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Tuesday, July 29, 2014

Satanists Respond to Hobby Lobby Decision by Asserting Religious Exemption from "Informed Consent" Abortion Laws

Posted by on Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 8:16 AM

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Citing some of their central religious tenets, the Satanic Temple has just offered what is probably the most creative response yet to the Supreme Court's recent Hobby Lobby ruling: A letter women can give to their doctors to express their "deeply held belief" that they shouldn't be subject to state-mandated information sessions before receiving abortions. They're coming at the freshly empowered religious anti-abortion/anti-contraception movement from a powerful place—a religious pro-choice, pro-bodily-autonomy movement. (Did you not ever think of this possibility, right-wing brainiacs???)

Two of their religion's Seven Fundamental Tenets apply here, the Satanic Temple says in a recent announcement: first, that "one's body is inviolable, subject to one's own will alone," and second, that "beliefs should conform to our best scientific understanding of the world." State laws regarding what information must be shared with patients before abortion procedures can vary, and are often designed to discourage women from getting abortions—from the mild (information about adoption) to the dramatic (sonograms and descriptions of the fetus, scientifically dubious claims about fetal pain). Don't see how handing out pamphlets about fetal development or forcing pregnant women to get another ultrasound could ever be a problem? Read Texan Carolyn Jones's experience with her state's sonogram law.

“While we feel we have a strong case for an exemption regardless of the Hobby Lobby ruling," says Satanic Temple spokesman Lucien Greaves via press release, "the Supreme Court has decided that religious beliefs are so sacrosanct that they can even trump scientific fact." Because of the "respect the Court has given to religious beliefs," Greaves says they expect that members of their church and others with the same beliefs are now clearly exempt from receiving that state-mandated information (which they refer to as "political information" in their letter). More from the Satanic Temple's website:

An increasing number of states have passed "informed consent" laws, requiring that women seeking abortions be subjected to state-mandated informational materials that are often false or misleading. We believe that personal decisions should be made with reference to only the best available, scientifically valid information. If you are a woman seeking an abortion who shares these deeply held beliefs, please print the letter below to present to your care-provider, informing him/her that you are to be exempted from receiving "informed consent" materials.

An example from the letter: "This letter constitutes my acknowledgment that you have offered Political Information to me. I reject that Political Information because it offends my sincerely held religious beliefs."

And there you go! A most interesting chapter of 2014. Craft store corporation becomes legally religious, and Satanists start asserting their religious exemptions. Oh, and clergy start handing out condoms at craft stores, among other responses. I wish the Supreme Court had gone the other way in that decision, but the various avenues of backlash are still pretty fascinating to watch.

Oh, and if you wanted to donate to the Satanic Temple? "Please note that The Satanic Temple believes that religious organizations should not be tax exempt and for that reason contributions are not tax deductible."

 

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1
I had no idea I was a satanist!
Posted by tshicks on July 29, 2014 at 8:19 AM · Report this
2
God bless those Satanists
Posted by themightywoozie on July 29, 2014 at 8:35 AM · Report this
MacCrocodile 3
What if Rosemary had an abortion? Huh, Satanists? What about that?
Posted by MacCrocodile http://maccrocodile.com/ on July 29, 2014 at 8:46 AM · Report this
4
Little odd that Satanists have more noble positions on health care than Christians.
Posted by GermanSausage on July 29, 2014 at 8:52 AM · Report this
Pope Peabrain 5
I would have thought Wicca would be a leader in protecting women's reproductive health. I hope this starts to give Scalia migraines.
Posted by Pope Peabrain on July 29, 2014 at 8:56 AM · Report this
6
The Stranger and its readers applauding Satanists?

Color me surprised!
Posted by Seattleblues on July 29, 2014 at 9:08 AM · Report this
Pope Peabrain 7
@6 It's a chess game of imaginary gods.
Posted by Pope Peabrain on July 29, 2014 at 9:11 AM · Report this
JonnoN 9
@7, and @6 wanders in and yells KING ME
Posted by JonnoN http://www.backnine.org/ on July 29, 2014 at 9:23 AM · Report this
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@6, Seattleblues being a worse human being than Satanists? Nobody was surprised at all.
Posted by GermanSausage on July 29, 2014 at 9:31 AM · Report this
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@ 6, the "the satanic temple" are not "actually worship the devil as a deity" satanists (which is why they are far from popular with the silly Crowley crowd), they are satanists as in how various (pre-)enlightenment figures like Milton, Blake, etc (and even going back to gnostic texts) presented Lucifer and his defiance of heaven as a promethean symbol for free will and humanism. Which is also the theme for many of the more intelligent death/trash-metal bands at the moment like Lamb of God, ArchEnemy, DevilDriver and Behemoth.
i assume most members are actually atheists with maybe the occasional agnostic and wiccan/pagan thrown in.
essentially they started this "church" to fight those "Christians" who cant get their heads around the separation of church and state using their own game, hence why they for example raised money to put a statue of Baphomet next to a statue to glorify the ten commandments on the Oklahoma state house lawn: http://www.vice.com/read/heres-the-first…
because if Christians can do it, everyone should be able to get the same. Its like the church of the flying spaghetti monster that was started to combat creationism being taught in public schools.
this aikido move with the hobby lobby ruling is exactly in that line.

which you would have known if you would have bothered to click the link provided in the article: http://thesatanictemple.com/about-us/35-…
Posted by dutchie on July 29, 2014 at 9:52 AM · Report this
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@11: We give "The Holy Roman Catholic Church" the benefit of the doubt for being "Christians", so I think the Satanic Temple qualifies as "Satanists".
Posted by tiktok on July 29, 2014 at 9:53 AM · Report this
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@12

I didn't need to click a link. I'm aware these are irreligious delayed adolescents believing in nothing but irritating others.

A true atheist I can disagree with and still respect, if with pity. A child playing games using taxpayer funded courts as their playground, not at all.

Which is a big part of their appeal to lefty loonies. All of you are fodder mentality at best. All have a laughably immature social, political and (in the case of lefty loonies) economic worldview.

To which you're entitled. It's only when you attack property rights, morality, family and basic Constitutional liberties decent people care what you "think" at all.
Posted by Seattleblues on July 29, 2014 at 10:02 AM · Report this
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Auto correct replaced toddler mentality with fodder mentality. Oh well, it's a sunny day and I'm off to enjoy it it.

'Enjoy' is a word you lefties might try to understand, in passing. Rather than bitch and moan how it isn't faaaaiiiirrrr and blame others for your problems and generally throw temper tantrums, you might take charge of and find joy in your own lives.
Posted by Seattleblues on July 29, 2014 at 10:06 AM · Report this
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"It's only when you attack property rights, morality, family and basic Constitutional liberties"

and

"Rather than bitch and moan how it isn't faaaaiiiirrrr and blame others for your problems and generally throw temper tantrums, you might take charge of and find joy in your own lives. "

says the guy who throws temper tantrums every time when the supreme court says gay people and women and such have basic constitutional liberties

not sure whether trolling or massive cognitive dissonance
Posted by dutchie on July 29, 2014 at 10:18 AM · Report this
Lissa 17
@15: Your utter lack of self awareness is always so delicious.

Rather than bitch and moan how it isn't faaaaiiiirrrr and blame others for your problems and generally throw temper tantrums, you might take charge of and find joy in your own life.

Take your own advice.
Posted by Lissa on July 29, 2014 at 10:30 AM · Report this
MacCrocodile 18
@17 - It's no use. He's enjoying a sunny day.
Posted by MacCrocodile http://maccrocodile.com/ on July 29, 2014 at 10:37 AM · Report this
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Okay, fun's over guys. Let's get back to our original secret discussions about starting impure sex-orgy rituals to get Satan McLucifer into office so he can destroy family values.
Posted by themightywoozie on July 29, 2014 at 10:43 AM · Report this
Max Solomon 20
I refuse to believe that dude's real name is "Lucien".

Otherwise, go Satanists.
Posted by Max Solomon on July 29, 2014 at 10:48 AM · Report this
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Man, Seattleblues seems to almost be on the verge of discovering our secret leftie agenda of equal opportunity for all people and freedom from religious tomfoolery. Better back quietly away...
Posted by Eckstein on July 29, 2014 at 10:58 AM · Report this
Cracker Jack 22
'Enjoy' is a word you lefties might try to understand, in passing. Rather than bitch and moan how it isn't faaaaiiiirrrr and blame others for your problems and generally throw temper tantrums, you might take charge of and find joy in your own lives.

Because the legalization of marijuana in Washington state was brought about by the fearless right wing! Oh, and access to birth control, making enjoying sex less prone to unwanted disease or unplanned pregnancy. Oh, and various social safety nets to make life generally better for all...

Thank GOD for the right wing for all they do for us!
Posted by Cracker Jack on July 29, 2014 at 10:58 AM · Report this
Original Andrew 23
Thanks for making the Satanists America's new voice of reason, Supreme Asswipes.
Posted by Original Andrew on July 29, 2014 at 11:13 AM · Report this
COMTE 24
@22:

Trying to reason with SB and their ilk is like trying to stare directly into the sun for an hour and not incur severe retinal damage - simply cannot be done.
Posted by COMTE on July 29, 2014 at 11:44 AM · Report this
Theodore Gorath 25
Oh look, Seattleblues stopped by to remind everyone that he never has any fucking clue what he is talking about.
Posted by Theodore Gorath on July 29, 2014 at 11:46 AM · Report this
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@14: As an atheist, allow me to elucidate the reasons why, if I believe in the Christian god, I would be a Satanist:

I believe that I have an obligation to help others where I can, and that harming others is evil. Thus, a God who damns ANYONE to an eternity of torment is the most evil being possible. There is no sin which a mortal can commit which deserves an eternity of pain and suffering. That is the definition of unjust, as there is no proportionality between sin and punishment. Thus, if I felt that God were a good theory to explain our universe (he is not, as Sean Carroll explains nicely here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew_cNONh…), I would be unable to worship such an evil being.

And that's not even getting into the questions such as "is free will worth allowing evil/suffering" and "if God could prevent natural disasters, why doesn't he" and "why does God terminate so many pregnancies?"

You worship a profoundly evil concept, and seek to lecture me on morality.

Fuck that.
Posted by Hanoumatoi on July 29, 2014 at 12:43 PM · Report this
venomlash 27
I'll say this for the Satanists:
They've never rounded up all the Jews in an entire country and forced them to convert or be tortured to death.

Also: what does "Satan" mean? "Adversary". The original meaning and understanding of that Hebrew word was of an angel playing the role of prosecuting attorney. It was later reimagined by Christians as a supernatural manifestation of evil so that they'd have someone to blame things on rather than take responsibility for their own actions or confront difficult questions of theodicy.

@15: Go ahead and enjoy your sunny day. I just spent most of MY day hard at work.
Posted by venomlash on July 29, 2014 at 2:31 PM · Report this
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@3 for the laugh of the day.

@14/15 for the lecture of the day. (I'm an agnostic and I would never be this patronizing.)
Posted by westello on July 29, 2014 at 4:26 PM · Report this
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When I imagine Seattleblues enjoying a sunny day, I imagine a crotchety old toothless man in farmer johns with no shirt on sitting in a rocking chair on a porch, pointing a rifle at the neighborhood kids.

I'm sure that my mind is completely accurate.
Posted by erly on July 29, 2014 at 4:56 PM · Report this
Knat 30
@26: A shorter version of all your points can be found in enjoyable "Good Guy Lucifer" meme form by clicking here. My favorite is probably the first one, though it's certainly not the funniest.

The rest of you trying to convince Seattleblues of his idiocy would better spend your time trying to squeeze blood from a stone. He's too deeply wrapped up in his flavor of the Dunning-Kruger effect to be swayed.
Posted by Knat on July 29, 2014 at 5:53 PM · Report this
sissoucat 31
Satanists will see their membership explode in not too long of a time, I guess. Good for them !
Posted by sissoucat on July 30, 2014 at 10:50 AM · Report this
Sandiai 32
@30. Thank you for that (the first link). I like, "Clothes: You're welcome."

As for Dunning-Kruger, SB could be a case study.
Posted by Sandiai on July 31, 2014 at 3:53 AM · Report this

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