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Tuesday, April 1, 2014

Remove Your Studded Tires, People

Posted by on Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 8:08 AM

We got an e-mail from a Stranger reader that's intended for everyone who uses studded tires:

OK, all you studded tire idiots. April 1st is the deadline to get those noisy worthless studs off the family wagon. They didn't help you at all this year, did they? They ground up a bunch of pavement on I-5 and all the other state highways that will need re-paving way before their time because of your paranoid belief that your studded tires provided some insurance against sliding off the road. Studded tires are a waste of money and the idiots that use them should pay a user tax for the damage that they do to the roadways. The State Patrol has done extensive tests and concluded that studded tires INCREASE the stopping distance on wet pavement which is 99% of the time in the Seattle area. Tax the shit out of studded tire users. They are not smart people.

Listen to our friend and remove your studded tires as soon as possible, please. And maybe think twice before putting them on again next year, okay?


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They are also incredibly wasteful as the tires are replaced when the studs wear out but there is still years of tread life left on the tire. I've been using my Michelin X-Ice stud less tires since 2005, taking them off after 4 months and rotating them. They've got me through every Spokane winter.
Posted by MarkH on April 1, 2014 at 8:22 AM · Report this
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn 2
(Kinksters: don't worry, your car needs studs. Haters gonna hate.)
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn on April 1, 2014 at 8:27 AM · Report this
Why is it so easy to imagine that many of the people who use studded tires would stop if the name were changed to something that didn't include "stud" in it?

Maybe we need a Legally Binding Slog Poll: What should be the new name for "Studded Tires?"
Posted by SuperSteve on April 1, 2014 at 8:33 AM · Report this
Reverse Polarity 4
@3, how about "clueless moron tires"?
Posted by Reverse Polarity on April 1, 2014 at 8:46 AM · Report this
Amalink 5
are they the same people that think that 4-wheel drive means 4-wheel stop?
Posted by Amalink on April 1, 2014 at 8:49 AM · Report this
@3 calling them Homosexual Agenda Action Grip Tires will undoubtably decrease their appeal east of the mountains, but a corresponding increase in use in King County would probably nullify the benefits.
Posted by Pol Pot on April 1, 2014 at 9:05 AM · Report this
Urgutha Forka 7
I doubt the people who use studded tires read The Stranger.
Posted by Urgutha Forka on April 1, 2014 at 9:06 AM · Report this
fletc3her 9
Studs are useful if you have to drive in the snow. Unfortunately, you know, weather.
Posted by fletc3her on April 1, 2014 at 9:41 AM · Report this
All season tires are more effective than studs in all conditions, actually. This wasn't always the case but in this modern age of scientific wonder it is true.

Keep the studs in the garage next year!
Posted by wasd on April 1, 2014 at 9:53 AM · Report this
Studies have shown that studs are only beneficial on compact ice. Most of the traction is coming from the tire tread itself. But not like you think. The tire doesn't grip the road like a claw, the soft compound allows the snow to pack into the tire tread and it's this snow on snow contact that provides the grip. The WSP quit using studs on their mostly RWD fleet over 10 years ago. People use the "I feel safer with studs" argument but ignore the research that has proven that studded tires increase your stopping distance on dry or wet roads. I agree that there should be a hefty user fee on studs and a gradual faze out, starting with a ban on studs on all wheel drive vehicles.
Posted by MarkH on April 1, 2014 at 10:01 AM · Report this
So based on @10 and @11, I'm going to continue with the "stupid hillbilly" theory.
Posted by tiktok on April 1, 2014 at 10:03 AM · Report this
originalcinner 13
Wouldn't calling them "stupid hillbilly tires" make them less attractive in both eastern WA and urban Seattle?
Posted by originalcinner on April 1, 2014 at 10:09 AM · Report this
@7: This one does.
Posted by Eric from Boulder on April 1, 2014 at 10:35 AM · Report this
I vote for "stupid hillbilly tires".

Studded tires are illegal in Massachusetts where they get a lot more ice and snow than we do. Just saying.
Posted by tshicks on April 1, 2014 at 10:37 AM · Report this
@10 is right. It wasn't the case in the past. If you use studded tires you are simply applying obsolete technology. Snow tires got much better when Japan banned studded tires. Suddenly tire manufacturers had to improve their regular snow tires and they did. Get with the times and use regular (non-studded) snow tires.
Posted by Ross on April 1, 2014 at 10:38 AM · Report this
Urgutha Forka 17
Fair enough, although it's still not going to impact Seattle.
Posted by Urgutha Forka on April 1, 2014 at 10:47 AM · Report this
originalcinner 19
If red state Repub politicians can spend so much time thinking up laws about how doctors should mansplain having babies to pregnant women, why can't they have tire dealers say, "You do know these things trash up the roads, don't you?" to every customer who asks for stupid hillbilly tires.
Posted by originalcinner on April 1, 2014 at 11:11 AM · Report this
A-MEN! Couldn't agree more.
Posted by Justin on April 1, 2014 at 11:29 AM · Report this
@15 they salt the hell out of the roads back East, unlike Washington State.
Posted by WestSeven on April 1, 2014 at 11:55 AM · Report this
We need to ban them already.

Studs are old, obsolete technology that cause more problems than they solve. WSDOT doesn't even use them on plows or mountain -bound maintenance trucks, preferring studless snow tires with modern rubber compounds designed for snow and ice.

A modern studless snow tire is almost always superior to a studded one, and in the only conditions where studs provide a (marginal) benefit, you should really be chained up.

And yes, the Michelin X-ice another commentor mentioned is one of the best.
Posted by Lack Thereof on April 1, 2014 at 12:00 PM · Report this
Will in Seattle 23
@10 is correct
Posted by Will in Seattle on April 1, 2014 at 1:18 PM · Report this
Studded tires perform far, far worse in rainy condition than all season tires. Now what was our winter like again? I like the idea of an idiot tax on studded tires., kind of like our cigarette taxes.
Posted by ProstSeattle on April 1, 2014 at 1:24 PM · Report this
derrickito 25
im going to leave my studs on my diesel f250 for a few more weeks just to piss you people off. i find they make me much happier on my 8 block work commute
Posted by derrickito on April 1, 2014 at 1:36 PM · Report this
delirian 26
X-Ice or Blizzaks will get you through almost anything. I've driven through several officially classified blizzards in Blizzaks. They are great tires on glare ice as well (and contrary to the opinion of many, you can safely drive on glare ice, you just have to have winter tires).

Anyways, if you have any type of winter tire, you should be taking them off right now. They get mushy at higher temps (switching back to all-season tires makes it feel like you are driving on ball bearings for a few days) and burn up fast.
Posted by delirian on April 1, 2014 at 3:04 PM · Report this
I live on a steep paved road in the mountains that is many times a year covered in ice. Black, slippery ice. Studded tires are the difference between life and death. Take your totalitarian right wing ideas and stick them up your ass.
Posted by banji on April 1, 2014 at 5:42 PM · Report this
I would call studded tire users as" paranoid republican voting, anal retentive racist neanderthal homophobics." I think I covered all the bases, didn't I? Studs are worthless on cars and trucks in the Northwest. Don't let the crewcut guys at Schwab's tell you otherwise.
Posted by longwayhome on April 1, 2014 at 8:55 PM · Report this
@27 Life and death........ Drama queen!
Posted by longwayhome on April 1, 2014 at 8:57 PM · Report this
sissoucat 30
Studded tires are banned in France, as far as I know. Snow tires and chains are allowed, and at some times, on certains roads, chains are compulsory. And they're cheap.

Are chains available in your place, banji ? As it also reduces speed, wouldn't chains be even more helpful in your "life and death" conditions ?
Posted by sissoucat on April 2, 2014 at 12:48 AM · Report this
sheiler 31
I also live on a steep hill in the mountains in Quebec province. Think of an 8 in terms of steep-i-tude on a treadmill. That's the hill I live on (actually there are 2 of them to get to my maison). As for snow, it snowed a foot a couple days ago in probably 5 hours. Which is typical.

Michelin X-ice does the trick. Also I've never seen studded tires for sale anywhere in the province so I'm guessing that socialist Quebec bans them. Also fyi if anyone tries to sell you Hankook tires, run away.
Posted by sheiler on April 2, 2014 at 4:57 AM · Report this
You know, some people actually live in the foothills where regular road driving on a typical day takes us through multiple extreme elevation changes going back from snow to dry pavement and so on several times... Not exactly feasible to chain up. And many people don't put them on until they're needed and then take them off early, too. But let's never let that stop advocacy for one-size-fits-all legislation that ignores rural people. Because we're clearly all Freedom County lolbertarian nutcases in SUVs and not at all possibly poor queer people who happened to be born and raised rural and want to get to work on time in a front wheel drive subcompact that would be totally screwed in the snow without studs.
Posted by fjordgirl on April 2, 2014 at 8:55 PM · Report this
@32: Please to read previous comments about how snow tires work better than studded tires.
Posted by clashfan on April 3, 2014 at 2:43 PM · Report this
@2 Your comment is a stupid as your handle.
Posted by longwayhome on April 3, 2014 at 8:27 PM · Report this

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