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Monday, March 31, 2014

What's Wrong With This Chart?

Posted by on Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 7:33 PM

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Posted by Andrew_Taylor on March 31, 2014 at 7:39 PM · Report this
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My eleven year old could tell something was wrong with this chart.
Posted by jnonymous on March 31, 2014 at 7:53 PM · Report this
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I don't mean that rhetorically ... she just looked at it and said
"Whaaaat?"
Posted by jnonymous on March 31, 2014 at 8:13 PM · Report this
Max Solomon 4
there's like 5 million people cropped off the bottom?
Posted by Max Solomon on March 31, 2014 at 8:31 PM · Report this
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Where did you find my pinups size relative to average??? This is the graph that shows both how I feel it is, and how it actually is.
Posted by Hanoumatoi on March 31, 2014 at 8:34 PM · Report this
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That was supposed to say "penis" not "pinups".
Posted by Hanoumatoi on March 31, 2014 at 8:34 PM · Report this
Foghorn Leghorn 7
Needs more fire, and devil horns.
Posted by Foghorn Leghorn on March 31, 2014 at 9:53 PM · Report this
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My first thought was a "significant digits" error.
Posted by sigdig on April 1, 2014 at 2:21 AM · Report this
saxfanatic 9
Now that you have seen it, keep an eye out for similar examples because abuse of graphs - just like abuse of numbers or reason itself, I suppose - is far more common than you might realize.
Posted by saxfanatic on April 1, 2014 at 4:59 AM · Report this
seandr 10
Yup, one of the oldest tricks in the book.
Posted by seandr on April 1, 2014 at 7:47 AM · Report this
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Looks like a chart Goldy would publish.
Posted by cliche on April 1, 2014 at 10:37 AM · Report this
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But since only about 2/3rd's of them are actually paying premiums and ¾ of those were ones who got kicked off another plan due to Obamacare. That means something like 1 million formerly uninsured people are actually now covered.

That's truly fucked up for the billions of dollars it's costing.
Posted by delbert on April 1, 2014 at 10:48 AM · Report this
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Can anyone answer my Obamacare questions?

#1: What is the average unsubsidized monthly payment for Obamacare?

#2: What is the average subsidized monthly payment for Obamacare?

#3: How is income calculated for the subsidy?

For example, suppose a person is laid off, or quits his job to start a business, and wants Obamacare with a subsidy rather than paying COBRA.

Is his income calculated projecting from his current situation? Or from some past time period, like the previous 12 months, or the previous amount reported on his income taxes?

Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://_ on April 1, 2014 at 10:50 AM · Report this
SLL 14
Using their own lines which seem to represent 200,000 each, the actual chart should look just about like this: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4250…
Posted by SLL on April 1, 2014 at 10:56 AM · Report this
Fnarf 15
6 mil is one-third of 7 mil, obviously.

@12, nobody's been kicked off of anything. The insurance companies jacked up the prices of lots of existing plans, hoping to ensnare dummies who have been scared away from the exchanges, but at the same time they've put up virtually identical plans with a new name at lower cost, often a dramatically lower cost, on the exchanges, because they have to compete there.

Everything the right is saying about Obamacare is a flat-out lie.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on April 1, 2014 at 11:22 AM · Report this
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FOXtards only look at the pictures because numbers confuse them and math is hard.

@13, there is no Obamacare. There are guidelines for private companies to follow in exchange for being provided an expanded market due to people being required to buy health insurance. That is the Affordable Care Act.

Republicans lie about everything. It's in their Party platform. Thou shalt not be truthful when a lie works better.
Posted by kwodell on April 1, 2014 at 11:37 AM · Report this
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@13: Those are stupid questions because both the mean and median will be irrelevant to the actual questions: How much CAN you get health insurance for? Some people are going to pay higher premiums for better coverage. Other people are going to pay lower premiums because they are healthy and not worried. Others will shop for the best coverage for them, and their premiums will vary wildly.

TL;DR? JBITDMFOTP
Posted by Hanoumatoi on April 1, 2014 at 11:58 AM · Report this
sissoucat 18
@8

I. love. you.

@Dan

Nothing's actually wrong with this chart.

Chart reading 101 states that where there's no vertical axis labelling, respective heights of blocks are to be taken as meaningless. Then those heights should be checked for proportionality, the lack of which can be interpreted as either an attempt to manipulate illiterates in general news, or as a way to focus on small changes in specialized news. Have you ever seen a Dow Jones graph with a 0 offset ? I haven't. And here, nowhere is a 0 offset written on this graph.

By the way, is chart reading 101 taught in red states schools ? Just asking.
Posted by sissoucat on April 1, 2014 at 1:07 PM · Report this
venomlash 19
@18: Truncated graphs are bad enough, but we're also dealing with people who DON'T LABEL THEIR GODDAMN AXES.
FUCK
SAKE
Posted by venomlash on April 1, 2014 at 3:19 PM · Report this
sissoucat 20
@19 Yep.
Posted by sissoucat on April 2, 2014 at 12:37 AM · Report this

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