounding the alarm. Wow.
Posted by raindrop on September 2, 2014 at 11:20 AM · Report this
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@6, their strategy should be obvious by this time, they are successfully recruiting large numbers of jihadis around the world, arriving there in ISIS land with their passports intact, which means not only a growing jihadi army, but a growing pool of passports at their disposal.

To repeat: ISIS is Osama bin Laden's wet dream come true --- the only difference, perhaps, is that the chief victims of ISIS, as with al Shabaab, are Muslims.

They are slickly branded and packaged, and some real financing behind them, with their revenues now self-generating.
Posted by sgt_doom on September 2, 2014 at 11:21 AM · Report this
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keshmeshi 12
@5,

Maybe because these are religious zealots who won't rest until they've subjugated or killed anyone they don't like. Saddam was content to be left alone with his palaces.

You might consider how political imprisonments and extrajudicial killings skyrocketed in Iran after the Shah was ousted. A secular strongman oppresses anyone who stands in his way. A religious zealot oppresses anyone who stands in his way and anyone who doesn't adhere to the zealot's narrow view of his religion. Which regime would you rather live under?
Posted by keshmeshi on September 2, 2014 at 11:39 AM · Report this
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@3: Yeah, but we lost that war too.
Posted by tiktok on September 2, 2014 at 11:51 AM · Report this
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that isis vid sounded like an advertisement for rand paul.
Posted by carsten coolage on September 2, 2014 at 12:11 PM · Report this
theophrastus 15
who would benefit if America returned to major military operations in the middle east? would it be the Muslim extremists? probably not in the short-run. no other guesses? pretty sure it isn't our taxpayers or the economic health of America or Americans in general.
Posted by theophrastus on September 2, 2014 at 12:15 PM · Report this
ferret 16
If one looks at radicalized self righteous groups, like the Anabaptist that took control of Münster in the 1530s, they tend to burn themselves out if they murder and rape everyone in their sight. ISIS isn't going to last long, they have pissed off Shiites, Kurds, Iranians, Americans, Yazidis etc. People will fight back if they know they can't deal with them... They aren't going to grow in strength, but fight numerous battles with all the groups that want them eradicated.
Posted by ferret http://https://twitter.com/#!/okojo on September 2, 2014 at 12:17 PM · Report this
Pope Peabrain 17
People who are willing to die for their beliefs. A gift and a curse.
Posted by Pope Peabrain on September 2, 2014 at 12:42 PM · Report this
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Meanwhile Mohammedans are setting fire to clubs in Seattle, murdering gays on our streets and grooming and raping thousands of white girls in Britain. But guilty white PC liberals turn a blind eye.
Posted by Biggles on September 2, 2014 at 12:52 PM · Report this
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@5, economic sanctions? Are you kidding?
Posted by sarah91 on September 2, 2014 at 12:55 PM · Report this
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youtube.com/watch?v=d4KPWOUkbw8
Posted by a_titanic_bluebird on September 2, 2014 at 1:06 PM · Report this
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ISIS needs America's war machine for PR. We are fools if we fall for ISIS' plan. And we are major fools.
Posted by kwodell on September 2, 2014 at 1:31 PM · Report this
saxfanatic 22
@19: No, I'm not kidding. Warfare costs a HUGE amount of money. ISIS can terrorize civilians indefinitely but it can't defend Iraqi oil exports. No oil exports, no funds.
Posted by saxfanatic on September 2, 2014 at 1:49 PM · Report this
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:D

youtube.com/watch?v=4smim2MNvF8

Cactis get rare, if you go about your life in the proper way.

:D:D
Posted by a_titanic_bluebird on September 2, 2014 at 2:33 PM · Report this
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It's a good thing you guys have Dan Savage to lead you to the promised land.

youtube.com/watch?v=pDWKSie5gLo
Posted by a_titanic_bluebird on September 2, 2014 at 2:38 PM · Report this
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DC Conversations:

Should we send in the drones now or wait for even further escalation to return the full occupation forces?

What about Ukraine? It looks promising.

Syria turned out to be a soft market for us.

Thankfully, arms sells are up, up, up to Israel and to Hamas by way of Qatar.

ISIS/ISIL has provided a perfect opportunity to test and improve our newest drones, weapon systems and tactical operations effectiveness and accuracy.

Whoever successfully funded ISIS/ISIL into existence is surely being wines, dined and rewarded by the defense industry.

War, sweet war, how America loves ya'...let us count the billions and billions of ways.
Posted by Welcome to WarMart on September 2, 2014 at 2:50 PM · Report this
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A few intelligent comments, a bunch of really stupid comments (with the economic sanctions proposal among the stupidest).

The first step in annihilating ISIS is to annihilate Saudi Arabia.
Posted by sgt_doom on September 2, 2014 at 3:02 PM · Report this
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#26..

And you're left with..

What, precisely?

Savagery begets savagery.

Any form of civilization in which I can walk about safely survives. It's that simple.

Anyways.

As a final aside. I'd prefer asside, and while my diction would remain perfect, I would be betraying myself.

While you guys were busy jaw warring, I was the kind of guy who gets a gun pulled on him and starts calling the aggressor a pussy.

youtube.com/watch?v=kaFygeknae8

Have fun going extinct!
Posted by a_titanic_bluebird on September 2, 2014 at 3:10 PM · Report this
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I slept for all of two hours, which makes this six pack feel like cheating.

Think of it guys. Spineless cacti.

The stuff of legends.
Posted by a_titanic_bluebird on September 2, 2014 at 3:18 PM · Report this
saxfanatic 29
“We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.”
- A. Einstein

President Bush the Elder knew what he was doing.

@sgt_dork: you're a tool.
Posted by saxfanatic on September 2, 2014 at 3:42 PM · Report this
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Ok guys.

Art school.

Eyes. Prize.

http://i.imgur.com/ScpyCQH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UHjsFm8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/aNDHOTM.jpg

See. Actual human beings actually change according to what will get them laid in their surrounding environs.

Until a few years after you drive them out of their mind.

Speaking of minds, mine has been fried on a level you could never dream of.

I really want to quit guys. I mean, as fun as it is teaching the world what is real, I'm getting dangerously close to forbidden knowledge.

Such as, sight.

And I just can't do that.
Posted by a_titanic_bluebird on September 2, 2014 at 3:54 PM · Report this
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Or you can make them disgusting and fat and make a dickless Thom Yorke Jesus Christ, causing any thinking American to quite literally run out of the building.

Let's not forget the winking five-year old piece, shall we?

Your call.
Posted by a_titanic_bluebird on September 2, 2014 at 3:56 PM · Report this
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This must be quite painful, Germ.

But trust me.

You're Jesus fucking Christ, dude.

And, according to your interpretation, you will be rendered penniless and insane.
Posted by a_titanic_bluebird on September 2, 2014 at 3:59 PM · Report this
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One final favor Dan.

Because, somehow leader that you ended up being, you're not Driscoll.

DAN'S A FAG GUYS. HE WROTE A GAY SEX COLUMN FOR FAGS. HE NEVER INTENDED FOR HALF OF THE TECH-LITERATE HETEROSEXUAL WORLD TO FOLLOW HIS ADVICE.

Posted by a_titanic_bluebird on September 2, 2014 at 4:12 PM · Report this
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I couldn't really tell you what converting got him.

Because, I mean, if it's not a wife and a spot in the family.

What the fuck for.

Being a computer, I added 'graphic' to my search term.

redflagnews.com / headlines / breaking-second-american- journalist-steven-sotloff -beheaded- by-islamic-state

Maybe we can get the president to look at it this way.

AND THEY HAD A BRIT DO IT.

youtube.com/watch?v=RgHtBxOs4qw

3.4 oz. thx.

Truly - Marshal.
Posted by a_titanic_bluebird on September 2, 2014 at 4:36 PM · Report this
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Can we all agree that Barack is not only incompetent but terrified and listen to Hagel for the duration of her tenure?
Posted by a_titanic_bluebird on September 2, 2014 at 4:56 PM · Report this
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Bluebird. Take yer meds.
Posted by Your mommy on September 2, 2014 at 5:29 PM · Report this
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There's one of two possible motives here. They might trying the more obvious play and hoping it scares off American involvement. ISIS seems smarter than to expect that to work, but they have been focused locally rather than planning attacks across the ocean.

The other possibility is they want America to entangle itself in another prolonged invasion. Not because they expect to win a fight, but to grow a steady stream of recruits from the displaced. They could also want to US to overextend itself and hasten the day when extravagant military expenditures cause US influence to collapse. This was Bin Laden's plan, so they're probably familiar with the concept.
Posted by Impulse on September 2, 2014 at 6:59 PM · Report this
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Jesus the 1984 esque deletion of memory is strong. Before any American journalist were beheaded, before ISIS had any moves to attack America, we bombed ISIS positions around Kurdistan for "humanitarian reasons." Unprovoked. You think 4 guys in a pick up truck have a chance versus a drone they can't see, hear or detect on radar with a 500- lb guided bomb? We started this war, then apparently collectively deleted the memory of this event to postdate the justification to be the executed journalist who was killed after we had already started bombing people who were not at war with us.

Watch the video of Foley's execution, at least up until he get his head chopped off. The British jihadi gives a very clear and simple explanation as to why they are killing Foley, and then states very clearly what will happen if America continues to attack ISIS. The generated outrage that infects even so called liberals in America is disgusting. Here's a thought: Stop killing other people, and maybe, just maybe, they'll stop killing you. Or not. Drop high explosives on people continents away and act shocked, SHOCKED! they have the gumption to fight back.

Just let Iraq break into a viable Sunni Rump State that includes upriver Syria, a Shi'ia Rump State in the Mesopotamian river valley, and a Kurdish state in the north and quit interfering in other nation's business.
Posted by Beijing Maitaihaier on September 2, 2014 at 7:58 PM · Report this
venomlash 39
@38: Before we bombed ISIS fighters, they were massacring ethnic minorities. Civilians, many of them women and children. Why? Because they didn't subscribe to ISIS's twisted version of Islam.
We have a MORAL OBLIGATION to do SOMETHING to stop that sort of outrage.
Posted by venomlash on September 2, 2014 at 8:17 PM · Report this
Eschatologisaurus Rex 40
The best part about the rise of ISIS is how it's improving U.S.-Iran relations.
Posted by Eschatologisaurus Rex on September 2, 2014 at 8:34 PM · Report this
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Humanitarian bombing! Kill people to stop the massacre! War is Peace! America's Moral Obligation to put it's nose in every other people's business at the point of a gun. Seeing as it worked swimmingly in 1991, 1998, and 2003, let's just keep doing the same strategy over and over again. Who knows, maybe this will be the time it works, I know it.

In short, we must bomb Assad in order to prevent war crimes! Protestors are being shot in the street, Civilians are in danger, people are being tortured because they don't belong to the ruling regime's particular sect and subscribe to their particular religious beliefs! Oh wait, that was 2012, this is 2014. Remember citizen, we are and have always been at war with Eastasia. Support the troops! @ 39
Posted by Beijing Maitaihaier on September 2, 2014 at 8:42 PM · Report this
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@40, Agreed! The budding US- Iran rapprochement is only matched in sheer blind mutual hypocrisy by the nascent Israel-Saudi Arabia alliance. Anyone, Dan Savage and venomlash included, who is looking at this through the prism of "outrage" or "humanitarian reasons" or "genocide" is a naïve fool.
Posted by Beijing Maitaihaier on September 2, 2014 at 8:50 PM · Report this
raindrop 43
@42: To ISIS, any civilization that is not theirs is inherently evil and must be ultimately destroyed. You may think that such a statement is naïve, others would say it's prudent and wise, and also something that history has taught us.
It is not a stretch to draw comparisons from the passion of the Nazi followers of the early twentieth century to those joining ISIS literally from around the world. Add to that all the technology, arms, and wealth at their disposal and you have a very bad infection someone's got to clean before its too late.
Actually, I wish it was as simple as you say - a PR stunt by neocons. Unfortunately, it is really not.
Posted by raindrop on September 2, 2014 at 10:51 PM · Report this
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The tired canard of "If we don't fight (North Vietnam, North Korea, Cuba, Iraq, Putin, and now apparently ISIS) it'll be the Munich Agreement all over again" is a staple of post World War II American foreign policy. For one, Nazi Germany was an industrialized country of 70 million at the head of an international military alliance. ISIS controls an area the size of Belgium with a population of 6 million. So no, the passion of the Nazi's is a bit of a stretch to compare to ISIS. Their technology, arms and wealth are all second hand pick me ups from our previous batch of Iraqi collaborators, while the Nazi's seemed to be able to make their own technology, arms and wealth that were on par if not better than the rest of the industrialized world.

This country went against a superpower that by God covered the majority of Eurasia and didn't have this current disgusting level of fear mongering and pants wetting. ISIS is a regional insurgency in the Maoist theory of insurgency's second stage, and should be left to be Iran's problem, which it clearly is. It is not some sort of civilization destroying "infection." Which if we want to talk about the language of genocide, damn, that sentence right there about "infection" says more than anything the blatant racist "neocons" could ever say. @43

The fact is both the well meaning liberals like raindrop and the bomb-em-back to the stone age conservatives like venomlash are two sides of the same coin. They both claim to never start a fight, but hell, do they get provoked easily.
Posted by Beijing Maitaihaier on September 3, 2014 at 12:07 AM · Report this
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"Drop high explosives on people continents away and act shocked, SHOCKED! they have the gumption to fight back."

The germans and japanese stop fighting back.
Posted by A member of the Tim Hortons crowd on September 3, 2014 at 5:17 AM · Report this
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"well meaning liberals like raindrop and the bomb-em-back to the stone age conservatives like venom lash"

You're new here, outraged man.
Posted by And Fnarf is black, right? on September 3, 2014 at 5:20 AM · Report this
raindrop 47
@44: I wish we had the luxury of treating ISIS as a regional insurgency (or a JV team as the President calls them) that can be handled by the enemy of my enemy who is my friend: Iran. True, things like this have fizzed out before.

Not since the Nazi's though, has a force been as expansive with such a passion to annihilate Jews, and in addition - infidels. Not like military machine like in WWII, ISIS nevertheless has to its advantage the internet immediacy of global resources to practice asymmetrical terrorist strikes. They would, if they could, blow up the dams in northern Iraq, at the very least. We can only hope Baghdad remains out of their reach.

I understand that hysteria and hype are unleashed red herrings in these situations. But the president was wrong in thinking that the bankrupt and doomed ideology of ISIS (paraphrasing his comments after the first beheading) will in itself be their downfall. There was indeed that sentiment in America and Europe as Hitler was starting his aggression - but we see then that intellectual bankruptcy or "bad karma" is insufficient to rely on for foreign policy.

Despite the time, technology, and other factors - those in themselves do not negate lessons from history because the volatile human condition (in all its permutations) remains a constant.
Posted by raindrop on September 3, 2014 at 9:16 AM · Report this
venomlash 48
@44: "The fact is both the well meaning liberals like raindrop and the bomb-em-back to the stone age conservatives like venomlash are two sides of the same coin."
HA HA HA oh man mah jimmies.
Posted by venomlash on September 3, 2014 at 1:17 PM · Report this
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@47 I get it, you think that ISIS=Nazi's, the analogy is clearly spurious. I'm tired of belaboring the point, although one part of your post stands out. "They would, if they could, blow up the dams in northern Iraq, at the very least." The dam you are referring to is the old Saddam Dam, ISIS controlled it for 10 days or so in the beginning of August, and despite how "crazy" and "insane" they must be, they didn't blow the dam and flood Mosul when they dad the chance.

ISIS controlled territory overlaps with few exceptions Sunni Arab majority areas in western Iraq and have shown little ability to take and hold hostile ground in the face of opposition. ISIS is a classic regional insurgency in the Maoist tradition, which means it survives due to the acceptance, tacit or otherwise, of the population it operates in.

What, pray tell, is the plan after ISIS? Seeing as it existed when we did physically occupy Iraq with ground troops, let's accept your premise that, say airstrikes and Special Forces somehow give courage to the Iraqi Army that threw down their guns and ran from Mosul earlier this year, and they defeat ISIS conventionally and retake the Sunni part of Iraq. Are we going to help Assad user of chemical weapons, gasser of his own people, ally of Iran take back Sunni eastern Syria? And since you seemed so worried about helpless little Israel, Assad is also an avowed enemy of Israel and ally of Hizbullah

This sentiment of "we must do something!" is what passes for strategic thinking. Strategically it is bankrupt, the squandering of U.S. treasure and blood to help our enemies, and morally it is just supporting the death squads of Assad, Hizbullah, and Shi'ia Iraq over the death squads of ISIS. The world will go on if we let it have a war that we manage to not embroil ourselves in. Maybe we should try it, just this once.
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