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Thursday, June 12, 2014

Mormon Church Stops Pretending It Gives Two Shits

Posted by on Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 11:13 AM

NYT:

Two Mormons who have gained national attention for pushing their church to ordain women to the priesthood and to accept openly gay members have been notified this week that they face excommunication for apostasy. The two are Kate Kelly, a human rights lawyer who founded the Ordain Women movement, and John P. Dehlin, the creator of a popular online forum for Mormons and a doctoral candidate in psychology who has published his research into the problems faced by gay church members.... The move is a sudden change of course for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which had been working to project an image of greater diversity and openness. The church’s “I’m a Mormon” advertising campaign featured an ethnic rainbow of faces and some members who proudly identified as feminist, gay or liberal. And in the last year, the church has been trying to comfort members with doubts by posting essays on its website addressing delicate historical and theological issues, such as polygamy and why blacks were mostly excluded from the priesthood until 1978.

So... that "I'm a Mormon" campaign was bunch of bullshit designed to help get Mitt Romney elected president? You don't say. It seems to me that any Mormon who isn't being threatened with excommunication has some soul searching to do.

 

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I haven't heard anything about excommunicating gun nuts like Jared Michael Padget, the Mormon leader/Troutdale school shooter.
Posted by LML on June 12, 2014 at 11:19 AM · Report this
Call me Scott 2
"If you wish to strive for peace of soul and happiness, then believe; if you wish to be a disciple of truth, then inquire." Nietzsche.
Posted by Call me Scott on June 12, 2014 at 11:26 AM · Report this
fletc3her 3
I thought "I'm a Mormon" was just an attempt by the church not to scare potential Romney voters. Which was actually great because the church wasn't able to push their backward positions for a couple years.
Posted by fletc3her on June 12, 2014 at 11:31 AM · Report this
Looking For a Better Read 4
The "I'm a Mormon" campaign was designed specifically to make Mitt Romney appear more mainstream and to increase his chances for election. As soon as the election was over, that campaign ended. They had no intent or desire to improve their broader appeal - and why would they? The White Stallion was going to be in the White House.

And now that we've rejected their savior, they have no need or desire to hide their true values.
Posted by Looking For a Better Read on June 12, 2014 at 11:34 AM · Report this
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@4 the last time Mormons came by my house they still had those "i'm a mormon" cards. And I've still seen occasional bus ads.
Posted by The CHZA on June 12, 2014 at 12:04 PM · Report this
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Read "Leaving the Saints" by Martha Beck, an hilarious and very good read about leaving organized religion (one that is institutionally cruel to anyone not white and male). If you've ever felt alone in a struggle to find yourself, her book'll make you laugh and feel much better.
Posted by skyweaver on June 12, 2014 at 12:11 PM · Report this
emma's bee 7
--"I'm a Mormon" adult and yet I ride my bike on the sidewalk like a complete fucking idiot--

What I imagined going through their heads as I saw them in my neighborhood yesterday.
Posted by emma's bee on June 12, 2014 at 12:30 PM · Report this
venomlash 8
The last two or three times I've seen someone who I knew to be Mormon, I was at a Five Guys in Hyde Park and there was a group of young men and women with formal dress and nametags. Weird to see 20-year-olds labeled as "Elder".
Posted by venomlash on June 12, 2014 at 12:31 PM · Report this
Post_Mortem 9
It's one thing to talk about openness or to accept all sorts of smiling people willing to pose for your photoshoots, and something else entirely to allow for dissent or challenges to established order. Just ask the new Catholic Church's new Pope how he feels about nuns or gays who want to be priests.
Posted by Post_Mortem http://pointlessman.blogspot.com/ on June 12, 2014 at 12:33 PM · Report this
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Just wait until they (Mormon/LDS leaders) find out about the MormonBoyz gay porn out there.
Posted by marsmsu on June 12, 2014 at 1:05 PM · Report this
Max Solomon 11
Pretty sure this was a subplot on Big Love.
Posted by Max Solomon on June 12, 2014 at 2:10 PM · Report this
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The LDS Church is a cult and cults say anything to rope in new members for brain-washing. Mormon leaders will always have contempt for anyone who won't get yoked to the plow.
Posted by kwodell on June 12, 2014 at 2:17 PM · Report this
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"Say anything to brainwash new members" applies to every organized religion across the entire history of space and time.
Posted by unpaid reader on June 12, 2014 at 2:43 PM · Report this
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Unfortunately, there are only a few churches which are supportive of gay rights. Not surprised that the very conservative Mormon church is not evolving.
Posted by Patricia Kayden on June 12, 2014 at 3:32 PM · Report this
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@12 - it's not just the brainwashing to get new members. You should see how they treat existing members when something comes up like you are heard questioning an order from the church, or disagreeing with a revelation, or being as "faithful" as you should be (I.e. not always attending the ward, fulfilling outside duties, etc.). They make the church be such a big part of someone's life, that the possibility of being ostracized or excommunicated from the church (especially in a small town) impacts all aspects - social (very little outside of church members), employment (know some who were pressured to resign ther jobs), familial (some family members care more about the church than family), etc. The fear of that makes many of them toe the line carefully.
One friend ended up moving his family from the small town where they lived after his oldest son came out as gay and the family supported him and questioned church doctrine. They were shunned in town aside from the home visits they had from the bishop and other higher ups seeking to show them the error of their ways. Younger kids were harassed at school & not invited to birthday parties and such, his wife would go to the grocery store and people would refuse to talk to her or help her. Nasty shit they pull for a supposedly compassionate religion when you aren't a well-behaved sheeple.
Posted by StuckInUtah on June 12, 2014 at 4:53 PM · Report this
sperifera 17
So I'm guessing that women who show their shoulders will remain sluts then, huh?
Posted by sperifera on June 12, 2014 at 4:58 PM · Report this
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Dan, I like your work, but this is not your best work. First, can you even prove that the I'm a Mormon campaign was meant to help Romney win? I'll believe it if it's true, but I won't believe anything just because you say so.

Plus, as a mormon, I can say that the IAM campaign has done tons of good things for members of the church, especially liberals. It's made us feel like there are a lot more of us than we often see on Sunday. So it's not a bunch of BS to me.

Finally, to say that "if you're not being excommunicated then you have some soul searching to do" is too glib and a little offensive. I was part of the protests on BYU campus in the 90s when they fired teachers that were liberal. I personally told the President of BYU that he should step down when Dick Cheney was invited to speak there. I wrote church leaders and campaigned against Prop 8. I've been criticized and mocked in the church and I still work to make positive change. But I've never been threatened with excommunication. Thank you so much for helping me see that I'm just not doing enough soul searching.
Posted by Doug Rollins on June 12, 2014 at 5:25 PM · Report this
Knat 19
@18: All that work you're doing is very commendable, but since the leadership believes they're directly inspired by God, Jesus, and Joseph Smith, no amount of convincing is going to work until the coffers start to run dry. Then, just like Brigham "Mountain Meadows Massacre" Young and Joseph "Buried Treasure Scam" Smith, they'll have a "revelation" and come around.
Posted by Knat on June 12, 2014 at 8:02 PM · Report this
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Modesty, @17, modesty.
Posted by StuckInUtah on June 12, 2014 at 9:22 PM · Report this
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Now the Mormon church is going after her parents.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/580627…
Posted by StuckInUtah on June 12, 2014 at 9:23 PM · Report this
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There was one real benefit to the Romney campaign and the concomitant "I'm a Mormon" advertising program: It pacified the LDS church's support of NOM and allowed for that wonderful tidal wave of gay marriage laws to pass. Washington is one of them. The church was betting that Romney would get elected and roll everything back but he didn't so......
Posted by Why are there cars? on June 13, 2014 at 7:04 AM · Report this
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Hey - the Mo's are on a roll! Now they're banning the July 24th parade participants from bringing gay guests.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/580610…
This is after they already turned down the Mormons Building Bridges group from participating, and have made the life of the married and unmarried gays in Utah a living hell by preventing adoptions by gay couples, sending the Utah state gov't (including the 3rd corrupt A.G. in a row) on attack mode against those who were legally married, and generally showing their true (hateful) colors.
But don't forget, Mormons value children....they just don't want to pay to educate all of them.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/580621…
Posted by StuckInUtah on June 13, 2014 at 7:40 AM · Report this
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Recently missionaries showed up on my porch, I explained that I was already familiar with their beliefs, and whipped Discordian Pope cards out of my wallet, they had no idea what to do so they took them.
We Discordians worship the Great God of Chaos (Eris, who is a female God BTW), so it was basically a ticket to hell by their belief structure: they now have proof that they are Popes (as we all are) and I hope that it jump started their brains.
Posted by SifuMark on June 13, 2014 at 9:25 AM · Report this
BrotherBob 25
Dan, could you someday discuss venial sin?
Posted by BrotherBob on June 13, 2014 at 2:48 PM · Report this
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@24 - did they leave? Quickly? If so, I clearly need some of those. I dread the doorbell.....
Posted by StuckInUtah on June 13, 2014 at 6:11 PM · Report this
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I hereby excommunicate the Mormon church from my spiritual life.
Posted by Robby on June 15, 2014 at 11:44 AM · Report this

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