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Saturday, June 7, 2014

The Saturday Morning News

Posted by on Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 8:29 AM

Man in 20s Killed in International District: Seattle police recovered over 30 bullet casings after gunfire erupted around 3 a.m., killing one and damaging several cars and one business.

Suspect in SPU Shooting: According to the Seattle Times, he worked at a gun range for eight years, despite struggling with alcoholism, reporting that he'd been diagnosed with psychosis and obsessive compulsive disorder, and winding up in the hospital several times.

Ybarra disclosed he was hospitalized twice in 2010 and 2011 after he heard Columbine killer Eric Harris’ voice in his head “telling him to hurt people,” court records show. He became afraid and sought help in the emergency room, a counselor’s report states.
His father "drank heavily" and attempted suicide last year, according to interviews and court records cited by the Seattle Times. More on the alleged shooter's mental state here.

Paul Lee, 19-Year-Old Freshman: Lee is the man who died from the shooter's bullets. He had loved dancing and had "an infectious positive attitude," friends say.

Crash Leaves Tracy Morgan In Critical Condition: The comedian is in intensive care after his limo apparently overturned.

This: "Soccer is worth saving. FIFA needs to take its ball and go home."

Obama to Back Elizabeth Warren's Student Loan Revamp: "Obama’s endorsement would be the latest recognition to date of the ascendance of Warren-style populism within the Democratic Party."

Lowering Carbon Emissions Does Not Destroy the Economy: Where have we heard that before? Anything and everything designed to make the world a better place will destroy the economy, business says. When it comes to transitioning to cleaner forms of energy, the NYT finds the opposite is true.

Lawyers for Kids Crossing Border: The Obama administration is seeking to hire 100 lawyers through AmeriCorps to represent the children.

Earlier this week President Barack Obama described the growing numbers of children as an "urgent humanitarian situation," and put the Federal Emergency Management Agency in charge of coordinating humanitarian relief for them, including housing, care, medical treatment, and transportation. The Obama administration estimates that about 60,000 "unaccompanied minors"—children under 18—will enter the United States illegally this year. It projects that number to grow to nearly 130,000 next year.

As recently as 2011, the number was only some 6,000.

Breitbart News says it's obtained photos leaked from a crowded border facility where many of these children are held. The photos are disturbing.

Municipal Broadband NOW: Chattanooga's "Gig" service is a runaway success story.

 

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Funny, we were told just yesterday by some dipshitted Slog regular that we spend more than enough money on mental health services in this country. Boy, is his face going to be red if he could figure out what the second bullet point down means.
Posted by treehugger on June 7, 2014 at 8:59 AM · Report this
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Furthering the stigma already experienced by people with cognitive differences and/or emotional difficulties is irresponsible and counterproductive. If I'm depressed, I want to be able to reach out to someone without them automatically assuming I'll be a mass-murderer and taking away my rights "for the good of humanity". There are lots of people with mental illnesses, some of whom own guns, and the vast majority of them will never shoot anyone.

I'm pointing this out not because Guns! Second Amendment! but because when I was in emotional pain, I was most likely to lash out if people treated me like a dangerous threat. Compassion, not fear and punishment, is what brought me out of it.

Treating people like monsters only makes more monsters.
Posted by Not a Monster on June 7, 2014 at 9:18 AM · Report this
fletc3her 3
Dennis Marx attempted an assault on a courthouse in Georgia. Given that he has a constitutional right to wear a gas mask, carry grenades, assault rifles, etc., should he have been allowed to enter the courthouse unmolested? The cop who confronted him really instigated the firefight that ended Marx' life. Death of a patriot?
Posted by fletc3her on June 7, 2014 at 9:33 AM · Report this
JonnoN 4
@1 and yet someone with such a long mental illness history had no problem purchasing weapons, and even worked at a range. Both sides of this equation need to be addressed.
Posted by JonnoN http://www.backnine.org/ on June 7, 2014 at 9:42 AM · Report this
Fnarf 5
@1, I didn't say we spend "more than enough". I said we spend a lot -- $200 billion a year -- and that the people who say "well, if we would just do something about mental illness this wouldn't happen, herp derp, it's certainly nothing to do with guns" are full of shit.

Mental illness is difficult to treat. Maybe impossible. This guy, a typical gun enthusiast, WAS getting mental health treatment for most of his life. Should he have been locked up? If you locked up everyone who ever struggled with mental illness in this country, you'd have more than half of the population behind bars.

And the carnage would continue regardless, because most of the killing isn't done by the mentally ill at all.

Saying "well, we just gotta do something about mental illness" is just another way of saying "we must not do anything about mass shootings ever, no no no let's not even talk about it". It's the battle cry of the hopeless moron. Raise your hand, shithead, I'm talking about you.

The real message of Bullet Point Number Two, which is actually Bullet Point Number Forty Thousand, is "easy access to unlimited guns is destroying this country".
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on June 7, 2014 at 9:49 AM · Report this
Fnarf 6
@4, the mental health side of the equation IS being addressed. $200 billion a year is not chump change. Is it enough? Is it working? Maybe not, but people who keep saying "we have to do something about mental illness" are ignoring the fact that we ARE doing a great deal about mental illness already.

Controlling access to guns, on the other hand? We're doing nothing at all, and the trend is moving away from sensible gun laws, not towards them.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on June 7, 2014 at 9:52 AM · Report this
NotSean 7
@5 'Destroying the country'...

I suppose it depends on what we think the country should be.

This much is clear: Easy access to unlimited guns is OBLITERATING its citizens.

Posted by NotSean on June 7, 2014 at 10:09 AM · Report this
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Now that President Obama has come out in support of Sen. Warren's student loan revamp, we can expect it to die a miserable, lingering death in Congress. The best way to ensure that absolutely nothing will be done to implement a program these days, thanks to the regressive, obstructionist Republicans, is for Obama to give it even tacit much less explicit approval. {Reminder to everyone reading this: Do not skip voting in the fall elections -- the House and one-third of the Senate are on the ballot.}
Posted by Calpete on June 7, 2014 at 10:10 AM · Report this
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Apparently, quite a few of us are BESET BY DEMONS.

Are we spending enough on exorcism?
Posted by RonK, Seattle on June 7, 2014 at 10:25 AM · Report this
Tingleyfeeln 10
I don't think spending more money on mental health care is the solution in and of itself. We need to spend the money better. We also need a cultural change. Those who work most directly with the mentally ill need to be paid and trained better, and there needs to be more of them. Those people need to be more compassionate, which would hopefully come from the first solutions I mentioned.
We also need to take a critical look at our larger society. Overall violent crime isn't that high, but we are seeing (or at least hearing more about) spree killings. I suspect that our increasingly stratified society is a significant factor.
We also have a cultural history of abusing those with mental disabilities. Except for extreme cases, we need to dispense with the "hide them away and forget about them" mentality towards the mentally ill, which, along with the shitty pay and conditions faced by the frontline mental health workers, contributes to the above mentioned compassion issues.
The access to guns is an issue that cannot be ignored, but we need to figure out why we here in America are so fucking crazy.
Finally, with all the spree killings, mostly with guns, we need to look at all the killers and ask some deep questions about what they have in common. Something I initially dismissed as loony tune conspiracy shit that has been eating at me is an allegation that almost all of these killers have been prescribed the same drugs for their mental illnesses. If this is true, then we cannot leave corporate lobbying of politicians and the FDA out of the equation.
There seems to be many factors in this situation. We can't kick up our heels say the work is done when same gun regulation passes.
Posted by Tingleyfeeln on June 7, 2014 at 10:31 AM · Report this
disintegrator 11
Steve Scher quit KUOW, according to his Facebook page.
Posted by disintegrator on June 7, 2014 at 10:51 AM · Report this
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@11, I thought he seemed awfully giddy yesterday during the news panel. Maybe Eli has some inside information for us?
Posted by Escapee from S. Idaho on June 7, 2014 at 10:55 AM · Report this
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even if you started confiscating all of the guns in the United States of America today, by the time your able to put a dent in the problem advanced 3-D printers will be going for 50 bucks at walmart. Maybe we should just start identifying unattractive or depressive men at birth and snuffing them out. A massive, global decentralization would incite populations to retract back into healthy, self-sustaining communities again. We should start with ourselves and set an example; break the United States into 5 or 6 independent bioregions. Of course the easiest, fastest and most moral thing to do would be to outlaw monogamy [one law is all you need].

The Love Fuhrer
Posted by carsten coolage on June 7, 2014 at 11:02 AM · Report this
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The father of the shooter should be charged along side him.
Posted by robot ghost on June 7, 2014 at 11:07 AM · Report this
raindrop 15
@14: With what, conspiracy? That was tasteless. The Ybarra family is devastated by this as well.
Posted by raindrop on June 7, 2014 at 11:20 AM · Report this
Fnarf 16
@15, for once we agree. Everyone loses in situation like this.

I would go further and say that the American mania for punishment is fueling the gun crisis, not abating it.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on June 7, 2014 at 11:54 AM · Report this
Tingleyfeeln 17
Fnarf, "the American mania for punishment"! That's the kind of root cause of this problem thinking I'm talking about.
Now if we could figure out a crowd chant that articulates a broad set of policy changes that need to occur nearly simultaneousl our politicians might get the guidance they need to lead us on a better path.
Posted by Tingleyfeeln on June 7, 2014 at 12:26 PM · Report this
dnt trust me 18
@17
It's not going to be figured out on Slog. The same arguments have been going in circles for years here. At least it gives bored people something to do.
Posted by dnt trust me on June 7, 2014 at 12:48 PM · Report this
keshmeshi 19
@10,

A sick society creates sick people.
Posted by keshmeshi on June 7, 2014 at 1:46 PM · Report this
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Apparently our militia needs more regulating?
Posted by tiktok on June 7, 2014 at 2:05 PM · Report this
seatackled 21
Are we spending enough on exorcism?

Get a successful Jindal presidential campaign going and we will.
Posted by seatackled on June 7, 2014 at 10:52 PM · Report this
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@2, depression is not what these killers are suffering from. No one's stigmatizing depression, and in fact no one with any sense is stigmatizing mental illness per se. But people who are suffering from psychosis tend to be a hell of a lot more dangerous than people with depression; there is a difference among mental illnesses diagnoses. This (latest) guy had had numerous episodes of psychosis, with hospitalizations. And yet he had a rifle.

I wish people would stop blaming it either on guns or on mental illness per se. It's CERTAIN psychiatric diagnoses WITH guns. We need to limit guns, and we need to loosen the involuntary commitment laws so people like this guy are forced to get help. Yes, FORCED.

Now please don't continue the rant about depression. No one is -- I'm certainly not -- proposing making it easier for depressed people to be institutionalized. But dangerous people, yes. And tragically enough, at the moments this guy temporarily came out of his psychotic state, this guy knew he was dangerous.
Posted by sarah70 on June 7, 2014 at 11:16 PM · Report this
Canadian Nurse 23
@22: there's actually a lot of questions in the literature about what diagnosis correlates most strongly with mass shootings. Schizophrenia, mood disorders (particularly bipolar disorder & depressive psychosis) and autism are all implicated. Obviously, not everyone with depression has either manic or psychotic episodes, but it isn't accurate, at this point, to say that no depressed people would require involuntary commitment to reduce mass shootings.

I'm writing this as someone who's struggled with depression much of my adult life & even had a brief but scary experience of depressive psychosis. I don't want more stigma than needed for my diagnosis, but in the end my primary commitment is still towards accurate understanding of the science and basing public policy on research, rather than my fee-fees.
Posted by Canadian Nurse on June 7, 2014 at 11:37 PM · Report this

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