Slog Music

Music, Nightlife,
and Drunks

Monday, March 31, 2014

Putin Wants Ukraine, the Baltic States, and... Finland?

Posted by on Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 11:31 AM


Russian President Vladimir Putin has his eyes on eventually reclaiming Finland and the Baltic states of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia, according to Putin’s former top economic adviser, Andrey Illarionov. Illarionov’s warning was reported in an interview with the Swedish paper SvD Nyheter (Svenska Dagbladet), which my Swedish political friends tell me is one of the most reputable papers in Sweden.... The Baltic countries were annexed by the USSR in the early 1940s, while Finland was basically neutered by the Soviets. If you look at the map [above], it’s clear what Putin is doing. He wants to create a buffer between Russia and Europe.

Putin needs that buffer to protect Russians from... Europe's peace, prosperity, freedom, and non-terrorized queers.


Comments (24) RSS

Oldest First Unregistered On Registered On Add a comment
seatackled 1
Well, queers in Europe aren't that non-terrorized.

A quarter of gay people say they have been attacked or threatened with violence during the past five years, according to major new poll of all European Union countries, plus Croatia. The figure for transgender people – 35 per cent – is even higher. - See more at:…

Putin's reacts to US influence near Russia's borders the way Pete King reacts to Muslims being in the US.
Posted by seatackled on March 31, 2014 at 11:44 AM · Report this
Putin's actions have significantly strengthened Germany's arguments for the European Union to form its own robust military.

The Baltic states are Germany's manufacturing and industrial states. Any threat to the Baltics is a clear threat to the German economy and by default/design the European economy.
Posted by I blame FUN. on March 31, 2014 at 11:57 AM · Report this
"Putin needs that buffer to protect Russians from... Europe's peace, prosperity, freedom, and non-terrorized queers."

You spelled austerity wrong.

Hey, now that Russia is totes capitalist, at least it will be harder for our own newcons to pull a McCarthy in the coming Cold War II.
Posted by Clash of the Oligarchs on March 31, 2014 at 12:07 PM · Report this
collectivism_sucks 4
Putin has plans for taking over the Baltic States and Finland about as much as Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.
Posted by collectivism_sucks on March 31, 2014 at 12:16 PM · Report this
Catalina Vel-DuRay 5
How old is Putin? Couldn't we arrange for some sort of accident?
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay on March 31, 2014 at 12:25 PM · Report this
A wonderful book about that part of Eastern Europe ist Anne Applebaum's "Between East and West".…
Posted by migrationist on March 31, 2014 at 12:26 PM · Report this
MacCrocodile 7
@5 - If the accident could also make his propaganda look bad, that'd be cool, too. Some kind of horse riding accident, where the lesson is that if he had been wearing a shirt, he'd have been fine.
Posted by MacCrocodile on March 31, 2014 at 12:47 PM · Report this
@7: There's a tradition of despotic Russian leaders being posthumously discredited by accusations of horsing around.
Posted by Eric from Boulder on March 31, 2014 at 1:05 PM · Report this
Max Solomon 9
he won't be reclaiming Finland. that's a recipe for an actual war.
Posted by Max Solomon on March 31, 2014 at 1:05 PM · Report this
Dr. Z 10
Finland has been independent of Russia since 1920. That seems a bit of a reach. But certainly Belarus had better watch its step, it's next after Ukraine (and the Central Asian republics.)

Putin is using homophobia as a wedge to drive these places away from the EU and US. (I know you're shocked, shocked that anyone would deliberately stir up homophobia for political or monetary gain....)
Posted by Dr. Z on March 31, 2014 at 1:25 PM · Report this
venomlash 11
Russia invading Finland? We need another Simo Häyhä.

@7: He falls off the horse, gets nasty scrapes all over his bare chest, scrapes become infected, he ends up septic and in a coma for four months. Protect your epidermis!

@4: ...we gave him some, but they went bad ten years ago?
Posted by venomlash on March 31, 2014 at 1:46 PM · Report this
Phoebe in Wallingford 12
@5: I wouldn't doubt that arrangements are being made as we speak.
Posted by Phoebe in Wallingford on March 31, 2014 at 2:19 PM · Report this
Fnarf 13
I'm not a fan of Mr. Putin, but if he took Belarus, that country would get more free, not less. What a shithole.
Posted by Fnarf on March 31, 2014 at 2:20 PM · Report this
8Way 14
@7: no, some kind of Ritz riding accident.…
Posted by 8Way on March 31, 2014 at 2:40 PM · Report this
Dr. Z 15
@13: no doubt! And a lot of people will have a similar reaction, which Putin will take full advantage of. Most of the former Soviet republics in central Asia are autocratic shitholes too, and Putin will play the card there as well.

But China is growing nervous about Putin, and they weren't amused by his hastily-arranged Crimea plebicite. There are too many restive ethnic populations within China for their leadership to be comfortable with secession plays like the one Putin engineered. If there's one thing the Chinese consistently have opposed in their foreign policy, it's secessionist movements (e.g. Taiwan.)
Posted by Dr. Z on March 31, 2014 at 2:45 PM · Report this
For the record I am liberal. However, the predominant discourse on Putin is on the same intellectual level as that which takes place on Fox News re Obama. How disappointing to realize that everyday liberals are no better or cleverer than the average Republican. They just drink the kool aid from a different bowl. Really!?! Innocent western Europe, Russia invading Finland, Belarus must be bad because that's what we are told. Get grip people and grab dose of healthy cynicism while you're at it.
Posted by zzzaaa on March 31, 2014 at 3:41 PM · Report this
Putin wants Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia so that he has year-round access to the Baltic, and to rescue Kaliningrad from its puny isolation. Finland would be collateral -- as much of a megalomaniac as he is, I doubt he's interested in the international fallout attendant on trying to re-attach Finland to a newly re-formed soviet union.
Posted by Calpete on March 31, 2014 at 3:54 PM · Report this
Bonefish 18
Just another Cold War dipshit trying to re-live his glory days.
Posted by Bonefish on March 31, 2014 at 4:45 PM · Report this
You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me 19
Does "cleverer" mean the same thing as "more clever"?
Posted by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me on March 31, 2014 at 5:13 PM · Report this
brocaine 20
@11: OH MY GOD you know who Simo Häyhä is - I only know because I share a birthday with him. Such a fucking badass.
Posted by brocaine on March 31, 2014 at 5:34 PM · Report this
pdonahue 21
Oh Dan, I thought you swore off talking about things you don't know about, (cunnilingus, geopolitics) and stick to things you do know about, (asexuality, cock-rings). Has something changed?…
Posted by pdonahue on April 1, 2014 at 7:06 AM · Report this
Create a buffer zone? That makes even less sense than any other theory on the subject.

If you want to use someone as a meat shield, why wouldn't you just do it for free, instead of paying for it?
Posted by gromm on April 1, 2014 at 12:48 PM · Report this
sissoucat 23
@21 I agree.

Dan, this post is just sooo stupid.

Face it, when a Putin-loving Crimea was handed to Putin on a plate by the foolish new government of Ukraine, he would have been indeed a fool not to take it.

That does not mean he'll want to include any troublemakers inside his currently very peaceful and unprotesting under his rule Russia. And there would be troublemakers aplenty, if he were to make Russian any of the countries you suggest.

When did Crimeans suddenly want to secede from Ukraine ? Right after the mother language of most Crimeans, Russian, was demoted from being an official language of Ukraine, by the new government, those idiots ! Of course the Crimeans could not take that lying low, could they ? Imagine if Washington State removed English from the official languages and imposed the use of Spanish, how many Americans would want their state to secede to Canada rather than keep living in a suddenly Spanish-speaking country called America ? Add the propaganda of Russian-speaking pro-Putin media, eager to demonize the new masters of Kiev, and Crimea jumped into Russian hands, rightly afraid from a government which had actually passed laws, preventing them from speaking their usual language !

As for Putin being the mastermind of this blunder, how could he have influenced the new anti-Putin government into commiting it ? And if he had wanted Crimea from the start of the Ukraine crisis, how come he never ever thought of asking for Crimea, in negociations with Europe and Ukraine, prior to when that language law was considered and passed ?

Obviously, it was as big a surprise for him than for the rest of the world, that the new government would think of such an idiotic law ; and then, as he's not a fool, he welcomed with an open heart the frightened Crimea, frightened it a bit more, and made it its business to spead it back into Russia - which Crimea had left only in 1954.

That's almost ten years after the two Koreas were parted. And don't Americans and South Koreans want the Koreas to become one again, in the fullness of time ?
Posted by sissoucat on April 1, 2014 at 2:34 PM · Report this
doloresdaphne 24
you can view the english translation of the original article here;…
Posted by doloresdaphne on April 2, 2014 at 8:13 AM · Report this

Add a comment


Want great deals and a chance to win tickets to the best shows in Seattle? Join The Stranger Presents email list!

All contents © Index Newspapers, LLC
1535 11th Ave (Third Floor), Seattle, WA 98122
Contact | Privacy Policy | Terms of Use | Takedown Policy