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Wednesday, June 11, 2014

President Obama on the Recent Shootings

Posted by on Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 6:00 AM

He was asked about them yesterday, and according to the White House Press Pool reports he said this. (It's worth reading in full.)

I have to say that people often ask me, you know, how’s it been being president and, you know, what are my—you know, what am I proudest of and what are my biggest disappointments? And you know, I've got 2 1/2 years left. My biggest frustration so far is the fact that this society has not been willing to take some basic steps to keep guns out of the hands of, you know, people who, you know, can do just unbelievable damage.

We're the only developed country on Earth where this happens. And it happens now once a week. And it's a one-day story. There's no place else like this.

A couple of decades ago Australia had a mass shooting similar to Columbine orNewtown, and Australia just said, “well, that's it. We're not doing, we're not seeing that again,” and basically imposed very severe, tough gun laws, and they haven't had a mass shooting since. I mean, our levels of gun violence are off the charts. There's no advanced, developed country on Earth that would put up with this.

Now, we have a different tradition. We have a Second Amendment. We have historically respected gun rights. I respect gun rights.

But the idea that, for example, we couldn't even get a background check bill in to make sure that if you're going to buy a weapon you have to actually go through a fairly rigorous process so that we know who you are, so you can't just walk up to a store and buy a semi-automatic weapon? It makes no sense.

And I don't know if anybody saw the brief press conference from the father of the young man who had been killed at Santa Barbara—and as a father myself I just, I could not understand the pain he must be going through and just the primal scream that he gave out. Why aren't we doing something about this? And I will tell you that I have been in Washington for a while now and most things don't surprise me. The fact that 20 six-year-olds were gunned down in the most violent fashion possible and this town couldn't do anything about it was stunning to me. And so the question then becomes, what can we do about it?

The only thing that's going to change is public opinion. If public opinion does not demand change in Congress, it will not change. I've initiated over 20 executive actions to try to tighten up some of the rules and the laws, but the bottomline is, is that we don't have enough tools right now to really make as big of a dent as we need to.

And most members of Congress — and I have to say to some degree this is bipartisan — are terrified of the NRA. The combination of, you know, the NRA and gun manufacturers are very well financed and have the capacity to move votes in local elections and congressional elections. And so if you're running for office right now, that's where you feel the heat. And people on the other side may be generally favorable towards things like background checks and other common-sense rules, but they're not as motivated, so that doesn't end up being the issue that a lot of you vote on.

And until that changes, until there is a fundamental shift in public opinion inwhich people say, ‘enough; this is not acceptable; this is not normal; this isn't, sort of, the price we should be paying for our freedom; that we can have respect for the Second Amendment, and responsible gun owners and sportsmen and hunters can have, you know, the ability to possess weapons, but that we are going to, you know, put some common-sense rules in place that make a dent, at least, in what's happening’ — until that is not just the majority view – ‘cause that's already the majority view, even the majority of gun owners believe that — but until that's a view that people feel passionately about and are willing to go after folks who don't, you know, vote reflecting those values — until that happens, sadly, not much is going to change.

Last thing I'll say: A lot of people will say that, you know, “Well, this is a mental health problem. You know, it's not a gun problem.” You know, the United States does not have a monopoly on crazy people. It's not the only country that has psychosis. And yet, we kill each other in these mass shootings at rates that are exponentially higher than any place else. Well, what's the difference? The difference is, is that these guys can stack up a bunch of ammunition in their houses. And that's sort of par for the course.

So the country has to do some soul-searching about this. This is becoming the norm. And we take it for granted in ways that, as a parent, are terrifying to me. And I am prepared to work with anybody, including responsible sportsmen and gun owners, to craft some solutions. But right now, it's not even possible to get even the mildest restrictions through Congress. And we should be ashamed of that.

Reminds me a bit of this.

 

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Fifty-Two-Eighty 1
I posted this in the other gun thread, but it's actually more applicable to this one.
http://reason.com/blog/2014/06/11/are-sc…
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on June 11, 2014 at 6:14 AM · Report this
Phoebe in Wallingford 2
When I click "Continue Reading" the remaining text appears for half a second but then disappears.
Posted by Phoebe in Wallingford on June 11, 2014 at 6:17 AM · Report this
Lew Siffer 3
Media fear is a very powerful tool, listen to the story:

http://kuow.org/post/criminologist-says-…

Posted by Lew Siffer on June 11, 2014 at 6:18 AM · Report this
mkyorai 4
@2 take your narcolepsy meds.
Posted by mkyorai on June 11, 2014 at 6:18 AM · Report this
mkyorai 5
Also, that was a great answer by Obama. Measured, careful, and eminently reasonable: he's channeling FDR's famous (if possibly apocryphal) "I agree with you. I want to do it, now make me do it.” back to the American people. And, of course, it'll make the ammo-sexuals completely nuts.
Posted by mkyorai on June 11, 2014 at 6:22 AM · Report this
Phoebe in Wallingford 6
But the last paragraph ("Reminds me a bit of this.") remains visible.
Posted by Phoebe in Wallingford on June 11, 2014 at 6:32 AM · Report this
Confluence 7
Dude gets it. That's my president. Notice, he didn't say he *agrees* with the 2nd amendment but that he 'respects' it. As in, he respects the law. I'm sure he's personally against it but to say so would alienate the gun nuts he needs the support of.

The rest of the world looks at us as a bunch of crazies for having these things in the hands of anybody and Obama bears the brunt of it. So does any American who lives outside the U.S. It's the first thing people question you about: "What's with all the guns? Do you people have a death wish or something?"

Funny that the gun nuts are against background checks. Probably because the gun nuts, being the nutjobs they are, have shady shit in their backgrounds that wouldn't allow them to pass such checks like a history of mental health issues, crime, etc. All the more reason to keep them out of their hands.
Posted by Confluence on June 11, 2014 at 6:50 AM · Report this
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This is from Wikipedia, but whatevs, maybe it'll inspire someone to replicate with a better dataset

Year Incidents Deaths
1990 1 1
1991 3 7
1992 2 6
1993 3 4
1994 3 4
1995 4 5
1996 4 9
1997 5 9
1998 6 12
1999 5 16
2000 4 4
2001 4 3
2002 3 4
2003 3 5
2004 3 1
2005 3 11
2006 7 10
2007 4 36
2008 9 15
2009 7 2
2010 8 7
2011 10 7
2012 14 43
2013 31 26
2014 31 19

Posted by Foonken2 on June 11, 2014 at 6:56 AM · Report this
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Usual Obama bs.

He's an attorney. Unlike many of you reacting irrationally in your media driven irrational fear, he has no excuse.

Obama knows, or should, that background checks have everything to do with government tracking who owns guns, and not a blind thing to do with stopping even one tragedy from occurring. How could they? Even the Colorado lawman you lefties would usually fearfully hate admits that only 200 gun purchases were turned down since his state began violating citizen rights. Simply put, bad guys aren't going to obey the law enough not to kill people. Believing that they will for background checks is delusional.

I've asked before, and do again. What proof have you anti 2nd Amendment folks that your proposed laws will accomplish a blind thing? You want other people to surrender their constitutional rights? Good. Show me a public good that justifies that disenfranchisement. Otherwise, shut up and move where you think gun laws make more sense.
Posted by Seattleblues on June 11, 2014 at 7:18 AM · Report this
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Oh, and using mass shootings as a basis of public policy is bad lawmaking.

These are extreme statistical outliers. The vast majority of gun deaths are through legally purchased weapons fired by previously stable people. The president of the part of America he likes (not my president, and not interested in representing the majority of Americans on this or mist issues) knows this, but he's fine using the deceitful scare tactic.

Whatever your president says, nothing about anything he discussed will stop a single gun death.
Posted by Seattleblues on June 11, 2014 at 7:24 AM · Report this
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And Antarctica is supposed to just melt all of the sudden and Jesus will be right back after these messages.
Posted by tabski on June 11, 2014 at 7:32 AM · Report this
Confluence 12
@9

Are you dumb? The rest of the civilized world looks at people like you as total freaks. What don't you understand about the fact that mass gun killings happen nowhere else in the civilized world but the U.S.? If that doesn't give you your proof, I don't know what will. You are the reason why the U.S. is mocked abroad. You are the cartoon character they hold up as proof that we're raving mad. Those of us from this country who are educated have trouble believing that people as comical as you actually exist. Until, that is, you rear your ugly heads and embarrass us all in front of the world. Where the fuck were you raised, in a shed in Appalachia?
Posted by Confluence on June 11, 2014 at 7:36 AM · Report this
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That argument that a proposed regulation won't prevent every gun death, so must not be implemented, is tired, tired tired.

There are more regulations than ever having to do with driving safety. Yet you can now buy more powerful vehicles than at any time. Regulation does not equal abandonment of the 2nd amendment.
Posted by ejamadoodle on June 11, 2014 at 7:39 AM · Report this
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@9 - Yes sir, I DO want people to surrender their constitutional rights, because my right to live is more important than your right to own a gun. This is something that people often don't realize about rights - they all come at a cost. Right to free speech comes at the cost of hearing things we find offensive. Right to trial by jury comes at the cost of jury duty. Right to bear arms comes at the cost of a great big pile of corpses, many of them children, hardly any of whom chose their lot.

Some rights are worth the cost. This one isn't. It's time for us to stand up and start a movement to repeal the Second Amendment.
Posted by Always east coaster on June 11, 2014 at 7:45 AM · Report this
fletc3her 15
Thank you, Mr. President.

What would be funny if not so sad and potentially dangerous is that gun nuts will read this and feel justified in stockpiling weapons against the forthcoming repeal of the 2nd Amendment rather than hearing the mild appeal for commonsense regulation it is.
Posted by fletc3her on June 11, 2014 at 7:51 AM · Report this
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I used to laugh at the tiny-"penis" syndrome but I can't see any other "rational" explanation for this fear of background checks.

Posted by caution&daring on June 11, 2014 at 7:52 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 17
@ 1, I see no reason to distunguish between any kind of public rampage. They're all terrifying whether only one victim dies or 30 do.

@9/10, that attitude is why you won't go to Heaven.
Posted by Matt from Denver on June 11, 2014 at 7:55 AM · Report this
sperifera 18
@10 - "not my president"

Just because you say it doesn't make it true. Obama IS your President (capitalize that word, cretin), whether you like it or not. If you're American (which you REEK of) that is. Suck it up, buttercup. 30 more months. Ha!
Posted by sperifera on June 11, 2014 at 7:56 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 19
@ 12, in a shed in Cascadia. No real cultural difference to speak of.
Posted by Matt from Denver on June 11, 2014 at 7:56 AM · Report this
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@9 You don't think easy access to deadly weapons makes it easier for bad people to do bad things? Come on.
Posted by Ken Mehlman on June 11, 2014 at 7:58 AM · Report this
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@14

Good. That rarest of birds- an honest lefty!

I mean, apart from the hysterical bs about piles of children's corpses, which I'll gracefully ignore.

But you know what? I agree. If you have the popular will to repeal the 2nd and think you ought to do so, have at it.

You don't have that will. The "sensible regulation" you champion has nowhere been demonstrated to work. But at least you're within spitting distance of open conversation on the topic, so kudos.
Posted by Seattleblues on June 11, 2014 at 7:58 AM · Report this
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@12

My mistake. I didn't realize we were obliged to legislate for the interests of Europe or wherever you think more civilized than us yokels.

Know how much I care about how other nations perceive us. Yep, not as much as that even.

In passing, do you kiss your mother with that mouth, kiddo?
Posted by Seattleblues on June 11, 2014 at 8:02 AM · Report this
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@20

Great. Now we're getting somewhere. So what do you think background checks (or the limits on ammo your president hints at) will do about the easy access you claim psychos have?

Posted by Seattleblues on June 11, 2014 at 8:04 AM · Report this
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@21 Every other modern nation has:

A. Far more restrictions on gun ownership that we do in the US.

and

B. A far lower murder rate than we do in the US.

You think this a coincidence?
Posted by Ken Mehlman on June 11, 2014 at 8:05 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 25
@ 22, you think your swearing ass can pass judgment on others? Another sin, another punch on your ticket to Hell.
Posted by Matt from Denver on June 11, 2014 at 8:05 AM · Report this
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@21

"Hysterical bs"? No sir, I'm stating facts. Thousands of people are killed by guns every year, many of them children, because the Founding Fathers had the lousy idea of writing the right to bear arms into the Bill of Rights. Affirming the right to bear arms made a certain level of sense in 1789 when we were a frontier nation that needed an armed citizenry to defend their homes against attack by Indians, rival powers, and wild animals, but in this age of a centralized, well-funded national defense and no frontier left to speak of, it makes no sense at all. Yet we are saddled with an extremely vocal minority of gun-lovers who apparently watch way too many action movies and don't care if other people's children die as long as they get to keep the one thing they have that makes them feel powerful. I find that outrageous.

No other democracy has a constitutionally-protected right to bear arms, yet plenty of them manage to avoid backsliding into tyranny nonetheless. We don't need the Second Amendment and we should throw it in the dustbin of history where it belongs. I'm under no illusions about the timetable here. Obviously the necessary public support won't materialize this decade, but who knows, if enough people agitate, hearts and minds can change, and maybe in 50 years we can make it happen.
Posted by Always east coaster on June 11, 2014 at 8:09 AM · Report this
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@19

Unlike you and your president, American isn't a "reek" to me but an honor.

Really, that's the core difference between lefties and decent citizens. We think the place, warts and all, is pretty damn great. You hate it entirely.

So here's an idea. Get out of MY country and move someplace you actually like. Or shut up. Either suits me, lefty.
Posted by Seattleblues on June 11, 2014 at 8:10 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 28
Funny how cons like SB are "pro-life" for zygotes but not for human beings. It's almost as if it's a red herring for Christianist denial of women's rights instead of concern for the well being of something that possesses no viable life of its own.
Posted by Matt from Denver on June 11, 2014 at 8:13 AM · Report this
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@24

I think it could be a coincidence. Stating facts side by side proves only that such facts exist. (Granting for the moment that you're stating demonstrable facts.). There's a lot more work involved before some link between them is credibly established.
Posted by Seattleblues on June 11, 2014 at 8:15 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 30
@ 27, LOL. Remember how I love all Americans and you don't? Sorry, but I'll keep fighting to make it great while you struggle to make it Somalia.
Posted by Matt from Denver on June 11, 2014 at 8:17 AM · Report this
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Not to change the subject, but - just a Reminder to everyone--

>>May 20 - Seattleblues commented on Federal Judge Strikes Down Oregon's Ban On Same-Sex Marriage. "Sexual orientations and gender identity don't exist."

sexual orientations. . . don't exist. _DON'T EXIST_

seattleblueballs (for all of its morality/decency blustering,) said that we should be able to have sex with whoever we want regardless of gender or sexual orientation. if seattleblueballs was attracted to a man he would have no problem having sex with said man (or woman, guy dressed as a woman, etc.)

seattleblueballs is either deeply confused or a not very well organised troll (oh, we all now which. . . )
Posted by perish on June 11, 2014 at 8:18 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 32
@ 29, funny that you DON'T use that standard when it comes to economics.
Posted by Matt from Denver on June 11, 2014 at 8:19 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 33
Oh, and @31 is worth reading.
Posted by Matt from Denver on June 11, 2014 at 8:20 AM · Report this
CBSeattle 34
Don't make the mistake of thinking these 2nd amendment people are stupid or uneducated. I know a few of them and they are some of the smartest people I know - and when I found out they held these apparently insane views I was even more scared. I could no longer dismiss them as idiots.

The ones I talked to are afraid of the government and with the recent Snowden revelations they feel they have been given sufficient evidence. Thinking they can take on the US Military with their stockpiles seems a little crazy, but they feel they need to provide a deterrent.

I've tried explaining that the only people who have toppled very powerful governments have done so through non-violence a la Ghandi, but that fell on deaf ears.

Don't think they are stupid. They are not. They are just angry and feeling helpless as the US changes around them and they feel increasingly marginalized.
Posted by CBSeattle http://www.yousaidit.com on June 11, 2014 at 8:26 AM · Report this
dnt trust me 35
Thanks Eli for saying "President Obama." I've heard of this Obama guy in the past, but didn't know what his title was. Thanks again for your thoroughness.
Posted by dnt trust me on June 11, 2014 at 8:27 AM · Report this
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@23 I think stricter licensing and registration requirements for handguns would make it harder for people like Matalepuna Malu (you can read more about him here: http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archive…) from getting their hands on them.

@29 According to the FBI firearms were used to commit more than two thirds of all the murders that occurred in the United States in 2012. You can read more about that here:

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cri…

It's not as though the availability of guns and the homicide rate are two completely unrelated phenomena.
Posted by Ken Mehlman on June 11, 2014 at 8:30 AM · Report this
lark 37
Good Morning,
I like the fact that SB & @6AEC are at least having a civil conversation.

For the record I, like Obama and every other rational soul right-or left-of-center is outraged at every mass shooting. I am also equally shocked and outraged at EVERY shooting drive-by or otherwise. I am deeply saddened at ANY violence perpetrated in this country but especially the magnitude. Three of Rodgers' victims were stabbed.

Yeah, I get it. America is a violent country with heaps of guns and ammunition. A dangerous combo. But, I still cling to the notion that we must talk, gun owners and anti-2nd amendment activists if we're going to get anywhere. My biggest issues regarding this are mental health, gun culture and violent culture. These need to be discussed candidly. Fearing or making an enemy of the NRA isn't going to cut it.

For the record, I'm not a member of the NRA, nor do I possess firearms. I do support background checks and some restrictions on assault weapons. I do have friends and family that do possess firearms. I didn't vote for Obama but he like Bush (was), is my president.
Posted by lark on June 11, 2014 at 8:41 AM · Report this
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@34 They may not be stupid in IQ terms, but they sure are ignorant.

Owning a gun isn't going to protect you from the government. The government has more and better weapons than you, is better trained and more knowledgeable in how to use them, and has a level of discipline and organization that no ragtag militia could ever hope to match. Also, are your friends not aware that cops are trained to immediately shoot anyone who pulls a gun on them? In any confrontation you may have with the government, having a gun makes you many, MANY times more likely to die for precisely that reason.

You want to make the politicians care about what you think? Use your vote. Ballots, not bullets, are what strike fear into the hearts of congressmen and presidents. Fear of dis-election makes them change their governing behavior. Fear of getting shot just makes them spend some of that big-donor campaign cash on a private security firm.
Posted by Always east coaster on June 11, 2014 at 8:44 AM · Report this
seatackled 39
@5

"Ammo-sexual" is a brilliant term.
Posted by seatackled on June 11, 2014 at 8:50 AM · Report this
Max Solomon 40
a few conservative supreme court justices called home by god/jesus/espiritu sanctu in the next 30 months would be more effective than a mass movement to tighten 2nd am. infringements.

I have specific justices in mind if you need tips, god/jesus/espiritu sanctu.
Posted by Max Solomon on June 11, 2014 at 9:16 AM · Report this
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Great response as expected from President Obama but this country is not ready as yet to enact sensible gun control legislation. That's why they keep putting Republicans in office.
Posted by Patricia Kayden on June 11, 2014 at 9:17 AM · Report this
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@9 Damn straight the government should track gun ownership. Your guns in particular Subhumanblues
Posted by Machiavelli was framed on June 11, 2014 at 10:14 AM · Report this
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I counted 13 "you know"s
Posted by JimmyCap on June 11, 2014 at 10:21 AM · Report this
TheMisanthrope 44
We're also the only developed country with a mandated dependence on corporate health insurance (thanks Obama), and also the only developed country with such a high disparity of wealth, and also the only developed country where the education costs are so damned high and put on the shoulders of the students.

There's a lot of "we're the only..."s that I don't see being addressed.
Posted by TheMisanthrope on June 11, 2014 at 11:25 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 45
What's your point, 44? You'd rather address those first?
Posted by Matt from Denver on June 11, 2014 at 11:37 AM · Report this
TCLballardwallymont 46
@12 "What don't you understand about the fact that mass gun killings happen nowhere else in the civilized world but the U.S.?"

"We're the only developed country on Earth where this happens." -Obama

Outright lie. Multiple victim shootings happen all over the world. Have you heard of a guy named Breivik? Gun crime happens all across the developed, civilized world, with the strongest correlation to gun crime being socio-economic indicators, not numbers of guns or gun control legislation.
Posted by TCLballardwallymont on June 11, 2014 at 12:41 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 47
@ 46, that's the exception that proves the rule. For every Brevik we can point to HUNDREDS of mass shootings that have happened in the USA.
Posted by Matt from Denver on June 11, 2014 at 1:24 PM · Report this
venomlash 48
@29: If we consider only the First World, that's n=25, and you've made absolute proclamations based on much weaker correlations. Your hypocrisy is like your epidermis in that both are constantly showing. (My apologies if you're a burn victim or something.)
Posted by venomlash on June 11, 2014 at 3:22 PM · Report this
meanie 49
@47 100s of shootings if you include the inner city ( Chicago accounts for the vast majority of statistical skewing gun crime ). dozens if you only screen for middle class schools.

Population of Norway 5 million | US population 317 million.

Our rate is actually exceptionally low when you consider number of guns, population and other factors ( income disparity, mental health etc ). Which is why nearly every pro gun control stat has to leverage suicide. The numbers aren't very impressive unless they are inflated %50.
Posted by meanie http://www.spicealley.net on June 11, 2014 at 3:46 PM · Report this
ilikefood 50
i, for one, wouldn't be the least bit upset if they repealed the 2nd amendment tomorrow. fuck guns, and fuck all the insecure assholes who feel like walking around their local grocery store with an AK slung over their shoulder makes them feel more patriotic. i have news for those fucktards- there is also something called the "Declaration of Independence", which entitles me to life, liberty, and the fucking pursuit of fucking happiness; none of which i'm able to do with a bullet in my brain. fuck you, gun nuts. move to texas and use each other for target practice.
Posted by ilikefood on June 11, 2014 at 3:57 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 51
Suicide counts. Many suicides are impulsive and guns do a great job of ensuring your attempt will be successful.

But we're only speaking of gun rampages a la Charles Whitman, James Holmes, and SPU. (The number if fatalities is irrelevant.) And we have had hundreds of them.
Posted by Matt from Denver on June 11, 2014 at 4:00 PM · Report this
TCLballardwallymont 52
"the "Declaration of Independence", which entitles me to life, liberty, and the fucking pursuit of fucking happiness"

O.o

o.O

Hahahahahhaaaahahaa!

Ummmm, yeah, about that American education system....
Posted by TCLballardwallymont on June 11, 2014 at 4:19 PM · Report this
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How many children have been gunned down in Mexico as a result of a policy that no one seems to be held accountable for? Why is this only an issue if it's American kids being killed? Seriously if you want "Gun nuts" to come around start holding those in power to the same standards as the rest of us. 3000 assault weapons turned loose on the streets of Mexico and not a single person has been held accountable.
Posted by The Artful Dogger on June 11, 2014 at 6:21 PM · Report this
meanie 54
@51 criminal background checks would prevent suicides how?

This is why objective people can't take gun control proponents seriously, your acknowledging %50 of the group intended to save have nothing to do with the proposed solution.

The remaining half, re: mass shootings, were committed by mentally disturbed individuals who obtained guns through legal channels and most likely would have passed the proposed background checks.
Posted by meanie http://www.spicealley.net on June 11, 2014 at 9:04 PM · Report this
TCLballardwallymont 55
@54

Background checks and gun control in general aren't about prevention or protection. They're just one more disingenuous attack on gun ownership, in the incrementalist attack on the civil right itself.
Posted by TCLballardwallymont on June 11, 2014 at 10:04 PM · Report this
ilikefood 56
the truly scary part of all of this is that we are barely 2 weeks removed from the UCSB shootings, and no one even mentions that case any more.

and oh, yea, @52- yes. fucking happiness. fuck guns. and fuck ANYONE who says that being anti-gun in anti-American.
Posted by ilikefood on June 11, 2014 at 10:59 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 57
@ 54, disingenuous arguments cost you gun nuts a lot more credibility.

WAITING PERIODS prevent SOME suicides AND some homicides.
Posted by Matt from Denver on June 12, 2014 at 9:49 AM · Report this
Lissa 58
Personally, as I’ve said previously, I see background checks as a way to protect the seller in a transaction. If I were to sell one of my guns I would be pleased to find out if a potential buyer turned out to be an unsuitable candidate to own a gun. I would be thrilled to have dodged that bullet, if you will, and not have to worry about turning on the news to find that a gun that I had owned had gone on to be used in a crime or suicide.

Because I have a conscience.
Posted by Lissa on June 12, 2014 at 9:54 AM · Report this
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The US is NOT the ONLY developed country in the world where this happens. Germany, Sweden, Canada...all developed countries, all have school shootings. Do we have MORE than all the other developed countries worldwide (possibly combined)? HELL YES.

The truth is bad enough- why lie about it?
Posted by twiggn on June 14, 2014 at 12:20 PM · Report this

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